Is San Franscisco really having feces problem?
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HoodWinked
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the mental gymnastics they probably use to rationalize this is to say that the homeless are providing a service by leaving feces everywhere this allows the public workers to be employed.
Except that this isn't true at all.
It's amazing that you are reaching this far to blame Republicans for problems in San Francisco
I saw it on the news. I moved before the election ended but Ms Breed was the frontrunner.
Here is the sad thing. Out of the viable candidates she is considered to be mean and is a "fascist". I'm not even joking
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Later Alligator
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i was in san fran in January for work, had never been prior to that
man, what a shit hole
man, what a shit hole
Super Mario
Banned
Not exclusive, but more prevalent
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
So you have any cited stats that suggest such a thing? And that it's a direct result of "liberalism"?
Super Mario
Banned
You're free to look it up and disprove it wrong if you want to try. Overall, the biggest area a Liberal city is more likely to "win" is college education.
Liberal policies overall don't help society. You can only throw so much money and resources at "victims" before it becomes a toilet of crime, taxes, etc.
cpp_is_king
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Or in the case of San Francisco, just a toilet.
DeepEnigma
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Revolutionary
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This shot is horrifying:
I'd be furious if my kid's daycare was walking them by needles every day.
I'd be furious if my kid's daycare was walking them by needles every day.
cpp_is_king
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That shot isn't too bad, doesn't even have any used condoms
TheSadRanger
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I watched the video and it said the mayor planned to alleviate the issue with a "center so people can shoot up indoors rather than on the street"
What sort of fucking logic is this shit
What sort of fucking logic is this shit
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
It came out a little more harsh than intended. It was just meant to be a response to morons who blame the homeless problem on liberal policies.
Now, I'm definitely not sympathetic to this new breed of homeless (young, physically able, with friends and phones, just choosing not to work), who come to NYC for the benefits, but I think they make up a small segment of the homeless population.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I have a feeling this is directly correlated to the homeless issue.
Decentralize the homeless people would spread the burden.
If they make the place super comfortable to be homeless then the problem will get much worse.
Decentralize the homeless people would spread the burden.
If they make the place super comfortable to be homeless then the problem will get much worse.
TrainedRage
Banned
When gentrification fails: The City
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
America had a homelessness issue everywhere I went.
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cpp_is_king
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Sure, but not on the level of San Francisco. If you're comparing SF to pretty much anywhere else, then I suspect you haven't been to SF (caveat: I haven't been to DC, dunno how bad it is there)
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
SF was definitely the worst of the places I've been to, in terms of density.
My point, however, is that whilst everyone can sit back and just take potshots at SF, the reality is that America in general has a homelessness problem that far outstrips every other country in the West. It's a problem that needs to be addressed at all levels of government as all levels of government have jurisdiction over aspects which contribute to the issue.
And the focus shouldn't just be on addressing the visibility of the issue, but actually taking steps to prevent and resolve the issue.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I'd like to know what steps you think could solve the issue other than free home handouts.
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
I have no expertise in addressing homelessness but I imagine these are the areas that would warrant additional focus:
- A functioning health system - especially Mental Health programs, drug programs, family violence programs
- Better linkages to communities that are risk of homelessness - e.g. black and LGBTQ community centres
- Fixing land supply and zoning laws
- investment in public housing
- More homeless shelters, with stronger linkages to homelessness support services
- Trying to get people off the street as quickly as possible before they become chronically homeless
- Some way to prevent large clusters of homelessness (mental illness and poverty are contagious)
- Public servants that actually help homelessness programs to work together better and ensure that national and state programs are adapted for local conditions
- A recognition that homeless people need access to multiple types of help at once, and are unlikely to be able to navigate government services themselves
- strong performance frameworks for homelessness services providers who receive government funds to ensure they are spent in the areas that are needed
- Fiscal reforms that help ensure that the costs of homelessness are not totally born by the places homeless people end up.
