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Islamist Extremists celebrate Trump win

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ForsakenLotus

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I don't know what percent terrorism has had in the fracturing of the American people that would allow for Donald Trump to be elected, but it's undeniable that at least some small part of his victory can be attributed to terrorism. That is sobering and that is terrifying.
 
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Roman

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Audioboxer said:
And such a guys intention is not worldwide peace, acceptance and integration of communities. It matters where remarks come from.
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That's exactly the point, though. It is essential to recognize that this is the path these people are hoping for, and that the election result and rising Islamophobia will help propel them to reach their goals more efficiently.

It is horrifying to agree with such a person, but in this case they outline very probable outcomes.
 
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MUnited83

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They did it with Obama while there was people within America hitting on Obama due to him supposedly being a Muslim. ISIS kill and oppress no matter who the United States has as president.
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No shit. But you have to be quite ignorant of their radicalization methods if you don't think a Trump presidency is far more advantageous for them.
 
Laughing Banana

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The Beard said:
That's not what I meant, and you know it. Cute though.
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Well, cute or not, am I wrong?

Americans just elected a guy that make banning Muslims a large part of his rhetoric to become their president. If that is not a great example of how deep down Americans truly hates Muslims (or anyone 'different'), then what is?

I guess you don't have any cute answers to that, do you?
 
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wenaldy

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It also means more money rotation from arms dealing. USofA loves funding the so called "rebels" (a positive term of local insurgent) to fight "ISIS".
 
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Roman said:
That's exactly the point, though. It is essential to recognize that this is the path these people are hoping for, and that the election result and rising Islamophobia will help propel them to reach their goals more efficiently.

It is horrifying to agree with such a person, but in this case they outline very probable outcomes.
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BernardoOne said:
No shit. But you have to be quite ignorant of their radicalization methods if you don't think a Trump presidency is far more advantageous for them.
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Just begins to read like we should fear terrorist groups and cater to their wishes. Again I'm sorry for America Trump was voted in, but we have democracy here and that is more important than pandering to ISIS and what they might try to do.

This is not the time to be saying let's pay attention to what ISIS and Islamic terrorists think. No one has any right to try and use violence to respond to American democracy. Fuck that. Fuck bending the knee to it, and fuck trying to rationalise a snippet of a comment from a terrorist.

America has to democratically sort its problems out with Trump without caring about ISIS.
 
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Crosseyes

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One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter...

So long as they're driven so heavily by religious motivations it will be very hard to side with them but if newer factions ditch the more ISIS extreme ideology I will find it a lot easier to sympathize with those yelling "Fuck you america!" When we just very clearly yelled, "Fuck you Islam!" back.

And one side is the richest country in the world and still kills people in the thousands.
 
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The Beard

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RustyNails said:
Except they will hate us more. Trump actually featured in ISIS propaganda video which served to recruit terrorists.
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So, if it wasn't Trump it'd be something else. They list porn as a reason to hate us, while they rape/kill women and children and have terabytes of porn on their own PCs. Fuck giving them any attention. Fuck agreeing with anything they say. Fuck pretending like "they have a point".
 
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KingSnake

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His rallies, his speeches, his rumblings combined with him sitting in the Oval office make the terrorist recruitment ads write themselves. All the "ban them", "kill their families", "muslims this, muslims that" are "better" than anything ISIS have used until now.
 
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FantasticMrFoxdie

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Sounds about right.


So Russia and Extremists happy, majority Americans sad


GARlockSpiral said:
Wait, one of the natural elements had a nominee? Like, Hillary lost because she didn't have the endorsement of FIRE?
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Heh she did have the FIRE endorsement

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MUnited83

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Just begins to read like we should fear terrorist groups and cater to their wishes. Again I'm sorry for America Drumpf was voted in, but we have democracy here and that is more important than pandering to ISIS and what they might try to do.

This is not the time to be saying let's pay attention to what ISIS and Islamic terrorists think. No one has any right to try and use violence to respond to American democracy. Fuck that. Fuck bending the knee to it, and fuck trying to rationalise a snippet of a comment from a terrorist.

America has to democratically sort its problems out with Drumpf without caring about ISIS.
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Catering and pandering to ISIS is exactly what America just did. They played right into ISIS hands.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

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The Beard said:
So, if it wasn't Trump it'd be something else. They list porn as a reason to hate us, while they rape/kill women and children and have terabytes of porn on their own PCs. Fuck giving them any attention. Fuck agreeing with anything they say. Fuck pretending like "they have a point".
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You're right. If it wasn't trump they would find another reason. With Trump, he will turn moderates extreme and enable terrorist groups though.
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

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UrbanRats said:
He implied none of that, what are you talking about? If Hitler said water is wet, that'd be false, to you?
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Whataboutisms about Hitler do nothing to make a point. An extremeist who would believe the mere fact you support gay marriage makes you anti-islam has zero credibility to be listened to.

