roosnam1980
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Is Nvidia Damaging PC Gaming? feat. Gamers Nexus
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Schmendrick
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AMD also releasing 8GB GPUs and low stock cards way above MSRP.
This is what I don't get. Yes, it's inexcusable to release an 8GB GPU in 2025. But AMD has done WORSE things than NVIDIA in terms of its products.
a) They didn't release a high-end model
b) They said they wanted to target mid-tier audience, but their retail prices are WAY ABOVE the MSRP.
c) They ALSO released 8GB GPUs
d) They are STILL playing catch-up with FSR.
You can't say with a straight face that NVIDIA is killing PC gaming but not mention AMD at all. Sadly, this shows an agenda (even though both GN and HU have a point). Still, you can't point your finger at NVIDIA and not at AMD. At least NVIDIA was ahead of the curve and offered us DLSS.
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MarV0
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Don't be silly now.
Buggy Loop
Member
AMD is putting a brave face with fake MSRP launch to create buzz and accumulate stock for months by delaying launch so that you have a nice photo op in microcenter and make believe that there's a tsunami of cards available.
Yet still not present in steam hardware survey
Just like RDNA 2's "not paper launch" which the whole series took 2 years to accumulate 1.5% in the survey from ALL RDNA 2 cards.
Journalists are like this with AMD on the left and Nvidia on the right, for roughly the same level of lies, deceptions and price gouging.
I just hope Intel's foundry plan and GPU division make a home run soon for true mid range.
Laptop1991
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Yeah, they started it when raising prices to insane levels years ago, before all the nonesense they are currently doing, less gamers on PC rarther than more in the past when top cards were 300 to 400 quid brand new, not 1 to 2 grand isn't helping PC gaming, but they are one of the richest companies now, so to them, they are doing it right.
drotahorror
Member
This dude is bitter as fuck at Nvidia for a long time. It's kind of tiring.
kiphalfton
Member
People have this warped perception of AMD, mainly that they'll swoop in and save the day. Never happens.
With the 9070 XT it was a huge slap in the face; AMD pretending like they're extending this good will by releasing the 9079 XT for $600, only for barely any of the AIB partner cards to be priced as such.
FFS there have been barely any $600 cards dropped, between launch and now, and whenever anything does come in stock it has pretty exclusively been the cards that have a >30% markup.
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kiphalfton
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Everybody is sick of their shit.
Low VRAM, high prices, barely anything in stock, pitiful performance uptick between cards (let alone gens), etc.
owandeseis
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When they announced and released the new 5000 series i agree, the 5070's MSRP in Europe was 650€ and the cheapest you could find was like 680+ and they discountinued the 4070, which means people that bought a PC last year were getting better performance per price in the xx70 range which is ridiculous.
But since then they oficially lowered it's price, and also you can already find it for way less than it's MSRP, nowadays it's easy to find it at 560€, which is 120€ cheaper than just a few months ago, and finally a decent price and better performance per price than last year, so not that bad.
Same goes for the 5070ti which started at 890€ oficially and you couldn't buy it for under 1000€, and now i've seen it for under 800€ a few times already.
8GB cards are trash i agree there, an option for the GaaS players and that's it.
But since then they oficially lowered it's price, and also you can already find it for way less than it's MSRP, nowadays it's easy to find it at 560€, which is 120€ cheaper than just a few months ago, and finally a decent price and better performance per price than last year, so not that bad.
Same goes for the 5070ti which started at 890€ oficially and you couldn't buy it for under 1000€, and now i've seen it for under 800€ a few times already.
8GB cards are trash i agree there, an option for the GaaS players and that's it.
asdasdasdbb
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Isn't that more because of the Euro vs Dollar?
bbeach123
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AMD also releasing 8GB GPUs and low stock cards way above MSRP.
Why picking a side when you can hate both nvidia and amd.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yes they are. But on the other hand I could not be happier with my 4090.
owandeseis
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The MSRP thing, yes, tho sadly companies are fans of raising prices here when Eur is weak, but they forget to lower it back when it recovers.
But the most important thing is the stock i guess or the lack of demand, that's why even if the official price is 620€, you can buy it right now for 60€ less than that when a few months ago you couldn't even get it for the MSRP
drotahorror
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True, I just don't think anything is going to change. This is life now unfortunately. Atleast gamersnexus is making plenty of money off youtube crying about nvidia.
willothedog
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Steve so angry that he might lose access to Nvidia engineers, boo fucking hoo.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
What resolution does FrameBuffer X or Y or Z need to be to constitute playing at 4K considering alot alot alot of effects are calculated at lower than native resolution.
So if my DoF is under 4K but the frame is 4K and HUD is 4K and the particles are quarter res the fluid sims are calculated at half refresh quarter res and interpolated up am I still not playing at 4K?
Take a single frame apart and marvel at how much of that frame isnt 4K.
If the resolved image is 4K.....im playing at 4K cuz im not about to break down the whole frame till I find the lowest resolution to say thats the resolution im playing at.
