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PS2 had a MASSIVE amount of exclusive software. PS5 has like 6 games that dont exist on other platforms.. so no
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Is PS5 the second coming of PS2?
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PS2 had a MASSIVE amount of exclusive software. PS5 has like 6 games that dont exist on other platforms.. so no
Romulus
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Doubt it because we enjoyed great multiplatforms back then yes, but the difference is the PS5 is the worst playstation ever for 1st party games vs arguably the best ever back with PS2. Best ever period many will argue, PlayStation console or not.
It's just a very, very different situation, basically the worst PlayStation for exclusives vs the best of all time.
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Probably would be considered a hate crime against Microsoft cock gobblers worldwide, due to being an endangered species verging on extinct.I guess you get a pass this time because things can't get much worse for Xbox Consoles
It actually doesn't need a surge to become PlayStation's second best selling console 2 more years at current pace will take it above PS4
Katatonic
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The "fans" have a large part to play in it as well
Baki
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Sony having trouble reducing price of PS5, made even worse by ram crisis. That will probably cut the legs of the console in terms of outselling PS4.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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In terms of numbers sold maybe if they can bring the price down. This gen is going to last for a very long time for most people especially with the horrible price of components.
StereoVsn
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Ahh, from that perspective yeah, I agree. It should overtake PS4 pretty comfortably since OS4 production got cut short due to Covid.
PS5 should continue selling post PS6 release unless Sony does proceed with PS6 Lite plan (non handheld).
You do understand how close PS5 is to PS4 lifetime sales at the moment right?
As we speak PS5 I as over 90 million sold & most likely will be over 100 million when GTAVI release . Someone would have to surprise us with a new competing console at about $299 to stop PS5 from selling the other 18 million after GTA6 unless Sony cut production immediately afterwards.
Baki
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I do, only 2m units behind. Its phenomenal how many units they've sold with a base price of 500 and now 550. However, with rumors of the Canis SOC, and the new SIE CEO pushing to launch the Japan only 55,000 yen PS5, I'm convinced that Sony will release a PSTV with Canis SOC to replace the PS5 during PS6 launch. If that happens, Sony will reduce shipments in 2027, so that they don't end up with inventory that needs to be cleared with price cuts, when they have a system that has better performance at 399-299.
That said, 22 months is plenty of time to outsell the PS4. Especially with GTA VI still scheduled for release. Especially if they continue regular price promotions on the PS5. It all depends on the ram situation.
EDIT: Just did the math, think you're right. In terms of PS4, if we map the FY, this is what Sony has to keep pace / outpace until PS6 launch in 2027.
FY18: 17.8M PS4 / FY25: Projected to sell 15M PS5 (think they'll overperform at get to 16M, but that mean gap becomes ~4M)
FY19: 13.6M PS4 / FY26: ??? (would need to close the gap by 4M here to keep pace and sell 17.6M PS5)
FY20: 5.7M PS4 / FY27: PS6 launch year (all depends on how they did for GTA VI launch year)
Over the next 2 FY can Sony sell 23.3-24M PS5 consoles. That's 6 quarters before PS6 launch. It's doable with GTA VI, and if Sony can do big price promotions during the holidays.
If PS6 costs $599, and Sony doesn't sell a PS6 Lite, and if Sony can afford to sell a PS5 for $399. I can see a decent post-PS6 sales horizon for PS5. It all depends on how much they can cut production costs of PS5. Otherwise, there's no value in selling a $549/$499 PS5 when there's a $599 PS6.
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PatientGamer
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The PS2 lives in an era that will almost certainly never be repeated. The industry was for the most part still in its infancy, developer relations wasn't tied up in paid-for exclusive contractual agreements; the other platforms were simply too new / had no install base to rely on.
The PS5 is arguably the closest to the PS2 in terms of market conditions to hit similar levels of success regardless of whether PC keyboard warriors and fanboys of dead systems think it deserves so or not.
PS5 is receiving content from basically every studio now, even their competitors are releasing their content on the platform.
GTA 6 isn't even out yet.
Then there's the inevitable PS5 Superslim to release at an even cheaper price point.
Not to mention the following console exclusives on their way:
- Wolverine
- Saros
- Intergalatic
- Nioh 3
- Phantom Blade Zero
I know we hate this generation (personally I have great games to play, but I get the rhetoric), but Sony's in the strongest position they've ever been in.
This console sells 130 million units minimum and that's before the PS6 release in November 2027. Any delay to this release date, will get it even closer to the 160 million target.
The PS5 is arguably the closest to the PS2 in terms of market conditions to hit similar levels of success regardless of whether PC keyboard warriors and fanboys of dead systems think it deserves so or not.
PS5 is receiving content from basically every studio now, even their competitors are releasing their content on the platform.
GTA 6 isn't even out yet.
