Is 'The Library' (Halo 1) The Worst FPS Level Ever?
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i enjoyed the library. only meaningful problem is that it's too long. if you want to look at fanciful architecture, play metroid prime, which should suit you as long as you don't want to look at fanciful architecture and move at the same time. an entire game like the library would grate, but in halo its low-down corridor crawling made for a bracing changeup.
of course there are dozens of totally inept fps's that are consistently worse than the library. but if you want to talk about bad sections in an otherwise accomplished game, the platforming bits in half-life 1 are far more objectionable than the flood and repeating rooms could ever be.
of course there are dozens of totally inept fps's that are consistently worse than the library. but if you want to talk about bad sections in an otherwise accomplished game, the platforming bits in half-life 1 are far more objectionable than the flood and repeating rooms could ever be.
the_zombie_luke
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That's very true, the jumping puzzles in Half-Life were terrible at times. Being able to save at anywhere shouldn't give designers the right to make frustrating segments.
I wouldn't say I LOVE the Library, but I certainly don't dislike it, and it's nowhere near 'worst'. Especially on Co-op Legendary, the Library is Pure Shooting Greatness- Now With Less Fat!
Worst FPS level experience for me recently (i.e. last year or two) would be that horrendous sniper level in that WW2 FPS...I forget which one- Medal Of Honor? That drove me nuts.
Edit: and I'd have to say for all-time FPS frustration, Xen in HL1 wins due to the incredible letdown it was from the other 75% of the game. Blew my mind, at the time, how horrid it was.
Worst FPS level experience for me recently (i.e. last year or two) would be that horrendous sniper level in that WW2 FPS...I forget which one- Medal Of Honor? That drove me nuts.
Edit: and I'd have to say for all-time FPS frustration, Xen in HL1 wins due to the incredible letdown it was from the other 75% of the game. Blew my mind, at the time, how horrid it was.
Gattsu25 said:
Was this game made in Poland or something... like most of the names on the list sound Polish... well they may have just been from Buffalo
Still I think it's cool how some countries not known for games are getting in on the act, like I remember some guys in Croatia made a PC game a while ago.Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/953998931-00.jpg
Not too ugly looking I'd say: for a small team this is not bad at all.
Not too ugly looking I'd say: for a small team this is not bad at all.
Gattsu25 said:
I exaggerated a question for the sake of discussion. Yeah, it could've been a little better formed, but close-minded fanboy? I own all three of the present major consoles and swear 'allegiance' to none. I own a SP, will probably get a DS despite my doubts in it, and will buy a PSP faster than you can say techno-hoe. I own a decent PC, it's no PCI express capable SLI-cards running ubermachine, but it does well by me. I get exposed to my fair share of games. If you have a beef with how I worded my post, fine, but I'm not sure where you pulled 'fanboy' out of it. Yes, I'm aware I used the phrase 'Halo fanboy', but I should've just said 'Halo fan'. I'm not X-Bot, although I do enjoy alot of games on said system...
Uncle Dukey
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I was kinda curious why this never made it outside of Japan. Now I know why I suppose...novery said:
Uncle Dukey said:
Lessons learned on the part of publisher JVC -- don't release a game while it's still pre-beta. Actually, Microsoft dropped plans to publish Muzzle Flash in the states after seeing its progress (or lack thereof) at TGS a few years back. I think JVC just decided to cut its loses and release what it had in Japan.
(This screen has been heavily doctored. The retail version looks nowhere this good.)
DCharlie mentioned that Famitsu actually scored this filth higher than the first Halo. Do those guys actually play games?
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Project Midway
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I agree 100%.Panajev2001a said:
Do The Mario
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I am playing through Halo on legendary with my mate and I cant wait for the library!
Man, Library isn't even close to the worst FPS level ever.
Have you ever played Super 3-D Noah's Ark?
In this game you had to shoot crazy fucking donkeys and elephants with... I don't know... some sort of ancient tranquelizers that were shot out of a God-damned sling shot. It was the crappiest and frankly most bizarre FPS ever.
Have you ever played Super 3-D Noah's Ark?
In this game you had to shoot crazy fucking donkeys and elephants with... I don't know... some sort of ancient tranquelizers that were shot out of a God-damned sling shot. It was the crappiest and frankly most bizarre FPS ever.
tahrikmili
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Amir0x said:Man, Library isn't even close to the worst FPS level ever.
Have you ever played Super 3-D Noah's Ark?
In this game you had to shoot crazy fucking donkeys and elephants with... I don't know... some sort of ancient tranquelizers that were shot out of a God-damned sling shot. It was the crappiest and frankly most bizarre FPS ever.
LMAO isn't that the Wolf3D engine?
tahrikmili said:
Yep, id actually licensed the Wolf3D engine they developed for the SNES to the whacky Christian company that made this game which, by the way, wasnt Nintendo-endorsed. It actually had to utilize a bypass slot in the cartridge, in which you connected an actual authorized game before it'd run on the system. Rumor is that id was so perturbed at the ridiculous amount of censoring that Nintendo forced upon Wolf3D (dogs replaced with EVIL MUTANT RATS, any and all references to Hitler or swastikas removed, zero blood, etc) that it licensed the engine for this absolute crap game as a form of revenge. Having played the rom a little, I can believe it. Alot of the maps are obviously just Wolf3D ones retextured. Still, the game's worth playing for about five minutes for sheer comedic value alone. You 'shoot' the animals with food pellets - they don't die, they fall 'asleep'...FOREVER. BWA HA HAH A <cough>...