NeverYouMind
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The only real grievance with latest line-up of NVIDIA cards is them dropping PhysX support. Everything else is supply and demand. Personally hoping that Intel's third generation of graphics cards hits it out of the park for mid-range builds. Currently, they are in line with older competitor models in most regards without the compatibility guarantees. AMD's price advantage for consumers has pretty much evaporated as well. If somebody was to build a PC today then it would be hard to recommend the current GPU lineup.
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diffusionx
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is he wrong?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
PhysX 32bit to exact.
64bit PhysX is still on.
Now to find 32bit games that use PhysX so i can be upset.
Bojji
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Most impressive physx games use 32 bit version - Batman AA/AC (I'm not sure about origins), Mirror's edge, Cryostasis...
When 64 bit version appeared physx support was almost dead.
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simpatico
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Critiquing Radeon is like being mean to an extremely disabled kid who is just barely learning how to walk. It's just bad form. We know they look goofy, we just don't say anything because we're decent people.
NeverYouMind
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That sounds nice. Imagine developers not relying on image reconstruction algorithms to base their image quality goals on. Imagine the heights that baked lighting could achieve without ray tracing crutch. A much better world.
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As almost always, it's not really the companies, it's the system, capitalism, stock prices, and supply and demand.
If there were more chips than we needed and wanted, these practices and prices wouldn't be accepted. But the world just wants more and more and more processing power. The demand isn't going away anytime soon.
If there were more chips than we needed and wanted, these practices and prices wouldn't be accepted. But the world just wants more and more and more processing power. The demand isn't going away anytime soon.
SpearHea.:D
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Seems like this dude is on AMD payroll. Its tiring now. Amd aint saint. I have noticed a thing, ppl dont talk about mfg and DLSS q in their benchmarks. As a reviewer you need to be unbiased and talk about all the pros and cons.
Simple test MFG and DLSS and show the benchmarks, show the fps latency and let ppl decide. upscaling and fg is the future which amd is trying to catch up with nvidia.
Rocking my 4070 and able to play pathtraced games like cyberpunk, alan wake 2, indiana jones which atm was not possible on amd. DLSS AND frame generation is an amazing tech by Nvidia. would def pick it over amd anyday
Simple test MFG and DLSS and show the benchmarks, show the fps latency and let ppl decide. upscaling and fg is the future which amd is trying to catch up with nvidia.
Rocking my 4070 and able to play pathtraced games like cyberpunk, alan wake 2, indiana jones which atm was not possible on amd. DLSS AND frame generation is an amazing tech by Nvidia. would def pick it over amd anyday
Topher
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No problem pointing out AMD for what they do that is shitty, but I really can't say that they are "worse" than Nvidia in anything you've listed. They are certainly not sending their CEO out to lie our faces like Nvidia did with the 5070=4090 nonsense and that is before even getting to the stuff that GN and HU are addressing (haven't watched all of it). Nvidia is definitely the greater evil of the two and it isn't even close, imo.
When you've got both of those guys hating you then you've got problems.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Bro I dont think a lot of members on this forum were even alive when Mirrors Edge and Cryostasis came out.....PPU drivers and support were actually a thing.
i feel for people who need to CPU brute force Arkham AA/AC games cuz they were great in their time and probably the only actual amazing implementation of PhysX........but most of the 32bit implementations you could easily live without having played those games.....no shade to Borderlands cuz its also one of the games I used to show off the difference between a peasant console and a PC.
Might as well be complaining about CellFactor too..........funny story I never got a PPU and by the time I actually found one for like 10 bucks I wasnt even fussed to actually play Cellfactor.
GymWolf
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I mean i guess, but i'm super happy with my 4080 so i can't really hate nvidia that much, they are the one pushing the envelope, not amd.
I guess people who bought the series 5000 has more reasons to be angry.
Bitstream
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Series 3000 people got left behind with framegen
GymWolf
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Didn't modders fund a way to enable that on series 3000?
Bitstream
Member
AMD was kind enough to make FSR frame gen open source, so with some mods you're still able to use frame gen on a 30 Series card, but that's all.
But yeah, if it wasn't for open source frame gen and the modding community, a subset of nvidias own customers would be screwed.
This is why it's important for there to be competition - in the end, gamers win.
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NeverYouMind
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PC gaming is fine. APUs can handle the games most people play.
bender
What time is it?
asdasdasdbb
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Gotta get dem clicks.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's the thing. Nvidia is really good at what they do. Their products speak for themselves so I don't get why they feel the need to do all this other bullshit. They could have been completely honest about the 5000 series and the things would still sell out.
And I don't blame anyone for continuing to buy Nvidia products. If I hadn't got a great deal on my 9070 XT then I probably would have ended up with a 5070 Ti. This isn't an industry where we have a plethora of options.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Remember Intel with CPUs?
Buggy Loop
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Or AMD, while I always always bought AMD CPUs all my life even when Intel was killing it, supporting Zen 1 and following iterations, as soon as they got their head above water in performance over Intel the prices went up.
None of these companies make products to be friends or be pro-consumer with anyone. You just pick whatever makes most sense at a given period of time and yes, maybe one day Nvidia will hit a wall but really, not with the way AMD is handling things right now.