Then there's the inevitable PS5 Superslim to release at an even cheaper price point.
Not to mention the following console exclusives on their way:
- Wolverine
- Saros
- Intergalatic
- Nioh 3
- Phantom Blade Zero
I know we hate this generation (personally I have great games to play, but I get the rhetoric), but Sony's in the strongest position they've ever been in.
This console sells 130 million units minimum and that's before the PS6 release in November 2027. Any delay to this release date, will get it even closer to the 160 million target.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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No it didn't. Microsoft tards killed Xbox.
There is also the fighting stick & Marvel fighting game, they might not sell so much But I think it could open a different market for PlayStation with Arcade like games .
Durin
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Pushing out a competitor is about the only loose connection they have.
If the PS5 was like the PS2, I'd have more games on it. The sheer genre variety of cool stuff coming out every year on PS2 when big titles didn't take 5+ years to make, can't be replicated unless the companies choose to drop their budgets, and third-party devs willingly choose to only develop for Playstation like they did on PS2.
The PS5 is also still trying to catch up to the PS2, in an era where far more total people are playing games, and that's because there are just more options splitting the audience, with games that can be made to run on all those platforms more easily.
If the PS5 was like the PS2, I'd have more games on it. The sheer genre variety of cool stuff coming out every year on PS2 when big titles didn't take 5+ years to make, can't be replicated unless the companies choose to drop their budgets, and third-party devs willingly choose to only develop for Playstation like they did on PS2.
The PS5 is also still trying to catch up to the PS2, in an era where far more total people are playing games, and that's because there are just more options splitting the audience, with games that can be made to run on all those platforms more easily.
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Wulfer
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You sure about that? Because I could have sworn there was a thread full of people celebrating the Power King & Xbox buying Activision a few years ago.
PS5 killed Xbox Series
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Jfc your threads are getting progressively stupider each week
Over under until he loses his thread making privileges?
Over under until he loses his thread making privileges?
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It's pretty much the same story in terms of a major competitor imploding and PlayStation profiting from it.
In reality neither Dreamcast nor Xbox were actually killed by Sony but by the incompetence of the respective platform holders, Microsoft's failure is far more spectacular given all their plans to outspend competitors using gamepass and publishers acquisitions and how all that turned against the Xbox platform killing it in the process.
PS5 is definitely in the position to have unprecedented developers support, I mean at this point only Nintendo games are missing, PS5 will get Halo which is something that even PS2 couldn't claim and in general the feeling is that PS5 has another full 5 years of life with full support from all publishers given how cross gen will be even more a thing with PS6.
In reality neither Dreamcast nor Xbox were actually killed by Sony but by the incompetence of the respective platform holders, Microsoft's failure is far more spectacular given all their plans to outspend competitors using gamepass and publishers acquisitions and how all that turned against the Xbox platform killing it in the process.
PS5 is definitely in the position to have unprecedented developers support, I mean at this point only Nintendo games are missing, PS5 will get Halo which is something that even PS2 couldn't claim and in general the feeling is that PS5 has another full 5 years of life with full support from all publishers given how cross gen will be even more a thing with PS6.
Wilhelm_85
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Not even the second coming of the PS4.
Xaeroxcore666
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The PS2´s 2001 line up alone destroys still all PS5 library so far, which it´s still, after 5 years, mostly cross-gen upgraded PS4 stuff and exclusives which also are being released on PC..Ohh don´t forget the DEI plagued games...I´m a PS5 owner, but you really can´t make such a wack comparison. Also, i love my PS2, but since Dreamcast it´s my #1 console from all-time, it´s not like i´m exactly a PS2 fanboy, but facts are facts.
Artificial Heart
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Not even close.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Steam is the second coming of PS2, if anything.
I mean if you only care about sales (not sure why you would), sure, PS5 maybe could be claimed as that. Tho I think Switch 2 has a better shot at the claim considering how well the first sold and how strong the new one is selling.
But if we're talking providing a perfect balance of AAA, AA and indie, and a place for the latter two to thrive well beyond other platforms, then no, PS5 ain't no PS2 dude. Hench namedropping Steam in my reply.
Thing tho is PS2's big exclusives were also genuine exclusives on Day 1; they may've came to Xbox later such as GTA3 & VC, but they weren't on PC Day 1 so the only place to play those games for 1-2 years (often times more) was PS2 exclusively.
As well, Sony's own games WERE actual exclusives during that era. R&C, J&D, Sly Cooper, GOW, GT, Mark of Kri, Parappa 2, Mr. Mosquito, Getaway 1 & 2, SOCOM, Syphon Filter....if you wanted to play any of those, you could only play them on a PS2. No Xbox, no GameCube, no PC.
