Is Nvidia Damaging PC Gaming? feat. Gamers Nexus

Topher said:
No problem pointing out AMD for what they do that is shitty, but I really can't say that they are "worse" than Nvidia in anything you've listed. They are certainly not sending their CEO out to lie our faces like Nvidia did with the 5070=4090 nonsense and that is before even getting to the stuff that GN and HU are addressing (haven't watched all of it). Nvidia is definitely the greater evil of the two and it isn't even close, imo.
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Absolutely, that 5070 = 4090 was so laughable that everyone called it the moment Jensen said it. And yes, their attempts to make the GN (and previously HU) change their policy are the definition of stupidity. Let's also not forget that they removed the 32-bit CUDA support from the 5000 series GPUs (again, such a stupid decision). I believe we agree on all of these that are shitty decisions. No gamer will say otherwise.

At the same time, you can't overlook the other things that NVIDIA has done. DLSS was a game-changer (newsflash to our console friends, but 90% of their games are not running at Native 4K, so they shouldn't be commenting about "real 4K". And when a game uses Ray Tracing... yeah... enjoy that 720p-1080p image). I still remember when people were hating on DLSS Frame Gen (just because they couldn't use it), and they were hailing AFMF and FSR Frame Gen as something extraordinary (which were STILL WORSE than DLSS 4 Frame Gen).

Right now, the NVIDIA GPUs are also closer to their MSRP than the AMD GPUs. With the current prices, you have to be an idiot to buy an AMD GPU. There are no whys or buts here. That's the truth. In the video, Steve tries to justify this by saying that by the end of the year, things will get better for AMD. Well, by the end of the year, the NVIDIA GPU stock may be higher, and their GPU prices may drop even more. You should never use a crystal ball to justify something. You should always judge what's currently available, end of story.

PS: As for lies, AMD has been constantly saying that it would have stock and that it would maintain its MSRP prices. The reviews were also based on the fake MSRP. So, they DID lie to everyone's face. At the end of the day, both AMD and NVIDIA are corporations. They are not your friends. Both of them lie, and you should never become a fanboy. Always judge the products.
 
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john2gr said:
Absolutely, that 5070 = 4090 was so laughable that everyone called it the moment Jensen said it. And yes, their attempts to make the GN (and previously HU) change their policy are the definition of stupidity. Let's also not forget that they removed the 32-bit CUDA support from the 5000 series GPUs (again, such a stupid decision). I believe we agree on all of these that are shitty decisions. No gamer will say otherwise.

At the same time, you can't overlook the other things that NVIDIA has done. DLSS was a game-changer (newsflash to our console friends, but 90% of their games are not running at Native 4K, so they shouldn't be commenting about "real 4K". And when a game uses Ray Tracing... yeah... enjoy that 720p-1080p image). I still remember when people were hating on DLSS Frame Gen (just because they couldn't use it), and they were hailing AFMF and FSR Frame Gen as something extraordinary (which were STILL WORSE than DLSS 4 Frame Gen).

Right now, the NVIDIA GPUs are also closer to their MSRP than the AMD GPUs. With the current prices, you have to be an idiot to buy an AMD GPU. There are no whys or buts here. That's the truth. In the video, Steve tries to justify this by saying that by the end of the year, things will get better for AMD. Well, by the end of the year, the NVIDIA GPU stock may be higher, and their GPU prices may drop even more. You should never use a crystal ball to justify something. You should always judge what's currently available, end of story.
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Can't disagree with you. Only reason I have a 9070 XT is because I was able to get it for the two seconds that it was available for $600. Like I said to GymWolf GymWolf , I just think the shitty things Nvidia does is incredibly needless. Their products speak for themselves so let them.
 
Yes the chief innovator in PC gaming hardware is destroying PC gaming, comrade! But you know who's saving it? A poorly groomed midwit who rakes in ad revenue complaining about them. True hero right there.
 