BernardoOne said:
Catering and pandering to ISIS is exactly what America just did. They played right into ISIS hands.
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So yeah, America fear your right to vote because ISIS are a thing. Ridiculous.
 
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Roman

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Audioboxer said:
Just begins to read like we should fear terrorist groups and cater to their wishes. Again I'm sorry for America Trump was voted in, but we have democracy here and that is more important than pandering to ISIS and what they might try to do.

This is not the time to be saying let's pay attention to what ISIS and Islamic terrorists think. No one has any right to try and use violence to respond to American democracy. Fuck that.
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That seems to be your personal interpretation that wasn't intended by me at all.
The comments in this thread don't read to me as if we should "cater to their wishes" or "pander to ISIS". Quite the opposite actually. I also disagree on the notion that we shouldn't pay any attention to what they think.
 
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Frustrated_me

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As far as my best bet goes, Trump will cut all support for "moderate" rebels in Syria. What are these extremists celebrating exactly?

Trump is the complete opposite of what the extremists would need. They're done for in Syria without US support.

If anything this ends all hope for the pro-Rebels who were hoping for a Clinton victory.
 
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orochi91

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MetroidPrimeRib said:
You're right. If it wasn't trump they would find another reason. With Trump, he will turn moderates extreme and enable terrorist groups though.
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I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and hope he was being hyperbolic and/or straight up lying to garner votes, with regards to his "ban all Muslim" mantra and other similar declarations.

Otherwise, yea, radicalization will probably skyrocket among Muslim communities in the US.
 
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ForsakenLotus

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Audioboxer said:
Just begins to read like we should fear terrorist groups and cater to their wishes. Again I'm sorry for America Trump was voted in, but we have democracy here and that is more important than pandering to ISIS and what they might try to do.

This is not the time to be saying let's pay attention to what ISIS and Islamic terrorists think. No one has any right to try and use violence to respond to American democracy. Fuck that. Fuck bending the knee to it, and fuck trying to rationalise a snippet of a comment from a terrorist.

America has to democratically sort its problems out with Trump without caring about ISIS.
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You are completely and utterly missing the point. It's not that we should give any credibility to a terorist, it's that chilling acknowledgement that what he is saying is true, at least in this instance. That's terrifying. Chastising people for pointing out this terrible point doesn't help in any way.
 
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Tristam

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Frustrated_me said:
As far as my best bet goes, Trump will cut all support for "moderate" rebels in Syria. What are these extremists celebrating exactly?

Trump is the complete opposite of what the extremists would need. They're done for in Syria without US support.

If anything this ends all hope for the pro-Rebels who were hoping for a Clinton victory.
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Trump is ISIS's best recruiting tool. Expect their ranks to swell.
 
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orochi91

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ForsakenLotus said:
You are completely and utterly missing the point. It's not that we should give any credibility to a terorist, it's that chilling acknowledgement that what he is saying is true, at least in this instance. That's terrifying. Chastising people for pointing out this terrible point doesn't help in any way.
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Agreed.

What these terrorists are saying is pretty on-point; Trump is a fantastic recruitment tool for them, and if he goes through with his anti-Muslim agenda in the US, then radicalized youths will be more likely to flock towards Islamic Extremist groups.
 
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RustyNails

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Audioboxer said:
Just begins to read like we should fear terrorist groups and cater to their wishes. Again I'm sorry for America Trump was voted in, but we have democracy here and that is more important than pandering to ISIS and what they might try to do.

This is not the time to be saying let's pay attention to what ISIS and Islamic terrorists think. No one has any right to try and use violence to respond to American democracy. Fuck that. Fuck bending the knee to it, and fuck trying to rationalise a snippet of a comment from a terrorist.

America has to democratically sort its problems out with Trump without caring about ISIS.
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The Beard said:
So, if it wasn't Trump it'd be something else. They list porn as a reason to hate us, while they rape/kill women and children and have terabytes of porn on their own PCs. Fuck giving them any attention. Fuck agreeing with anything they say. Fuck pretending like "they have a point".
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Do you guys like your heads buried in the sand or what. This is the exact same bullshit that happened after 9/11. Nice to see "They hate us for our freedomz!!!!!" rearing it's head once more and not asking the right questions to understand the actual causes of terrorism. Trump actively served an important purpose for recruiting terrorists. SO WHAT THEY HATE PORN is such a red herring. They hate America for a lot of things, and all of those things are what Trump embodies: hatred for Muslims, hard and loose with facts, talking about taking Iraq's oil, talking about waterboarding detainees, talking about banning them wholesale. Hello, Abu Ghraib wasn't that long ago and it's memories are seared inside everyone in Arab world, not just terrorists.
 
Audioboxer

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ForsakenLotus said:
You are completely and utterly missing the point. It's not that we should give any credibility to a terorist, it's that chilling acknowledgement that what he is saying is true, at least in this instance. That's terrifying. Chastising people for pointing out this terrible point doesn't help in any way.
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Fair enough if it sits right with anyone to think words coming from such a source are "true", and there isn't another more obvious agenda, it's just care about American minority citizens, that's on you.

