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And I disagree. If a company has treated me right, I will continue to buy from that company. It's the exact same thing when eating at a restuarant. If you like the food, and service, why bother with another place? Certainly if they cater to your tastes.Geek said:
Brand loyalty, is something that's taken place FOREVER. Your asking it to be different JUST for videogames? C'mon now.
One thing Nintendo excells in is customer service. My fathers Gamecube, when he purchased it, did not work. He called Nintendo, and they sent him another one before he returned his, the next day. That kind of service can keep a customer for life.
There's nothing wrong with it. People calling other people names becuase of it, is wrong.
Let me ask you this geek, do you stand in line for the newest videogame, just becuase it's a videogame? Or did you, like millions of other wait in line for Halo2, becuase of the BRAND NAME?
Unless of course you wait for every release, like mary-kate and Ashley Olsens newest GBA game.
It's the same EXACT THING. Nintendo just happens to make kick-ass, AAA games, that only exist on Nintendo platforms. So I purchase a Nintendo system. Simple as that. Do I have other systems? Yup. Do I buy more Nintendo games then anything else? You bet your ass. Why? Becuase thier games are CONSITANTLY on the top of the heap, plain and simple.
Why go elsewhere when this level of gaming greatness keeps flowing? It's like cutting down the money tree in your back yard, becuase your sick of 100$ bills.
Unless of course you wait for every release, like mary-kate and Ashley Olsens newest GBA game.
It's the same EXACT THING. Nintendo just happens to make kick-ass, AAA games, that only exist on Nintendo platforms. So I purchase a Nintendo system. Simple as that. Do I have other systems? Yup. Do I buy more Nintendo games then anything else? You bet your ass. Why? Becuase thier games are CONSITANTLY on the top of the heap, plain and simple.
Why go elsewhere when this level of gaming greatness keeps flowing? It's like cutting down the money tree in your back yard, becuase your sick of 100$ bills.
Brand loyalty is perfectly normal, and it's how the world works...so, I don't know what to tell you.Okay. Clearly we misunderstand each other. My annoyance with certain people, not specifically you Moku, is that they'll blindly, loyally follow a corporate entity because they enjoy some of their product. I like Nintendo quite a bit, but that doesn't mean that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt just because I liked The Legend of Zelda so much. Nor will I ever attempt to "defend" them to another consumer.
Those who put what is akin to "faith" into a company, letting message board or press slander get to them, are misguided. If you're a shareholder in one of these public companies, it might hit closer to home, and I can understand that a bit more.
My stance is that I have zero relationship with these companies, outside of exchanging money with them. That's it. As a company, they get no actual love from me. They get my cash. That's all they want, really, and I'm happy to maintain that relationship with them for as long as I enjoy their product. Each corporation, regardless of publisher or console manufacturer, is on a level playing field with me. That's it.
As hyperbolic as it may be, I do feel that this quote is accurate for a decent portion of the very vocal video game enthusiast population: "Much of the public, it seems, has replaced religious faith or spiritual practice with idolatry, either of a sick popular culture or sick politicians. The result is a lot of people who are both rabid and miserable, attached to things that give them no inner sustenance and yet deeply protective of those things."
Those who put what is akin to "faith" into a company, letting message board or press slander get to them, are misguided. If you're a shareholder in one of these public companies, it might hit closer to home, and I can understand that a bit more.
My stance is that I have zero relationship with these companies, outside of exchanging money with them. That's it. As a company, they get no actual love from me. They get my cash. That's all they want, really, and I'm happy to maintain that relationship with them for as long as I enjoy their product. Each corporation, regardless of publisher or console manufacturer, is on a level playing field with me. That's it.
As hyperbolic as it may be, I do feel that this quote is accurate for a decent portion of the very vocal video game enthusiast population: "Much of the public, it seems, has replaced religious faith or spiritual practice with idolatry, either of a sick popular culture or sick politicians. The result is a lot of people who are both rabid and miserable, attached to things that give them no inner sustenance and yet deeply protective of those things."
moku said:
Halo is a game, not Microsoft. I, and most smart consumers, look at the games themselves. There is still a difference between Loyalty and Fanboy which was being discussed in the article. It's one thing for you to be loyal to Nintendo brand games and like them the way you do. It's FANBOYISH to assume your opinion is a fact and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong and you must put them down, argue and berate them. Further there is different levels, like actually hating other systems just because they are in the market, not being open minded, twisting facts, frothing at weekly sales numbers(really, why the hell do people get off on that) and generally being a tool and corporate whore for your respective company. This can translate well into other things to, like sports.