Avid Reading Horse said:
Yes the chief innovator in PC gaming hardware is destroying PC gaming, comrade! But you know who's saving it? A poorly groomed midwit who rakes in ad revenue complaining about them. True hero right there.
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Reviewers should just shut up and let us consume whatever Nvidia wants us to. Gimme that 5060 with 4090 performance or whatever! Oh, the innovation!

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Will all this criticism ever bear any fruit? People keep complaining, companies keep on being shittier and scummier, while demand was never higher ironically, lol.
 
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I think Nvidia are also inviting a possible competitor from China into the desktop GPU market with these kinds of prices. And fucking hell, I sure hope that someone swoops in and fucks Nvidia's shit up.
 
This is such a dump take. Obviously corporations are not your friend and all of them try to make as much money as they can by releasing cut down products for the highest price possible, but what is it with the hate for nvidia specially?

If you don't like them, just remove them from the picture for a moment and think about what we would miss: T&L, programmable shaders, 3D vision, PhysiX, CUDA, VRR, realtime raytracing, ML upscaling and many more.

I think that nvidia is one of the very few companies that keep on innovating and pushing bounderies throughout their lifetime. I think they brought a lot of innovations to the gaming market. Would competitors have done the same years later? Maybe, it is hard to tell. Though the number of paradigm shifts they have led is remarkable. They have always been leading edge.
 
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peish said:
/but hey it is easier to play the bitchy bitching persona and get more viewers' outrage

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This chart doesn't factor in the cost of an early upgrade stemming from 8GB cards having a shorter useful life than 12GB+ cards. It only speaks to the here and now. We all know nVidia intentionally hamstrings the VRAM in their lower end cards because they want to encourage the expensive price jumps.

Down the bottom it's the opposite problem. You could upgrade several times and still not have paid 5090 money.
 
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These are some of the few channels big enough to tell nvidia to get fucked. I'm thankful because they could just shut up and go with the program if they wanted.
 
BossLackey said:
If you aren't bitter towards Nvidia to some degree, you're not paying attention.
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I'm glad im not paying too much attention then. To busy enjoying all these amazing games that keep coming out.
I've had zero issues with my 5090 and 5070 TI, except for the high price (which no one forced me to pay)

I totally get that Nvidia is doing lots of stuff that consumers don't like (just like most big companies.)
They're not our pals, and they just want as much money as possible (of course).
Good to see AMD giving them some competition this year, and I would love for them to keep it up and make the choice for my next GPU harder.
 
Hohenheim said:
I'm glad im not paying too much attention then. To busy enjoying all these amazing games that keep coming out.
I've had zero issues with my 5090 and 5070 TI, except for the high price (which no one forced me to pay)

I totally get that Nvidia is doing lots of stuff that consumers don't like (just like most big companies.)
They're not our pals, and they just want as much money as possible (of course).
Good to see AMD giving them some competition this year, and I would love for them to keep it up and make the choice for my next GPU harder.
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This is a Pollyanna take it I've every seen one.
 
peish said:


DF not playing the baiting game, and just say it straight
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One acts like someone interested to use feature sets and tell customers what they can get for their money, detailling what they can do with their GPU. You don't like feature set? You skip. But the information is there.

The other one is on a war against DLSS & RT since dawn of Turing and hasn't let go. Can't even do a proper review of features to save their lives, insisting on using 1080p FSR quality for RT suite benchmarks, no comparisons between scalers, when sometimes that's a performance loss for Nvidia cards because some titles DLSS 3 was performing better. Why would anyone with Nvidia want to know performance in FSR. Otherwise they go native and almost never DLSS.

Test MFG? Why not drama farm with "fake frames"?

Tech jesus is marshalling troops to war vs Nvidia and drama farming Nvidia hate for a long time now.

To me this is just too much fucking drama. Even when making a video on 9060XT specs, not benchmarks, specs, he cannot even not start off the video by throwing nvidia under the bus with snarky comments. Nvidia has nothing to do with 9060XT specs FFS.

