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[YeulEmeralda]

Are they asking or demanding though? There's a notable difference.

Other than that, I get your gist.

Well if you as a reviewer rely on the tech given to you by AMD or Nvidia for your videos who is the boss?

It's a very unhealthy relationship and one reputable newspapers have always tried to avoid when they write about concerts or books.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Well if you as a reviewer rely on the tech given to you by AMD or Nvidia for your videos who is the boss?

So basically, it's only right if a manufacturer withdraws reviewer access to their products when said reviewer won't only ever say nice things about them and "play the game"?

 

[Mister Wolf]

Buy what you can afford.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yeah. Less for selling high priced items and more for selling intentionally gimped items for an entire generation so the next generation will have some headroom. That is a scummy practice considering they charge an absolute premium. Especially with vram. It slows down the pace of graphics improvement across the entire industry. Nvidia has PC gaming by the balls, always has. PC gaming is only as good as Nvidia allows it to be and they will keep stringing us along until real competition arises(never).

 

[Sanepar]

So because he can't get a test unit on his terms he's now trying to damage Nvidia.
even if some people are a fan of this idiot, this is just too sad for words and indefensible.

The only idiot is someone who is a fan of nvidia.

 

[Three]

So is AMD?

AMD claims most gamers “have no use for more than 8GB” of VRAM, after new Radeon GPU launch

Following the launch of the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT gaming GPU, Frank Azor claims that 8GB is enough graphics card memory for most gamers.

www.pcgamesn.com

 

[dDoc]

 

[kiphalfton]

This.

I'm hanging onto my 3080 for now. I thought I'd have a 5080 but fucking 16gb of VRAM can piss off lol. An absolute slap in the face.

I was expecting by now (after 2 generations) for something cheaper to have surpassed the RTX 3080.

Unfortunately, Nvidia sucks ass and price-to-performance has gone sideways the past two gens.

Good if you bought something years ago, bad if you're looking for value.

 

[FalconPunch]

Nvidia just offers bad value now. I picked up my 9070xt and a considerably cheaper price than the 5070ti.

 

[ozz ex machina]

Nvidia just offers bad value now. I picked up my 9070xt and a considerably cheaper price than the 5070ti.

I know but the software still isn't there for AMD for me to justify this.

 

[RivalGT]

I'm a big fan of GN and HWB, but they seem to be losing sight of reality.

I go to them to review the product, and that's not what I'm getting from them with their recent coverage of GPU's.

The drama with Nvidia should be its own thing, yet it's in product reviews now.

What's actually killing PC gaming is GPU prices, Nvidia,intel,AMD, and the partners are all to blame for this. Yet this gets to coverage from any tech outlets.

 

[ResilientBanana]

So is AMD?

AMD claims most gamers “have no use for more than 8GB” of VRAM, after new Radeon GPU launch

Following the launch of the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT gaming GPU, Frank Azor claims that 8GB is enough graphics card memory for most gamers.

www.pcgamesn.com

You keep thinking there's not a market for sub 8GB games. But there is. Not every game has high fidelity graphics, and there are a lot of GaaS games that don't push systems to their limits. There are also a ton of indie games that also do not push systems to their limits, and oddly enough, I play a lot of those. You are correct though, 8GB is not enough for games like Battlefied, Call of Duty, Doom: TDA, Horizon and so on. But not everyone is looking for AAA action or RPG games and some are satisfied with 1080p 30fps.

 

[Three]

You keep thinking there's not a market for sub 8GB games. But there is. Not every game has high fidelity graphics, and there are a lot of GaaS games that don't push systems to their limits. There are also a ton of indie games that also do not push systems to their limits, and oddly enough, I play a lot of those. You are correct though, 8GB is not enough for games like Battlefied, Call of Duty, Doom: TDA, Horizon and so on. But not everyone is looking for AAA action or RPG games and some are satisfied with 1080p 30fps.

Where did I say that? I just said that AMD thinks the same as Nvidia here. I don't agree with them because there is no point of crippling your system when trying to run games that require more RAM but it doesn't mean I don't think there is a market for sub 8GB games. A lot of people happily play smaller indie games on a crappy old laptop with less.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

So basically, it's only right if a manufacturer withdraws reviewer access to their products when said reviewer won't only ever say nice things about them and "play the game"?

There is no right to access. Or at least I'm not aware of a law that says Nvidia has to give out products.

Edit and yeah they do blacklist folks I'm sure.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Where did I say that? I just said that AMD thinks the same as Nvidia here. I don't agree with them because there is no point of crippling your system when trying to run games that require more RAM but it doesn't mean I don't think there is a market for sub 8GB games. A lot of people happily play smaller indie games on a crappy old laptop with less.

That's who those 8GB video cards are for

 

[peish]

That's who those 8GB video cards are for

8gb 5060 is great for small pc and light gaming

Thats a 140mm x 120mm 5060!

 

[simpatico]

Nvidia only stays in gaming being Jensen knows that's where he got his start and still has some ego about being on top. As an outsider it seems like if they ignored retail gaming, they could divert those chips and resources into something much more profitable. He's probably only invested in the xx90 card, which explains the secretions beneath it in the lineup. Frankly I'd like to see the BOM on a 5090 and a second-generation Titan. Scary thought, but what if the margin % is the same and commodity costs have really gotten that bad. That's before the large opportunity cost I outlined above. I hate the prices, but I fear they might be economically reasonable. Just by looking at the prices of other things I follow closely (cars, watches, high end EDC stuff). Aside from high end GPUs, gaming has really gotten it the softest out of all my interests. I hate the scaling junk but I get it. They only spare tiny little bits of the silicon for the gaming division. AI is a hungry mofo. Wonder when we'll see big profits from AI. Not for the tools to make AI, but for the product that runs on them.

EDIT: You can damn near get the 8GB cards for MSRP on Amazon and also choose whichever cooling solution you want. I'm glad the market isn't buying it.

EDIT 2: HOLD THE FUCK UP. The 5060 Ti is basically only 3-7% faster than my 6750xt? $500 folks. Outside of the Nvidia-RT games ofc.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Jensen is very interested in AI which is why he talked a lot about frame generation this generation.
Nvidia software stack can't be beat.

 

[Clear]

This is what I don't get. Yes, it's inexcusable to release an 8GB GPU in 2025. But AMD has done WORSE things than NVIDIA in terms of its products.

a) They didn't release a high-end model
b) They said they wanted to target mid-tier audience, but their retail prices are WAY ABOVE the MSRP.
c) They ALSO released 8GB GPUs
d) They are STILL playing catch-up with FSR.

Complains about prices while bemoaning there aren't even higher priced versions?
Blaming the MANUFACTURER for RETAIL prices being above MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDED RETAIL PRICES ?
Not everyone having industry leading proprietary tech solutions ?

 

[Scrawnton]

I don't think GPU manufacturers are damaging PC gaming. I think developers releasing unoptimized games that required XX80 and XX90 series cards to brute force is killing pc gaming.