- Massive fines for any county or state that attempts to push their homelessness problem onto another
- A focus on people leaving jails, hospitals, foster care who are disproportionately at risk of homelessness
- Job training for people who are placed in housing to hep stop them from slipping back into homelessness
Also, I'm not even going to address your "free handout" comment.
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dropkick!
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You have to... You already said many of these are already being focused on... some of your points can be interpreted as giving homeless free stuff...
The problem with free stuff is that homeless people will be too comfortable with getting free stuff that they won't have the self reflective time to even think that they need to better themselves. It even goes to a point where some of these people are so entitled that they even get mad at you for not giving them money (for drugs), or buying the wrong thing for them (that you are giving for free).
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
No i don't. It's a stupid statement. This is a chronic welfare problem. How else will you solve it? Can you give me the non "free handout" solution?
And just because something is being focused on doesn't mean it is being done well.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Good thing I went to college so I can pay for all this.
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
I'd like to know what steps you think could solve the issue other than free home handouts.
Sakura Doritos
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There are steps being taken to do just that. It is rooted in health care costs rising in areas because of homeless abusing the ERs. Companies are getting in on it because it can lower their employees health care costs in turn making employment cheaper for them. Being safe from exposure, having hot and cold water and a toilet that isn't the city is a big health boon. I am not sure how they will tackle meals.
As long as Tech companies are leading the charge and not tax dollars I am completely fine with that. And if we re-direct ill spent tax dollars to just sure up the programs I think people would be ok in general.
cpp_is_king
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What did New York do? Because they are the best example of a city cleaning up its homeless problem in recent history
dropkick!
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1. Stop giving handouts
2. Stop taxing the hell out of people, driving the cost of living up to a point of being an unlivable craphole
3. Stop putting too much red tape bureaucracy that prevents people to own stuff and start businesses
In short, give people the CHOICE to move up. Have them be free to choose their pathway. Economy and Social conditions will improve over time. If some people still decide to not grab opportunities presented to them, you won't change them...
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
I like it.
If I'm complicit being homeless and the city is handing me free money food and shelter when I don't feel like being on the street what insentive do I have to get my shot together.
Fucking the working class will not fix this...
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The onus is on the person making a claim to present evidence of its validity.
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dropkick!
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Is this thread topic pretty much the evidence of this?
Rentahamster
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The evidence is that SF is a literal shit hole. The argument is that it is a shit hole specifically because of liberal policies and that it is an exclusive and inevitable consequence of liberal policy - that it is not merely a coincidental correlation.
Those are two different things.
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dropkick!
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Umm... I dunno where to start...
1. The whole state of California is in bad shape... not just San Francisco... Los Angeles also has just as massive homelessness problem... that is caused by gentrification via...
2. High taxation and suffocating rules. Again, you tax your citizens to death, you increase the cost of living to a point that its either you are rich google exec or hollywood actor, or someone who barely living off. Adding regulations on top of regulations also make it so only the rich who can afford lawyers can navigate through the bureaucracy muck. It wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for...
3. Welfare State. You encourage people to stop being in the workforce because they will lose their welfare. Now you have shrinking pool of contributors and rely on federal money and taxing your constituents some more. Not to mention disgruntled workers that pay off your taxes just to get shitted on by your government. It is much worse when you know that...
4. Illegals can take welfare money... and Sanctuary State BS just rubbed people off much freaking more. They also bring their crime and human trafficking along with them... Safety becomes an issue then you realized...
5. Cops are pretty much tied with their hands because they dont want to be accused of racism for every action they do... and then...
6. You can't defend yourself either because the government tries their darn hardest to make sure you don't own a firearm. It came to a point of needing to modify your glock to have a bolt action just to make it freaking legal... You think criminals will comply? Oh wait...
7. California Judicial System will make sure that their agenda will go through. Whether blocking California 168, to Kate Steinle ruling, to even blocking off votes to split cali because the rural cali are so fed up of the politics, California Judges and Ninth Circuit will make sure the liberal agenda continues regardless.