I've been following GPU reviews since mid 90's from ALL kinds of sites, some of them long gone. Never seen such an unprofessional reviewer.

Much like Hardware unboxed drama circa 2020(?), if you don't like the guidelines because you can't stop dog piling on new tech because its not interesting for you, old man yelling at cloud style "mah rasterization!", then by all means buy the card on shelve like anyone else and make a review in due time. Actually they should all be doing that, independent and unbiased reviewers should mean they go out of their way to buy these GPUs on shelves with their own money with the same situation as we face to get one, fighting bots, MSRP jacked prices, delivery guy stealing your shit, etc. Big fucking boohoo that the company is giving you away multi thousands $ worth of GPUs and ask you to feature some of the tech on it.
 
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asdasdasdbb said:
Isn't that more because of the Euro vs Dollar?
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Euro prices include 20% tax. However in US we have been "liberated" with tariffs so don't see prices dropping any time soon.

But don't worry, we will have millions of people screwing in millions of screws to build iPhones (and GPUs) any minute now.
 
Nvidia isn't just ruining pc gaming.

They are single handedly ruining the entire industry.
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And this is from an Nvidia fanboy
 
Nvidia does suck for pricing now, and the 5000 series does offer minimal performance gain...but I'm more annoyed AMD isn't doing more to correct the market.

They keep making weird choices with their GPUs, instead of pricing them lower, and making them more available at their actual MSRP. The 9070XT if it was $500-550 available anywhere would force Nvidia to improve, and I hope AMD's upcoming budget card is better value.

Only good thing is graphics are hitting diminished returns, so high-end cards will erode their value over time, and less people will even need to buy them.
 
john2gr said:
Right now, the NVIDIA GPUs are also closer to their MSRP than the AMD GPUs. With the current prices, you have to be an idiot to buy an AMD GPU. There are no whys or buts here. That's the truth. In the video, Steve tries to justify this by saying that by the end of the year, things will get better for AMD. Well, by the end of the year, the NVIDIA GPU stock may be higher, and their GPU prices may drop even more. You should never use a crystal ball to justify something. You should always judge what's currently available, end of story.
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The cheapest 5080 I can find is $1400. Most are in the $1500-$1800 range. The MSRP of the 5080 is $1000. I don't know what AMD prices are but jsut in context this is absurd.
 
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kiphalfton said:
This is a Pollyanna take it I've every seen one.
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For sure!
Ain't got time to grief too much about the big corps being what they are when I have so much stuff to enjoy in this amazing hobby of ours.
If the time comes when I for some reason ain't happy with my Nvidia products, i'll buy something else for sure. Hopefully AMD wants to compete in the higher end at some point again too.

But i've been very satisfied with what i've got from their stuff for many years, and maybe I got lucky this time around (based on how many issues folks have with the 50-series. My cards have been perfect from day 1, so I can't really complain.
 
pretty obvious, if you take a look at the GPU prices, i can tell you PC gaming is getting even more expensive in the future.
The entry cost will be very high.
 
deeptech said:
Will all this criticism ever bear any fruit? People keep complaining, companies keep on being shittier and scummier, while demand was never higher ironically, lol.
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It's because AMD isn't even competing.

We can all hate Nvidia but where's the fucking AMD card that beats a 5080? Right they gave up in threw in the towel.
 
What's crazy is Nvidia has completely dictated the direction of gaming tech for the past decade.

AMD and Sony —> trying to play catch up with an ML upscaler, struggling with RT. Frame gen certainly coming.

Nintendo —> Using Nvidia tech

When DLSS 1.0 came around I never would've guessed it would completely kill pure raster.
 
so a corporation which effectively has a monopoly in the gaming market has been repeatedly pulling shady practices on both its customers AND its business partners. It has repeatedly screw customers with price gouging AND outright misrepresentations with its products. And when a youtuber points out how bad this is for everyone, somehow it's the youtuber's fault?

