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[Mrbob]

Sp0rsk, don't forget about Xbox Live Arcade or demo downloads.

Since you lose GBA and DS, you will probably like Xbox Live Arcade too. Tons of old school style games, old games and new indie developed games, available for purchase for 5 to 10 dollars each. You can probably fit like a max of 3 or 4 games on a 64MB memory card. Or fit at on on the HDD. Also game publishers will be offering demo downloads too so you can try out the games before you buy them.

 

[Mihail]

You non-conformists are kewl... Keep fighting the good fight!

Haha, yeah -- he's just trying to save money so he can be hip. What a tool he is.

 

[raYne]

Haha, yeah -- he's just trying to save money so he can be hip. What a tool he is.

No one's forcing anyone to buy anything. If people want >insert product< and they're willing to pay >insert high price< for purchasing it when it's first available then why shouldn't they?

This price is pretty much going to be standard in the coming gens anyhow (perhaps more in the future). There are always going to be people willing to pay it and people who won't.

If this continues and company's try to charge unfairly in the future, once again, no one's forcing anyone to buy anything. Wait for price drop blah blah blah..

Nice try though...

Oh, and goths aren't hip...

 

[Mihail]

I agree with you that people should pay for whatever they want. After all, you vote with your dollars. I just thought it was silly that you implied he was only against paying over $300 to be a non-conformist.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

MAF wannabe

 

[----]

Yes the tard pack really is that retarded because to save $60 you miss out on:

-Free downloadable game demos and game trailers
-Faster loading times for many games like Elder Scrolls IV
-Multiplayer map expansions for FPS games
-Extra levels and other downloadable content from Live marketplace
-Ability to play MMO games like FFXI
-Voice chat in online games (unless you have a headset)
-Wireless controller
-Remote control to play music, look at pictures, or watch DVDs
-Ability to save lots of XBL Arcade games, dashboard themes, gamer tiles, etc.
-Backwards compatibility with any Xbox games
-HDTV cables which will cost you $30-$40 if you ever upgrade your tv this generation

Buying the Xbox 360 retard pack is really retarded unless you only plan on buying 1 or 2 games for the system and don't think you'll ever make use of any online features, high def features, dvd movie playback, or xbox 1 compatibility.

 

[Oracle Dragon]

BING! BING! BING! BING! BING! Anyone who pays over 300$ for a VIDEOGAME SYSTEM, will hurt all of us in the long run.


It's a fucking TOY, and should be priced as such. 400$ is a PC price-point. SCREW THAT.

Add in an X360 class video card to that PC, and you leave that "$400 PC price-point" far behind.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

I usually let the games justify the price point.

That said, I'm still on the fence.

 

[Fess]

Yes the tard pack really is that retarded because to save $60 you miss out on:

-Free downloadable game demos and game trailers
-Faster loading times for many games like Elder Scrolls IV
-Multiplayer map expansions for FPS games
-Extra levels and other downloadable content from Live marketplace
-Ability to play MMO games like FFXI
-Ability to save lots of XBL Arcade games, dashboard themes, gamer tiles, etc.
-Backwards compatibility with any Xbox games

Sure, but if you get the harddrive instead of the memory card you get all these features, and you're still paying less than for the Premium pack, especially since you'll most likely want the Play and Charge kit for that wireless controller included in the Premium pack.
And add one more wireless controller for the Premium pack plus one battery pack and you'll end up at $481,96 when going by the official prices at xbox.com. While you'll end up at $439,97 for the Core pack with the harddrive and an additional standard controller.

-Voice chat in online games (unless you have a headset)
-Wireless controller
-Remote control to play music, look at pictures, or watch DVDs
-HDTV cables which will cost you $30-$40 if you ever upgrade your tv this generation

Yes these are the main advantages the Premium pack has over the Core pack, but these aren't likely features/accessories that the majority will need. The wireless controller is cool though.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Fuck that noise, I'm not gonna buy the play and charge, AA's are so cheap these days, and Costco sells like friggen 40 or 60 packs or something for like 10 bucks, or something. So cheap.