RustyNails said:
Do you guys like your heads buried in the sand or what. This is the exact same bullshit that happened after 9/11. Nice to see "They hate us for our freedomz!!!!!" rearing it's head once more and not asking the right questions to understand the actual causes of terrorism. Trump actively served an important purpose for recruiting terrorists. SO WHAT THEY HATE PORN is such a red herring. They hate America for a lot of things, and all of those things are what Trump embodies: hatred for Muslims, hard and loose with facts, talking about taking Iraq's oil, talking about waterboarding detainees, talking about banning them wholesale. Hello, Abu Ghraib wasn't that long ago and it's memories are seared inside everyone in Arab world, not just terrorists.
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Rusty I don't quite care what ISIS hate America for. A group that uses cold blooded killing of innocent people as it's way of engaging with disagreements with America is not getting legitimised by me as having some serious role to play in American politics.
 
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MUnited83

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Audioboxer said:
Whataboutisms about Hitler do nothing to make a point. An extremeist who would believe the mere fact you support gay marriage makes you anti-islam has zero credibility to be listened to.



So yeah, America fear your right to vote because ISIS are a thing. Ridiculous.
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It's not about "fear your right to vote".


It's about the fact that the Trump presidency is hugely advantageous to ISIS, way, way more than a Clinton presidency. As much as you'd likely to lalalalala around it, it's the truth. It's just one of the many things Trump will completely fuck up.
 
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The Beard

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MetroidPrimeRib said:
You're right. If it wasn't trump they would find another reason. With Trump, he will turn moderates extreme and enable terrorist groups though.
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So, droves of peaceful moderate Muslims will suddenly start killing/beheading innocent people, raping women and children, and looking to cause mass casualties?

I don't think so.
 
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Cuburt

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So Trump loses the popular vote and any future attacks are likely to be in densely populated areas that tend to vote Democrat and likely didn't vote for Trump, while the rural towns that are far from everything help put the guy in office.

That's not even considering the Muslims in America who will likely be targeted by hate from our own citizens and put in that firing line from attacks as well.

Just great.
 
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MUnited83

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Fair enough if it sits right with anyone to think words coming from such a source are "true", and there isn't another more obvious agenda, it's just care about American minority citizens, that's on you.



Rusty I don't quite care what ISIS hate America for. A group that uses cold blooded killing of innocent people as it's way of engaging with disagreements with America is not getting legitimised by me as having some serious role to play in American politics.
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Their agenda is obvious.



What is also fucking obvious is that Trump will help their radicalization efforts immensely.
 
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RustyNails

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Audioboxer said:
Rusty I don't quite care what ISIS hate America for. A group that uses cold blooded killing of innocent people as it's way of engaging with disagreements with America is not getting legitimised by me as having some serious role to play in American politics.
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You have to care what they hate you for: invading Arab lands, having military bases there, overthrowing their leaders, playing favorites between parties, being the lapdog of Israel, etc. You don't have to agree with their methods, but those are legitimate grievances shared by everyone in middle-east.
 
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RustyNails

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The Beard said:
So, droves of peaceful moderate Muslims will suddenly start killing/beheading innocent people, raping women and children, and looking to cause mass casualties?

I don't think so.
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You're wrong. You have no freaking clue about what's going on inside the conflict zones, do you?
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Fuck these dudes. If trump makes good on one campaign promise I hope it's to bomb the shit out of them.
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Which is exactly what Obama is doing?
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

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BernardoOne said:
It's not about "fear your right to vote".


It's about the fact that the Trump presidency is hugely advantageous to ISIS, way, way more than a Clinton presidency. As much as you'd likely to lalalalala around it, it's the truth. It's just one of the many things Trump will completely fuck up.
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BernardoOne said:
Their agenda is obvious.

What is also fucking obvious is that Trump will help their radicalization efforts immensely.
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Anyone who uses methods of brutally murdering to respond to disagreement deserves zero fucking respect to have any considered role in anything whatsoever. It shouldn't fucking matter what radicalises them more from the point of view America standing by democracy and the political system it has is far more important than than saying "we better think about the terrorists".

RustyNails said:
You have to care what they hate you for: invading Arab lands, having military bases there, overthrowing their leaders, playing favorites between parties, being the lapdog of Israel, etc. You don't have to agree with their methods, but those are legitimate grievances shared by everyone in middle-east.
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If that is the logic you want to live by then Trump isn't even President yet and hasn't made any of those decisions as of yet that you speak of. I don't say this to support Trump but point out the fallacy in you doing as the terrorists are. Conflating Trumps ridiculous outbursts with actual hard evidence of destruction such as Bush's illegal war.
 
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Colin.

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They would continue to portray the US as an enemy regardless of who won, but yeah.. The fact it's Trump makes it a whole lot easier for them. Plenty of soundbites, and material to work with for their propaganda already.
 
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