Keep sucking that jensen dick.....
 
Neither Nvidia nor AMD are ruining anything. Both are simply profiting off of the real issue, namely utterly stupid braindead customers who might complain for a bit but always cave and buy in the end.
Which company wouldn`t abuse that?
You can`t blame them for simply doing what all companies try to do, maximize profits. Companies aren`t your friend, they are money printing machines.
 
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newtypepilot said:
so a corporation which effectively has a monopoly in the gaming market has been repeatedly pulling shady practices on both its customers AND its business partners. It has repeatedly screw customers with price gouging AND outright misrepresentations with its products. And when a youtuber points out how bad this is for everyone, somehow it's the youtuber's fault?

Keep sucking that jensen dick.....
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So what does that say about the company that has virtually no shares but follows the same footsteps in price gouging as the monopoly when the opportunity is wide open to come in and sweep it?

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The situation is stupid on all sides
 
Durin said:
Nvidia does suck for pricing now, and the 5000 series does offer minimal performance gain...but I'm more annoyed AMD isn't doing more to correct the market.
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Because AMD wants to make money too.

Edgelord79 said:
Isn't AMD the manufacturer though? Aren't they the ones that set the prices?
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No. NV (used to?) sell the Founders Edition but doesn't really anymore? Just only sell to OEMs.

AMD doesn't do anything similar.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
Because AMD wants to make money too.
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They're only going to make money by undercutting Nvidia's pricing, and grow their market share by offering greater value. At the non-MSRP prices on the 9070XT, I don't think it's going to move the needle much.
 
Tech Jesus is this close to jumping the shark. He should stick to reviewing products, proselytizing on corporations isn't really what he's good at and once you get into politics there is no escape
 
Durin said:
Nvidia does suck for pricing now, and the 5000 series does offer minimal performance gain...but I'm more annoyed AMD isn't doing more to correct the market.

They keep making weird choices with their GPUs, instead of pricing them lower, and making them more available at their actual MSRP. The 9070XT if it was $500-550 available anywhere would force Nvidia to improve, and I hope AMD's upcoming budget card is better value.

Only good thing is graphics are hitting diminished returns, so high-end cards will erode their value over time, and less people will even need to buy them.
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Thing is, AMD is not doing more to correct the market, because they can't. They are actually pricing their cards as low as possible, it's just that their product can't compete with Nvidia's. Things are certainly improving with the 9000 series, but unfortunately it's still not enough. Look at Intel, taking an absolute bath on a giant chip for the 580 to build marketshare. AMD doesn't have margins, and can't make it up with volume. There is no easy way out for them.

That is not excusing Nvidia by any means. They are taking full advantage of their lead, just like Intel abused their customers with paltry CPU improvements during the 2010s - right up until Zen 2 came around.
 
diffusionx said:
The cheapest 5080 I can find is $1400. Most are in the $1500-$1800 range. The MSRP of the 5080 is $1000. I don't know what AMD prices are but jsut in context this is absurd.
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I was talking about the mid-tier GPUs. The 5070Ti can be purchased for 850 euros in Greece. Meanwhile, the cheapest 9070XT model is at 770 euros.
 
SpearHea.:D said:
Seems like this dude is on AMD payroll. Its tiring now. Amd aint saint. I have noticed a thing, ppl dont talk about mfg and DLSS q in their benchmarks. As a reviewer you need to be unbiased and talk about all the pros and cons.

Simple test MFG and DLSS and show the benchmarks, show the fps latency and let ppl decide. upscaling and fg is the future which amd is trying to catch up with nvidia.

Rocking my 4070 and able to play pathtraced games like cyberpunk, alan wake 2, indiana jones which atm was not possible on amd. DLSS AND frame generation is an amazing tech by Nvidia. would def pick it over amd anyday
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I think the difference is companies using clearly Nvidia based RT Apis. Notice with things like RE: Engine or in general titles with RT that aren't imbedded with Nvidia tech the differences disappear.