Well, there are obviously going to be the "crazies". There are those types, who blindly follow people, things, gods, e.t.c.. to the point it clutters thier thinking, and they becomes a danger to themselves(And others).Geek said:
I'm just talking about spending my money on a product becuase I know it will be good.
I have always maintained this viewpoint;
I grew up with Nintendo, and they have always been good to me, when it comes to game purchases. With that said, I do go out and buy other games, and systems, becuase I like gaming. Halo, is my favorite Next-gen game thus far, and guess what, it's not a Nintendo product. Thus the reason for me going out, and waiting in line, purchasing x-box live, and getting roasted. I now stick to Halo PC exclusivly. I am of the "what have you done for me lately" camp, and Nintendo keeps delivering, to my complete amazment. I keep expecting them to drop some flaming turd on my doorstep, "HAHAHAHA! Here's the next Zelda, and guess what IT SUCKS!" But it doesn't happen. It's amazing to me how a company can keep producing quality games, for such a long time. Everyone, and everything at some point, gets crappy, but not NIntendo at this point.
Now, if the RevolutiON(
) is junk, I'll be pissed. But, becuase of my loyalty, it will hurt more, then if say the X-Box360 turns out to be junk. That's becuase of the history. Will I buy all three next gen systems? More then likely. Will I buy more Nintendo MADE GAMES then any other developer? Yes sir.It would be the same thing if Nintendo went Third-party. I would wait outside for the next Zelda, regardless of what platform it was on. They are THAT GOOD. I just have to buy a NIntendo console to get thier games, so I do.
I want inovation in videogames. That's why my interest is so high with the revolution. They are saying, "console, connected to T.V., controller to console, thats an OLD pardigm" That sounds cool as hell. I would LOVE for a new type of controll, or some sort of VR. I worked with VR awhile back(Amusment company. I was in charge of editing the footage of the things they did, into an industrial montage so people would rent thier stuff. Thier VR units were slick. They looked like complete junk, but man they were fun as hell)
Anyway, getting back on track, I love NIntendo games, and I am loyal. But I will buy other games that peak my interest. Fanboy? Yup. SANE FANBOY? You bet your ass.
Wafflecopter
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:lol I guess constant means 2-3 decent games a yearmoku said:
My absolute favorite Fanboy response is when a game gets anything below a 8.5 and screams of bias come out. Especially when none of them have played the games themselves. They want every game to get perfect 10's not realizing how much they have helped ruin rating systems. 5-6 is an average game yet how can I believe any score systems where every damn game that comes out is above average or higher.
Red Mercury said:
I think you misunderstood my point.
I don't hate on anyone or begrudge anyone who chooses a console or likes different games than I like. I don't go around aggressively attacking people. I will however, defend my choices to the death if need be
You've got 'aggressive' fanboys who have no problem just making a post right out of the blue slamming a particular company or system. On the other hand, you've got 'defender' fanboys who feel the need to defend any slight on their system of choice.
Case in point: ... well I can't find the damn link but it was from a couple of days ago on this very forum where some guy starts posting crap from back in the year 2000 and trying to slam 'Xbots'. No Xbot yanked his chain, yet he felt the need to just simply up and post something to slam people that purchased an Xbox.
The point is... not everyone can afford to buy every single system and every single game that comes out. And even if I could, I wouldn't have near enough time to play everything. Gamespot gets the luxury of getting all this shit for free so its very easy for them to sit there and be condescending to people who may only have one particular system, whatever the reason and to also slam them if they are simply defending whatever choice they made.
Another problem is when people Assume that just because someone owns one system, they are nothing more than 2 steps away from the soup kitchen and living in a cardboard box.
