Itch.io shadow bans all adult games

Lmao no they're not. The leader is literally a full on conservative pro life christian.
This needs restating so people can get their heads out of their asses.

Its long been an axiom that politics is a circle and this is an example of that where the extremes start to agree on things for opposing reasons. Think the Nation of Islam and the KKK forming a tenetative alliance, or Bernie Sanders and Trump having similar viewpoints on tariffs.
 
Who wants to bet all the furry sex games are still there?


This.
Though - as being a furry myself -I cannot state that I know any furry sex games, the issue here is that young males playing these games start getting used to being called "master" by female anime characters with breasts that would need a mini crane to carry.

That way they're getting exaggerated expectations on females and once they see a real one, they don't want them anymore - it's not just bad for females, it's also bad for themselves.

Let's face it: The feedback cycle is completely broken here. These are likely games 100% created by males for males. In gaming design there should both sexes (not feminists, activists, diversity officers or anything like) be involved for a great product!

The way it is with these pornographic products the divide between males and females will only become bigger.
 
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Though I cannot state that I know any furry sex games,
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Though I cannot state that I know any furry sex games, the issue here is that young males playing these games start getting used to being called "master" by female anime characters with breasts that would need a mini crane to carry.

That way they're getting exaggerated expectations on females and once they see a real one, they don't want them anymore - it's not just bad for females, it's also bad for themselves.

Let's face it: The feedback cycle is completely broken here. These are likely games 100% created by males for males. In gaming design there should both sexes (not feminists, activists, diversity officers or anything like) be involved for a great product!

That way the divide between males and females will only become bigger.
With that avatar?

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just furry-fucking with you :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

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Itch's statement on X was community noted with a claim that Itch has gone as far as to remove some games from the libraries of people that bought them without providing a refund, this is an even bigger escalation if true


This is, to me at least, the worst part. It's one thing to remove a game from sale, but it's another thing entirely to memory hole shit that people have already bought. Which is part of the reason I'm so insistent on DRM-free content. Fortunately, itch is DRM-free (though I'm sure people would've liked some warning to back their stuff up), but this is still poor form for any platform, and would be pretty terrible if adopted by Steam or EGS.
 
"Free Speech," at least in the USA protects your right to criticise the government. It does not protect your right to say anything you want, anytime you want.
This is false btw. The First Amendment, specifically, prevents the government from punishing you for saying anything that doesn't put anyone in imminent danger or causes material harm based on a falsehood.
Free Speech as a concept which exists outside of the First Amendment is about having societal standards where people accept speech they don't like without trying to punish people for it (for example, say, exactly what's happening here).
Beyond that, as far as I can tell, the government isn't involved here. It's private corporations deciding the sort of products they do and do not want to process payments for.
It is theoretically illegal in the US for companies with a certain market share to take anti-consumer actions. However that's down to the FTC actually filing suit for it.
 
They can also do it digitally via Bitcoin and the transaction would not be stopped by anyone. Regardless of media format. This is a greater issue with Payment processors doing major overreach and using their power to make EVEN VALVE bend the knee.

This keeps up the way it is I can see small time devs accepting bitcoin for direct download off their own servers.

Is it overreach though?
 
This is false btw. The First Amendment, specifically, prevents the government from punishing you for saying anything that doesn't put anyone in imminent danger or causes material harm based on a falsehood.
Free Speech as a concept which exists outside of the First Amendment is about having societal standards where people accept speech they don't like without trying to punish people for it (for example, say, exactly what's happening here).

It is theoretically illegal in the US for companies with a certain market share to take anti-consumer actions. However that's down to the FTC actually filing suit for it.

But that doesn't mean corporations can't have a say in there "speech". Corporations are people too
According to America's Supreme Court.
 
But that doesn't mean corporations can't have a say in there "speech". Corporations are people too
According to America's Supreme Court.
  1. That's not the actual holding from Citizens United. It's that associations of people (which corporations are by definition) don't lose free speech protections.
  2. Citizens United is not relevant at all to if Visa is violating anti-trust laws.
 
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The second quote from proves that the "puritanical" label is properly applied and warranted. Your argument based on your rigid moral view is the textbook definition of puritanical.
Nah, your definition of puritan and mine are very different, that's all. To me it means not allowing any sexiness or nudity, and since I don't oppose those things I can't be a pruitan. You and your ilk on the other hand, think a puritan is anybody who isn't into degenracies like pedo loli incest rape shit. That's not a puritan, that just a normal, decent human being.
 