Each paragraph is like one thread worthy of discussion, but there is a pattern... All of them are caused the stupid liberal progressive ideology that California Government kept pushing to its people. And Democrat voters keep blaming the "rich" and the "racist" republicans for the failures that their party and the liberal culture produced.
I am freaking glad i am out of that cesspool of a state.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Did India annex SF?
Cato
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Have you actually been to/worked in/lived in SF?
Most of the homeless there are not black or LGBTQ. Most of them are white.
lil puff
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Thats just.... ridiculous. That's worse than NYC. Fix your shit SF.This shot is horrifying:
I'd be furious if my kid's daycare was walking them by needles every day.
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lil puff
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You think so? Our homeless has risen lately. We are not on SF levels yet, but we are trying to compete.
They are at least trying to build more shelters, but residents do not want them in their area. That, or the homeless just don't want to be in a shelter.
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Blood Borne
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I heard about a popular San Francisco guessing game called "human or animal?"
Pretty much all this(sans zoning laws) is stuff SF already does. There are multiple "exploratory centers" or what SF calls homeless centers in the city. SF offers a public option health Care plan, which for a homeless person essentially means free healthcare. They are fast tracked into low income housing quicker than others(which in that city is a fucking goldmine), and starting last year community college is offered for free, along with job training. The city gives out thousands of free needles a year to the homeless, and are building structures right now for then to shoot up inside.
The city has given them everything.
It doesn't work
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lil puff
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sigh. It is a difficult problem. It looks like SF is doing what they can.
Is it possible that homeless 'want' to be homeless?
edit: But they need to clean the needles off the street. That's not a good look.
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i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
I've been to SF. And, outreach to those communities is backed up by a 2017 homelessness survey done by the city which identified:
- 30 per cent of respondents were LGBT
- 34 per cent of respondents were black
And there's nothing to say you can't outreach to the white community too. Those were just the two examples i used.
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
I have no doubt that SF does a lot of these things, but there is a huge difference between just doing them and doing them well. Then there is the issue of resources.
And while some people may be presuming that I'm some sort of hippie - I'm not. Strong law and order is definitely part of the solution. Chiefly, legally forcing more of the homeless with mental health issues into care. I'm also all for addressing SF chronic zoning laws and NIMBYism.
i_am_ben
running_here_and_there
It comes in because if you can tailor solutions to certain groups you can boost the effectiveness rate for those groups.
You can also 'hook' into existing non-homelessness services, and leverage off those to help people from becoming homeless in the first place.
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lil puff
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Gotcha. Interesting.
How do you figure out which of the homeless are mentally ill?
It seems like forcing the homeless is difficult. As is evidenced during the winter where they do try to force the homeless off the street.
cpp_is_king
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Not familiar with now, but about 15 years ago it was terrrrrrrible, then Giuliani completely eliminated it. It may be worse now, but I don't know what Giuliani did. But everyone agrees it worked and was nothing short of a transformation
Super Mario
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While it sounds like a reasonable request, it's classic Resetera nonsense. To demand links, then question the bias or "validity" of the site once said links are posted. Then after that, it's time to deflect and/or change the subject. That game is tiring.
"Conservative" areas are not some magic utopia. However, if you actually look into said topic, and peel away the layers of "feel good" Liberal policies, most crime filled, highest taxed, highest deficits, etc etc etc cities have been heavily Democratically influenced.
What are the Conservative versions of Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco, etc? Is this where we use charts and graphs to tell us that some low-key, rural Conservatives in the south have it way worse than "educated" Liberals that are literally walking around needles and poop everyday?
AngularSaxophone
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Could San Fran be a glimpse of the world in 10-20 years where the corporations have control of everything and every lifestyle is accepted? Seems like cyberpunk 2077.
Insane Metal
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Holy shit that's disgusting.
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
Of course we have it better.
That's not even a debate.
Again, most of the new homeless in NYC come from, rural conservative towns.
Not only do our tax dollars go to supporting you, but now we have to support your homeless because you won't.
I'd take walking through shit and needles over Idaho every day of the week.