PS5 absolutely has less exclusive than PS2, not even debatable IMO on that, if we are sticking to launch-aligned timelines (and ignoring that, sure, many PS2 games have since been ported to newer consoles well after its commercial relevance). Even among SIE's own titles, the only games still exclusive are Destruction All-Stars (dead game), Bloodborne, Tomorrow Children (irrelevant), Dreams (dead), Demon's Souls, GT7, and Astrobot. Just focusing on 2020-onward that list drops to simply Demon's Souls, Destruction All-Stars, GT7, and Astro Bot. That's less games than fingers on most people's hand.
Everything else this gen has either already been ported to PC and/or other consoles, or were Day 1 on PC (GAAS, some remakes), or other consoles (i.e LEGO Horizon on Switch).
This isn't true. If anything, Sony's 1P output actually picked up near the end of PS4, certainly by the midway point. GOW 2018, Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU2, Demon's Souls Remake and Ghosts of Tsushima were all within a span of just two years! A taste began with Second Son & Bloodborne, but after UC4 it was a regular stream of 1P AAA games from them. So I have no idea where you're getting them relying on 3P near the end similar to MS with 360.
If anything, Sony were more reliant on 3P at the start of PS4, because they spent so much in the last years of PS3 with big 1P that they had no time to have new 1P AAA ready for PS4's launch. I still very much remember them hyping up Ultra Street Fighter IV's PS4 port like it was a major deal, when it was simply a port of the 360/PS3 game with maybe a bit more new features and higher resolution. No Man's Sky is another example of that.
The one thing I do think SIE messed up with near the PS4's last years tho was cutting out the AA/smaller 1P releases from internal studios. Because as we see now, it's lead to many of their studios only having enough manpower in the pipelines for 1 AAA game maybe every 4-5 years if lucky; more like 6-7 given ballooning complexity of game dev and costs. Plus SIE probably wanting to wait until the install base is bigger before pumping big money into certain 1P AAA games in the first place.
I mean if you only care about sales (not sure why you would), sure, PS5 maybe could be claimed as that. Tho I think Switch 2 has a better shot at the claim considering how well the first sold and how strong the new one is selling.
But if we're talking providing a perfect balance of AAA, AA and indie, and a place for the latter two to thrive well beyond other platforms, then no, PS5 ain't no PS2 dude. Hench namedropping Steam in my reply.
Thing tho is PS2's big exclusives were also genuine exclusives on Day 1; they may've came to Xbox later such as GTA3 & VC, but they weren't on PC Day 1 so the only place to play those games for 1-2 years (often times more) was PS2 exclusively.
As well, Sony's own games WERE actual exclusives during that era. R&C, J&D, Sly Cooper, GOW, GT, Mark of Kri, Parappa 2, Mr. Mosquito, Getaway 1 & 2, SOCOM, Syphon Filter....if you wanted to play any of those, you could only play them on a PS2. No Xbox, no GameCube, no PC.
PS5 absolutely has less exclusive than PS2, not even debatable IMO on that, if we are sticking to launch-aligned timelines (and ignoring that, sure, many PS2 games have since been ported to newer consoles well after its commercial relevance). Even among SIE's own titles, the only games still exclusive are Destruction All-Stars (dead game), Bloodborne, Tomorrow Children (irrelevant), Dreams (dead), Demon's Souls, GT7, and Astrobot. Just focusing on 2020-onward that list drops to simply Demon's Souls, Destruction All-Stars, GT7, and Astro Bot. That's less games than fingers on most people's hand.
Everything else this gen has either already been ported to PC and/or other consoles, or were Day 1 on PC (GAAS, some remakes), or other consoles (i.e LEGO Horizon on Switch).
This isn't true. If anything, Sony's 1P output actually picked up near the end of PS4, certainly by the midway point. GOW 2018, Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU2, Demon's Souls Remake and Ghosts of Tsushima were all within a span of just two years! A taste began with Second Son & Bloodborne, but after UC4 it was a regular stream of 1P AAA games from them. So I have no idea where you're getting them relying on 3P near the end similar to MS with 360.
If anything, Sony were more reliant on 3P at the start of PS4, because they spent so much in the last years of PS3 with big 1P that they had no time to have new 1P AAA ready for PS4's launch. I still very much remember them hyping up Ultra Street Fighter IV's PS4 port like it was a major deal, when it was simply a port of the 360/PS3 game with maybe a bit more new features and higher resolution. No Man's Sky is another example of that.
The one thing I do think SIE messed up with near the PS4's last years tho was cutting out the AA/smaller 1P releases from internal studios. Because as we see now, it's lead to many of their studios only having enough manpower in the pipelines for 1 AAA game maybe every 4-5 years if lucky; more like 6-7 given ballooning complexity of game dev and costs. Plus SIE probably wanting to wait until the install base is bigger before pumping big money into certain 1P AAA games in the first place.