Andokuky said:
No, that was a great level. Could it be some sort of subconscious hatred formed as a result of the Arbiter's introduction? Perhaps you were disappointed with his appearance, and as such, allowed your anger to taint your opinion of the gameplay offered in that mission? By the time you took control of the Arbiter once again, maybe the realization had already set in and, as a result, you were able to accept his existance?
To be quite honest, the only levels which I found less than memorable were those set upon High Charity. They were not awful by any means, but they were the only two areas in the game that managed to recall some of the repetition found in the original Halo. Each of the other levels in the game were almost entirely unique from start to finish...
shpankey
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Daikatana, hands down. Every level in it is x100 worse than the Library. Having to shoot those fucking insects and frogs. :lol
P.S. I actually enjoy the Library. It's just non-stop killin action heavy and hard. I liked that a lot. There is quite a few people who do. Think of it as a change of pace level, something different to change things up in the middle of the game. Besides... it's only one level... sheesh.
P.S. I actually enjoy the Library. It's just non-stop killin action heavy and hard. I liked that a lot. There is quite a few people who do. Think of it as a change of pace level, something different to change things up in the middle of the game. Besides... it's only one level... sheesh.
No they both were just ugly, boring, repetitive pieces of shit from start to finish. I have no problem playing as the Arbiter, in fact I think he is a cooler character than Master Chief but regardless of who I am controlling, a crappy level is a crappy level and that's exactly what those 2 are.
shpankey
not an idiot
^^^
Nah, that's a great level couple levels. Most people I've seen love those 2 levels and I've seen a lot of people say it was their favorite even. You are definately in a very minor minority. In fact, you're the only one I've seen state as such (not saying there is not others -- just not many).
Nah, that's a great level couple levels. Most people I've seen love those 2 levels and I've seen a lot of people say it was their favorite even. You are definately in a very minor minority. In fact, you're the only one I've seen state as such (not saying there is not others -- just not many).
Project Midway
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Yeah, that's it. Just me, Flood and my shotgun. I loved it. =)shpankey said:
Do The Mario
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Andokuky said:
I found those missions a bit dull in comparison with to rest of the game aswell, don't me wrong they are good levels but at the bottom end of the spectrum in terms of level quality in Halo 2.
shpankey
not an idiot
Andokuky said:
Why is that funny? Library was just a bunch of killin. I thought it was a great change of pace.
Besides, what does me liking the Library in Halo 1 have to do with OTHER people liking or disliking a couple levels in Halo 2? Granted, I am one of those OTHER people but my point was not so much about me specifically but that you were in the minority in thinking those 2 levels sucked so much and that most other people wouldn't agree with you, at least in my experience.
After reading through this thread, last night I decided to go back and play the Library again with a friend, Co-op Legendary. About halfway through it struck me how true this comment is, that's exactly the vibe I was getting- Doom 2. Creepy, fast, hectic, low ammo, mayhem, the whole bit.Panajev2001a said:
This is a very good thing.
I replay Outskirts and Metropolis all the time but always quit right when The Arbiter starts. Not sure what it is, but the first Arbiter levels just do not appeal to me. Definately not the fact that I play with the Arbiter, since I love his later levels. The first dialogue of the level is awesome though, something like 'We are the arm of the Prophets, Arbiter. And you are the blade. Be silent and swift and we shall quell this heresy' spoken in a great 'Elite' voice - gets you right in the mood.
Ps getting Ghost and/or Warthog onto the Scarab can provide great entertainment. Try it!
Ps getting Ghost and/or Warthog onto the Scarab can provide great entertainment. Try it!
it's relatively impressive for the time, but obviously hasn't aged well (and quite frankly even for its time, the other big FPS games had a lot better graphics).Panajev2001a said:
but the point is that Mortyr (the game I linked) is by all means a gigantic turd... a flop of daikatana proportions.
Dude Ryan, don't even fucking hate on Muzzle Flash. I should have pulled your hatorade drenched review from XBN the other month! This game pre-dates Ghost Recon 2 by a couple years, and it has smarter A.I. than Edge magazine's most innovative game of 2004, Half-Life 2. You think I'm kidding, but I'm not even cracking a mental smile here. Muzzle Flash might look shitty and be rough around the edges, but it is mighty deep, tense, and combat is always non-scripted. Closest to an OpFlash feeling I've ever had on console. (meanwhile, no PC game has surpassed OpFlash in terms of that GTA-with-military-hardware feel).
Holy crap I played that game yesterday! Its so fucking bad! But the level design isn't that bad. Its mostly the art direction and the controls that make it sucky.Amir0x said:Man, Library isn't even close to the worst FPS level ever.
Have you ever played Super 3-D Noah's Ark?
In this game you had to shoot crazy fucking donkeys and elephants with... I don't know... some sort of ancient tranquelizers that were shot out of a God-damned sling shot. It was the crappiest and frankly most bizarre FPS ever.