 

[Minotauro]

I just want to note how much I love the terms "retard pack" and "tard pack." GAF truly is a wonderous place.

 

[raYne]

I agree with you that people should pay for whatever they want. After all, you vote with your dollars. I just thought it was silly that you implied he was only against paying over $300 to be a non-conformist.

Actually the initial post was a joke anyway. If you saw the South Park eps you'd know exactly why it was said in the manner in which it was. Which is also why I posted the pic so people could add the two together.

 

[mrklaw]

I usually let the games justify the price point.

That said, I'm still on the fence.

nah, fuck it. There *will* be games worth buying the machine for, and PGR3 looks bloody gorgeous. So why not just buy that and that, and then you're done?

Unless you want to wait for a price drop, but then if you wait there's always a better options just around the corner...

 

[mr_sockochris]

How about you buy the premium pack and sell the shit you don't need?

Correct.

 

[----]

Sure, but if you get the harddrive instead of the memory card you get all these features, and you're still paying less than for the Premium pack, especially since you'll most likely want the Play and Charge kit for that wireless controller included in the Premium pack.
And add one more wireless controller for the Premium pack plus one battery pack and you'll end up at $481,96 when going by the official prices at xbox.com. While you'll end up at $439,97 for the Core pack with the harddrive and an additional standard controller.

Yes these are the main advantages the Premium pack has over the Core pack, but these aren't likely features/accessories that the majority will need. The wireless controller is cool though.

What the fuck? Are you actually saying it makes more sense to buy a Core console and HDD peripheral than it does to just buy the premium pack?

:lol

 

[Ponn]

Yes the tard pack really is that retarded because to save $60 you miss out on:

-Free downloadable game demos and game trailers
-Faster loading times for many games like Elder Scrolls IV
-Multiplayer map expansions for FPS games
-Extra levels and other downloadable content from Live marketplace
-Ability to play MMO games like FFXI
-Voice chat in online games (unless you have a headset)
-Wireless controller
-Remote control to play music, look at pictures, or watch DVDs
-Ability to save lots of XBL Arcade games, dashboard themes, gamer tiles, etc.
-Backwards compatibility with any Xbox games
-HDTV cables which will cost you $30-$40 if you ever upgrade your tv this generation

Buying the Xbox 360 retard pack is really retarded unless you only plan on buying 1 or 2 games for the system and don't think you'll ever make use of any online features, high def features, dvd movie playback, or xbox 1 compatibility.

You forgot the chrome finish drive door.

 

[Version 3.0]

Wired Controller: 39.99
Component Cable: 39.99
Memory Card: 39.99

Certainly not less than 100...

Thanks, raYne and urk. Guess it'll cost me too much to boycott that hard drive. I still can't wait for the hack! Bastards!

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Add in an X360 class video card to that PC, and you leave that "$400 PC price-point" far behind.

No doubt Dragon.

 

[JJConrad]

If your going to buy the system at launch, then why waste you're time with the retard pack? If you have no interest in those features, I doubt you have enough to warrent rushing out and getting the system. If money is the issue, then just wait for the price to drop. A price drop is basically guarenteed by the end of next year (if not a price drop with bundled games).

Of course, the hacking community will probably need all of a week to bypass whatever prevents someone from using their own harddrive. When that happens, which pack really is the "retard pack"?

 

[Fess]

What the fuck? Are you actually saying it makes more sense to buy a Core console and HDD peripheral than it does to just buy the premium pack?

If all you need is a console with a harddrive and two controllers and don't need any of that other stuff, then yeah, definitely. What's the point in paying extra for something you know you won't need? I guess you could have some luck in selling the accessories separately, but why bother when you could buy what you want right away? There are no drawbacks as far as I know as long as you don't need any of the other accessories or wireless controllers.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Of course, the hacking community will probably need all of a week to bypass whatever prevents someone from using their own harddrive.

It took them a hell of a lot longer than that (wasn't it the better part of a year?) to hack the X1, and this time they worked harder on security...

 

[chinch]

the same anti-ms 'tards calling it the "retard pack" will be very upset when this SKU sells hundreds of thousands of extra 360's to casuals over the next few years.