  1. That's not the actual holding from Citizens United. It's that associations of people (which corporations are by definition) don't lose free speech protections.
  2. Citizens United is not relevant at all to if Visa is violating anti-trust laws.

Well....of course. I wasn't talking literally. I was speaking of the general concept of Citizens United. Couldn't Itch-io still use things like PayPal?

Where are the digital-only missionaries to answer why this is happening?!

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Where are the digital-only missionaries to answer why this is happening?!
Because a three-people team in japan would most definitely find success trying to sell physical porn games world-wide.

The vast majority of the games being affected by this wouldn't even exist without digital distribution methods. So much so that, even now, they still have infinitely more chances of surviving by finding alternative hosting sites and payment methods than they would have trying to go physical. Heck, the card companies could still block physical purchases if they tried to sell them through the internet.
 
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PayPal are in the same bed as Visa/Mastercard
Cant they use a made up currency? For example, Nutaku is a digital store that only sells and distribute adult games. While most games there are free 2 play, they also sell premium games and give you an option to use credit card or Nutaku Gold that is the site currency used to purchase stuff in the free 2 play games. Steam already has the Steam Wallet, so instead of buying a game directly with a visa or mastercard, could not steam just force you to use the steam wallet funds if steam is ok with the content but Visa/Mastercard isent?

If a payment processor complained that they dont like a certain game for certain reasons, instead of removing the game, they could just remove that particular payment processor from the option to purchase that particular game.
 
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Cant they use a made up currency? For example, Nutaku is a digital store that only sells and distribute adult games. While most games there are free 2 play, they also sell premium games and give you an option to use credit card or Nutaku Gold that is the site currency used to purchase stuff in the free 2 play games. Steam already has the Steam Wallet, so instead of buying a game directly with a visa or mastercard, could not steam just force you to use the steam wallet funds if steam is ok with the content but Visa/Mastercard isent?
Nutaku removed a number of games in autumn last year, so they weren't immune to payment processor influence. Wouldn't surprise me to find out they got a C&D as well.

The only way to avoid this is to do it the Japanese way: have two completely separate sites, which share a virtual currency. You can only buy currency on the main site, but can use that currency to buy stuff from the "after dark" one as well.
 
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PayPal are in the same bed as Visa/Mastercard
I got the impression PayPal act the same because Visa/Mastercard tells them to, not because they ideologically agree.

At least that's what I got from stories where PayPal stopped delivering services in the past(citing they had to stop because their payment processors pressured them).
 
I got the impression PayPal act the same because Visa/Mastercard tells them to, not because they ideologically agree.

At least that's what I got from stories where PayPal stopped delivering services in the past(citing they had to stop because their payment processors pressured them).
Doubtful - for example you can use Visa and Mastercard to buy vape products whereas PayPal have completely banned them.
 
GOOD!!!! This is what happens when gamers and companies collectively agree that a digital-only system is the future. Now you feel the down side and the pain of it all. If games were still physical, these companies would be able to sell them to you directly and ship you the game on a disc.
That's an incredibly stupid take.
This issue is not limited to "digital-only" content.
In the moment certain type of media won't be able to be sold in general, physical distribution will be effected as well.

Incidentally the first time this topic presented itself (credit card companies overstepping their boundaries and deciding what they could or could not censure) it was few months ago and it was about the import in western countries of Japanese manga and anime. Not about digital games.
 
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A giant yes on that one. Paypal is worse than either in my experience. Paypal is very woke as well in my experience and that includes their application of their acceptable use policy. There is no way paypal is saving us from this.
yep, haven't there been reports of PayPal debanking people for years now? basically if they decide they don't like you they very well can lock your account down and even freeze what funds you might have had in your PayPal account at the time
 
To me it just going to speed up the usage of crypto exchange to replace payment systems. The people at Visa and Mastercard are going to kill their own business, and they deserve it.
 
You're right that they should have been more proactive with moderation. One of the many things Steam drops is always dropping the ball on.

But their business would not have imploded. Steam revenue last year was over $10 billion dollars. That's on a 30% cut of transactions, so they're processing over $30 billion dollars a year.

That's not nothing. That's more than enough leverage to push back.
The vast majority of that income is reliant on having Visa/Mastercard support though. Losing even one of them could cripple the business.
 