I happen to disagree totally with this. But I'm not going to slam him for it or call him a fanboy. I don't think Nintendo's games are anywhere near the top of the heap anymore. I feel like they've milked their franchises to death and even Reggie admitted in an interview I read the other day that this is a legitimate criticism of the company and they are going to be coming up with new franchises for Revolution. Problem is, I heard the exact same thing from one of their executives just before Gamecube launched. My days of dealing with Nintendo are long gone. I've been playing Nintendo games since 1985 and about 3 or 4 years ago, I just got totally burned out with them. I felt like I was playing the same damn games I've been playing for the last 15-20 years except they throw a new coat of paint on it and maybe change the control scheme a little. I had a lot of fun with Nintendo back in the day, but they just don't have anything for me anymore, or at least at this time.
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And even i am moderately surprised
pfff... if most gaffers started offering services down the docks with half as much energy as all the moaning, most people _would_ have 2k EXTRA a month.
And i assume that's how everyone is gonna afford thier 1080P tv sets that everyone is going to be buying!
The Take Out Bandit
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And no time to play games. :lol
Let's get something right here. I am a fan of Videogames first. Second, I experience no droughts, becuase I play other games, as I have stated previous.Ponn01 said:
Third, My opinion is that Metroid Prime1 and 2, were both fantastic games. WW was an excellent game, and I really dug Mario Sunshine. Eternal Darkness was really underated, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart DD. Pikmin 1, and 2 were great, as was Rogue Squadron2. Smash Brothers was also cream on the top.
That's 11 games, all of wich are AAA, or damn close, that I have to buy a Nintendo console for.
Bringing the DS into it is a little premature. I am currently enjoying Kirby(Wich is alot of fun, and different then anything else I've ever played, wich I have been wating) and look forward to Advanced Wars.
For my Cube I have the New Zelda, and Battalion Wars to look forward to. Not a problem so far.
If the 360 has a great title at launch, I'll buy one. If not, I'll wait. If the PS3 launches with a new GT, I'll purchase that as well.
Simple as that.
Gamespot +1
Nice little article that is sending the right message and also doesn't take it too seriously.
I hope fanboys in this world had a moment of reflexion and could laugh at themselves like all intelligent and sain beings do from time to time.
Everybody that don't agree with this article and can't understand it's message, you passed the exam with a 100% score --- you are a fanboy.
Nice little article that is sending the right message and also doesn't take it too seriously.
I hope fanboys in this world had a moment of reflexion and could laugh at themselves like all intelligent and sain beings do from time to time.
Everybody that don't agree with this article and can't understand it's message, you passed the exam with a 100% score --- you are a fanboy.
Good article. I don't have a problem with anyone (myself included) having loyalty to one particular console or another- loyalty is just an artifact of human nature. What I do have a problem with is the irrational, over-the-top hate stuff I see so often from all sides. Alas, that to, is human nature I guess.
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Ponn01 said:
Too many of those below 8.5 reviews could effect sales, unless the brand/marketing is extremely good coupled with delayed reviews like Enter the Matrix or a younger audience who'd want a badly rated licenced/cartoon game just because of the license (Sonic Heroes, THQ GBA?). I believe retailers/distributers keeps tabs on reviews, fanboy discussion and the like, something I call the playground. Back in the day that's where this BS started from, now it's on online messageboards also. It makes this more than just a bad pathetic joke when people that matter actually listen, and even market to these fanboys. Just look at E3.
People poo hooing reviews left and right, while at the same time depending on them to do all of their thinking. It's either important in the scheme of things, or not. I'm saying that while I don't agree with fanboys, there is reason to some of their madness. Especially if one is invested in the popularity of a game or console, and they read reviews that are unconcious or willfully ignorant of their place in the industry. Part of the reason why I liked Gamefan's review system, overly nice, yeah, prone to severe hyperbole, but still easy to pick out the gems by how much they raved (and it was easy to tell most of it was geniune, not fabricated excitement), not if they just liked a game or not. At the same time, only really bad games got bad scores, and it was easy to see what those games were. Anything in the middle got some praise, some excitement, and no negative buzz associated with the game. So maybe fans of that genre will consider the game instead of just dismiss it outright because of one review.
Far as that Gamespotting article is concerned, it owned every messageboard that exists. I wish they'd take it further and expose the fanboyism that plagues every aspect of the gaming industry. Though I do not expect the gaming media to tell on themselves like that. Easier to diss 90% of their fanbase who actually pays their bills, as if they don't suffer from the exact same disease.
C- Warrior
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demi said:
:lol :lol
That's fucked up, but still hiliarous in a "zing" kind of way.
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