 

[Littleberu]

the same anti-ms 'tards calling it the "retard pack" will be very upset when this SKU sells hundreds of thousands of extra 360's to casuals over the next few years.

Why?

 

[tromik]

I'm waiting until the damn thing is reliable. Same with PS3. I'll probably end up buying version 20 of the PS3.

 

[EviLore]

the same anti-ms 'tards calling it the "retard pack" will be very upset when this SKU sells hundreds of thousands of extra 360's to casuals over the next few years.

The retard pack selling a lot is the last thing most of us want, but not for the same reason you're suggesting.

 

[empanada]

Any word on how they plan to split the initial shipment? What if Microsoft creates an artficial shortage of the premium pack and an oversupply of the retard pack just so they can boost sales of accessories???

 

[raYne]

the same anti-ms 'tards calling it the "retard pack" will be very upset when this SKU sells hundreds of thousands of extra 360's to casuals over the next few years.

Except that there are a few MS fans who refer to it as the same thing, myself included. Do I sense a bit of insecurity?

As for people being "upset" at the possible sales numbers. I doubt people care one way or the other as long as they're happy with their purchase.

Any word on how they plan to split the initial shipment? What if Microsoft creates an artficial shortage of the premium pack and an oversupply of the retard pack just so they can boost sales of accessories???

I think I recall seeing a 70/30 numbers of Premium/Core a while back, but that may or may not be still accurate.

 

[Yusaku]

This totally defeats the purpose of making an HDDvd player for the system them... Why wouldn't you just buy a standalone player? :lol

I don't know why people keep thinking there's a possibility there will be an HD-DVD version of the 360. Just like everyone talked about a DVD-ROM update to the Dreamcast. It's not going to happen, the 360 is stuck with whatever it has at launch.

Also, I predict the Core pack will disapear very quickly. Probably with the first price-drop.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Just like everyone talked about a DVD-ROM update to the Dreamcast.

Yeah, and all that crazy talk about a Gamecube that would play DVDs.

 

[DarienA]

I think I recall seeing a 70/30 numbers of Premium/Core a while back, but that may or may not be still accurate.

I thought it was 80/20 in the last interview.... suffice to say they'll definitely be pushing the Premium Pack harder....

 

[Gio_CoD]

Yeah, and all that crazy talk about a Gamecube that would play DVDs.

There was a Gamecube that played DVDs. It's called the Q.

Anyway, I don't think the "tard pack" is that retarded. What was the Xbox Live userbase for the first generation? 5-8 percent of total Xbox owners actually got an Xbox Live account?

Like someone else in this thread said, I think a lot of us tend to forget that we are the "hardcore" when it comes to videogames. We're the ones that think about things like loading times and downloadable maps and crap. I think most people that play games don't ever think about those things.

I know quite a few people with a PS2 and an Xbox (like 10-15 people), but I know TWO people that have Xbox Live. And both of those people are, again, hardcore gamers like me.

Hell, I have Xbox Live, but I couldn't tell you the last time I logged on to play. The online gaming community still needs a lot of mainstreamization before it's fun to the average person. Right now it's a case where if you don't get the new hot game and play it from the onset, you can't jump in later and start playing. The userbase has already weeded out the casuals, and the ones left are the hardcore that don't want to play with "noobs". Think of Splinter Cell.

For me personally, I'd get the premium pack because I have an HDTV, and the cost of a memory card and component cables is pretty much putting me at the premium pack cost anyway. But for the average "I still game on a 26 inch Sony CRT" gamer, I don't think they necessarily need the hard drive.

Anyway... I'm waiting for PS3 and Revolution to release. Then I'll pick up the Premium Xbox 360 for the price that the "tard pack" is now and I'll get the best of both worlds.

 

[BojTrek]

You forgot the chrome finish drive door.

I think the chrome finish drive door is terrible looking... I wish it was the same off-white color and material used for the console... Bad design...

Oh well!

 

[Beer Monkey]

There was a Gamecube that played DVDs. It's called the Q.

O RLY?

Sarcasm must be like MTV.

 

[raYne]

I thought it was 80/20 in the last interview.... suffice to say they'll definitely be pushing the Premium Pack harder....