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ReyBrujo
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But there is no PS4 games that's only playable on PS4 because of PS5 & we also have remakes & Enhanced PS1 & PS2 games playable on PS5 + Xbox games now.
Why worry about if the game is playable on other devices as long as it's playable on the device you own?
Is this for adamsapple and MicroSlop?Sigh
Guess I gotta use this twice in one day:
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
It's for whoever you want but in this case the OP specifically.
Gobbling goo as if the ps5 with its lack of games is anywhere on the level of greatness as the ps2. Sales do not equate to quality. Especially if all these ps5s do is play GTa online , Minecraft, fifa, CoD, and Roblox.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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Why the fresh hell would you say this? The two's libraries aren't even remotely comparable.
Most of the best selling PS2 games can be played on PS5 with better visuals besides Gran Turismo 3 & 4 . I'm sure Dragon Quest VIII will also come after Dragon Quest VII HD
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Rhazer Fusion
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As far as sales numbers go, maybe. Exclusives and game library? Not even close imo. I think Microsoft contributed to the XBOX's demise more than Sony did and XBox Series S and X actually started out pretty strong.
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Give it time, most of you ignore the PS2 classics that are enhanced on PS5 + the remakes & collections . Then there is MS bringing Xbox games over .
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
And? So can my PC.Most of the best selling PS2 games can be played on PS5 with better visuals besides Gran Turismo 3 & 4 . I'm sure Dragon Quest VIII will also come after Dragon Quest VII HD
As of March 31, 2012, a total of 1.537 billion copies of PlayStation 2 software had been shipped worldwide.[1]
List of best-selling PlayStation 2 video games - Wikipedia
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The amount of value my ps5 has added to greatest games of all time is less than ps4,ps3,ps2, and Ps1.
It has the shittiest amount of titles you can't play anywhere else.
Again why does it matter that you can play it elsewhere as long as it's playable on the device you own?
awwr999999
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Add in the PS1 exclusives that run on PS2 and that number gets a lot bigger.
awwr999999
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PS2 has unique HW and the exclusives make the best use of it.
AGRacing
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Look I see what you're trying to say BUT…
I hate this thread.
I hate it because I love the PS2.
I hate it because I love the Dreamcast.
But most of all—I hate it because the Xbox Series consoles, the joyless and soulless pieces of shit that they are, being beaten by Sony's most "phoned-in" console generation by a fucking mile doesn't even begin to evoke the glory days of the early 2000s.
I hate this thread.
I hate it because I love the PS2.
I hate it because I love the Dreamcast.
But most of all—I hate it because the Xbox Series consoles, the joyless and soulless pieces of shit that they are, being beaten by Sony's most "phoned-in" console generation by a fucking mile doesn't even begin to evoke the glory days of the early 2000s.
AGRacing
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Bingo.
PS5 turned out to be Star Wars after you took away the restraints of low budget movie making and gave George Lucas unlimited CG capabilities.
We went from "The Empire Strikes Back" to Jar Jar fumbling around on fake-ass grass with glowing basketballs in only 3 generations.
Werewolf Jones
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PS2 had games.
ZehDon
Member
If you mean sales? Then no.
If you mean in terms of cultural impact and influence? Then no.
But if you mean in terms of the sheer quality of its games, the breadth of its releases, the inventiveness of developers with its hardware, and the undisputed scope of experiences that it's brought to tens of millions of people around the world? Then also no.
If you mean in terms of cultural impact and influence? Then no.
But if you mean in terms of the sheer quality of its games, the breadth of its releases, the inventiveness of developers with its hardware, and the undisputed scope of experiences that it's brought to tens of millions of people around the world? Then also no.
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A+ use of AILook I see what you're trying to say BUT…
I hate this thread.
I hate it because I love the PS2.
I hate it because I love the Dreamcast.
But most of all—I hate it because the Xbox Series consoles, the joyless and soulless pieces of shit that they are, being beaten by Sony's most "phoned-in" console generation by a fucking mile doesn't even begin to evoke the glory days of the early 2000s.
But listen
As we speak Xbox is looking for games in its catalog that will sell well on PS5 .
PlayStation is looking for PS1, PS2 , PSP games that will keep people subscribed to PlayStation+ Premium
Sega just tried to go head to head with Mario Kart & have a new Virtual Fighter coming
Everyone is releasing remakes , remasters & collections
PlayStation finally has a good fighting game coming
There isn't a PS2 shooter that can go toe to toe with Helldivers 2 & Halo ( I loved Timespliters though & just bought it for $2 for PS5 in the middle of this post because it's on sale)
What PS2 game can you put up against the Ghost of series?
PS5 got Ninja Gaiden PS2 didn't
S0ULZB0URNE
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Didn't really like PS2 and don't care for Sony's exclusives so....
Maybe?
Maybe?