Lmao no they're not. The leader is literally a full on conservative pro life christian.
You aren't being entirely fair here. Collective Shout is an organization from Australia. If you go to their website, their primary stated goal is to "eliminate the objectification of women and their sexual exploitation." They complain about porn on Musk's site and Andrew Tate's "pimping on Spotify." Their entire team are women. Among other things. Not exactly modern conservative talking points.

Also there is a bill in the US Senate, designed to restrict payment processors from refusing to do business with those who comply with the law. This bill has been co-sponsored by 43 politicians- all conservatives.
 
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To me it just going to speed up the usage of crypto exchange to replace payment systems. The people at Visa and Mastercard are going to kill their own business, and they deserve it.
The problem is that it would also kill banks (which would be neat as well) and banks have a pretty strong lobby around the world, and they whine like little bitches about crypto all the time.
 
I'm surprised how much the internet is backlashing agaisn't this decision, i never since so many leftist subreddits bashing agaisnt a single feminist group.

Guess you can take away hot female characters from video games, but not people's porn lmao
 
Doubtful - for example you can use Visa and Mastercard to buy vape products whereas PayPal have completely banned them.
It's all about how much leeway your compliance department gives you.

Visa and Mastercard simply do not want to see a government official knocking on one of their doors asking why they allowed the transaction of incest games on their platform. This is a preventative move on their parts too.
 
You aren't being entirely fair here. Collective Shout is an organization from Australia. If you go to their website, their primary stated goal is to "eliminate the objectification of women and their sexual exploitation." They complain about porn on Musk's site and Andrew Tate's "pimping on Spotify." Among other things. Not exactly modern conservative talking points.

Also there is a bill in the US Senate, designed to restrict payment processors from refusing to do business with those who comply with the law. This bill has been co-sponsored by 43 politicians- all conservatives.

I'm being entirely fair. Yeah, you can maybe put them down as radical feminists from the old style of leftist libertarianism. Doesn't change the fact that their whole crusade against porn is a prominent goal of far right conservatism. Going after sex workers or sites like OnlyFans is not a leftist or liberal MO.

That bill has fuck all to do with AO content nor has anything to do with payment processes. The banks aren't the issue.
 
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1. "Collective shout" will become known across the net. People and payment processors need to be aware of these people's bullshit before it spreads.
2. We must use gaming's and twitter's bully pulpit. Try to get them to ease off a bit. Normalize people changing companies over losing their freedom instead of ninnies getting mad over nudity.
3. Immediately start working on competitors for the platforms and payment systems that kowtow to this bullshit. We need crypto.
4. Payments should be private and "collective shout" should stay out of our shopping carts and bank accounts. Payment processors should not be the defacto morality police in any world. This is a travesty but our path forward is clear.
 
A giant yes on that one. Paypal is worse than either in my experience. Paypal is very woke as well in my experience and that includes their application of their acceptable use policy. There is no way paypal is saving us from this.

Well.....that's not good lol.
 
Basically, anything that promotes the idea of human sexuality and procreation, be it implicit or implied, is to be discouraged in the modern age, by certain powers that be. Powers that have majority shareholder control over publishers, mind.
 
I'm surprised how much the internet is backlashing agaisn't this decision, i never since so many leftist subreddits bashing agaisnt a single feminist group.

Guess you can take away hot female characters from video games, but not people's porn lmao
this is the hilarious part, back then banning porn is a very conservative move, nowadays though some group from the left also started doing it, starting from female character design in games. So there's some people that's stuck in the middle like me that just started hating both sides lol.

Don't screw with my video games!!!
 
The Puritans are Coming!
The Puritans are Coming!

They wont stop here.
This is just the beginning.

We have to stand up to this Authoitarian Nonsense before the only content we are allowed to consume is Bible games and Goverment supported Propoganda.
 
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next stop for those conservatives: M-rated games/movies. smh

Freedom of speech never was unlimited, nowhere, and imho should not be. But payment processors should not decide. They should just do what the name says: process payments. Anything that is legal in the involved countries. And that might differ very much. Americans ideas of what is right should not limit international companies operations in other countries, while Germany's views on free speech should not limit stuff that is happening in America, same as eg the muslim world and Japan will have different limits.
 
I'm a pretty big advocate for just putting all the people people responsible and their supporters regardless of job, sex, political ideology, religious affiliation, ethnicity, sexual preference, or whether they prefer cats or dogs on a boat and then sinking said boat and blaming it on piracy.
 
Got this weird feeling with a lot of these kind of things is trying to prep younger/healthier folk down a narrow minded more controlled way to do another Iraq/middle east esque war invasion down the line like in the early 2000s.
 
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