Saying this as a 4080 owner, AMD is dropping the ball too with pricing and MSRP shit straight from Nvidia don't get it twisted.
 
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Buggy Loop said:
One acts like someone interested to use feature sets and tell customers what they can get for their money, detailling what they can do with their GPU. You don't like feature set? You skip. But the information is there.

The other one is on a war against DLSS & RT since dawn of Turing and hasn't let go. Can't even do a proper review of features to save their lives, insisting on using 1080p FSR quality for RT suite benchmarks, no comparisons between scalers, when sometimes that's a performance loss for Nvidia cards because some titles DLSS 3 was performing better. Why would anyone with Nvidia want to know performance in FSR. Otherwise they go native and almost never DLSS.

Test MFG? Why not drama farm with "fake frames"?

Tech jesus is marshalling troops to war vs Nvidia and drama farming Nvidia hate for a long time now.

To me this is just too much fucking drama. Even when making a video on 9060XT specs, not benchmarks, specs, he cannot even not start off the video by throwing nvidia under the bus with snarky comments. Nvidia has nothing to do with 9060XT specs FFS.

I've been following GPU reviews since mid 90's from ALL kinds of sites, some of them long gone. Never seen such an unprofessional reviewer.

Much like Hardware unboxed drama circa 2020(?), if you don't like the guidelines because you can't stop dog piling on new tech because its not interesting for you, old man yelling at cloud style "mah rasterization!", then by all means buy the card on shelve like anyone else and make a review in due time. Actually they should all be doing that, independent and unbiased reviewers should mean they go out of their way to buy these GPUs on shelves with their own money with the same situation as we face to get one, fighting bots, MSRP jacked prices, delivery guy stealing your shit, etc. Big fucking boohoo that the company is giving you away multi thousands $ worth of GPUs and ask you to feature some of the tech on it.
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Are they asking or demanding though? There's a notable difference.

Other than that, I get your gist.
 
Buggy Loop said:
One acts like someone interested to use feature sets and tell customers what they can get for their money, detailling what they can do with their GPU. You don't like feature set? You skip. But the information is there.

The other one is on a war against DLSS & RT since dawn of Turing and hasn't let go. Can't even do a proper review of features to save their lives, insisting on using 1080p FSR quality for RT suite benchmarks, no comparisons between scalers, when sometimes that's a performance loss for Nvidia cards because some titles DLSS 3 was performing better. Why would anyone with Nvidia want to know performance in FSR. Otherwise they go native and almost never DLSS.

Test MFG? Why not drama farm with "fake frames"?

Tech jesus is marshalling troops to war vs Nvidia and drama farming Nvidia hate for a long time now.

To me this is just too much fucking drama. Even when making a video on 9060XT specs, not benchmarks, specs, he cannot even not start off the video by throwing nvidia under the bus with snarky comments. Nvidia has nothing to do with 9060XT specs FFS.

I've been following GPU reviews since mid 90's from ALL kinds of sites, some of them long gone. Never seen such an unprofessional reviewer.

Much like Hardware unboxed drama circa 2020(?), if you don't like the guidelines because you can't stop dog piling on new tech because its not interesting for you, old man yelling at cloud style "mah rasterization!", then by all means buy the card on shelve like anyone else and make a review in due time. Actually they should all be doing that, independent and unbiased reviewers should mean they go out of their way to buy these GPUs on shelves with their own money with the same situation as we face to get one, fighting bots, MSRP jacked prices, delivery guy stealing your shit, etc. Big fucking boohoo that the company is giving you away multi thousands $ worth of GPUs and ask you to feature some of the tech on it.
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Thank you buggy, this is exactly the point i was trying to make in a previous thread about this guy, you wrote it down perfectly.
I'm glad some people understand what the real issue is here.
 
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