Probably was 80/20... that's why I said I "think I recall"...

I think the chrome finish drive door is terrible looking... I wish it was the same off-white color and material used for the console... Bad design...

If someone's looking to buy a faceplate the chrome version on the Premium goes much better with any color than the white version on the Core pack.

They (MS) also wanted a way to make sure people could differentiate the two versions just by looking at it. So they went with the chrome drive door for the "higher end model".

 

[Gio_CoD]

O RLY?

Sarcasm must be like MTV.

But was the Q not available at the Cube launch? And also, there was never a Gamecube game that shipped on a DVD, so the circumstances aren't exactly comparable to the rumors that XB360 might get a HD-DVD drive upgrade.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

the same anti-ms 'tards calling it the "retard pack" will be very upset when this SKU sells hundreds of thousands of extra 360's to casuals over the next few years.

This has nothing to do with being anti-ms.

 

[raYne]

But was the Q not available at the Cube launch? And also, there was never a Gamecube game that shipped on a DVD, so the circumstances aren't exactly comparable to the rumors that XB360 might get a HD-DVD drive upgrade.

A better point would be to bring up that for price, interest and availability factors the Q wasn't exactly popular. There wasn't a mass rush of people wanting to buy this "Super" GC because it could do all this other stuff and had DVD drives etc.

I'd be interested in seeing what the final sales numbers on it were.

If, and I doubt it ever will going by the recent HD-DVD news, a HD-DVD model x360 became available I see a similar outcome happening.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Anyone complaining about buying the Charge 'n Play kit should realize that it's $20 for the cable and battery pack. To me, that's not bad at all, considering you can go through $20 woth of batteries pretty quickly. Especially if you're playing something like Oblivion!

 

[Gio_CoD]

Anyone complaining about buying the Charge 'n Play kit should realize that it's $20 for the cable and battery pack. To me, that's not bad at all, considering you can go through $20 woth of batteries pretty quickly. Especially if you're playing something like Oblivion!

I don't know, I've replaced the batteries in my Wavebird three times, and I've put an ASSLOAD of hours into that thing.

 

[Andokuky]

$300 is less retarded than $400 for a launch lineup that looks like crap.

Hopefully around the time Full Auto and GoW are ready, a price drop will be near.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

$300 is less retarded than $400 for a launch lineup that looks like crap.

Hopefully around the time Full Auto and GoW are ready, a price drop will be near.

Don't count on a price drop till PS3 hits the scene.

 

[Tenacious-V]

But was the Q not available at the Cube launch? And also, there was never a Gamecube game that shipped on a DVD, so the circumstances aren't exactly comparable to the rumors that XB360 might get a HD-DVD drive upgrade.

There's no way in hell MS would split the userbase like that. IF an HD-DVD version ever saw the light of day, it would only be to enable video playback of HD-DVD's. They wouldn't start shipping HD-DVD versions of games, or DVD and HD-DVD coinciding with one another. It's just to risky and expensive.

 

[Gio_CoD]

Don't count on a price drop till PS3 hits the scene.

Well GoW is holiday 06, right? Should be the same time as the PS3 hits the streets.

 

[raYne]

Well GoW is holiday 06, right? Should be the same time as the PS3 hits the streets.

Undetermined, but Q2 '06 is most often tossed around.

 

[Gio_CoD]

There's no way in hell MS would split the userbase like that. IF an HD-DVD version ever saw the light of day, it would only be to enable video playback of HD-DVD's. They wouldn't start shipping HD-DVD versions of games, or DVD and HD-DVD coinciding with one another. It's just to risky and expensive.

I agree, it's just that I think it would still paint MS into a corner considering how much they've hyped the media capabilities of the machine. Half of the draw (in their minds anyway) is the seamless media interaction you can have with the machine. It'll piss off early adopters who are all into the media capabilities for MS to release a machine later that has even better media capabilities.

I don't think it'll ever happen though. Mostly because MS knows that they would be pissing off a lot of early adopters if they did that.

 

[Willy Wanka]

Buy the premium pack or uh...buy DS games but don't get the core pack.