Itch.io shadow bans all adult games

That's a shame because Visa & Master card don't want you buying gooner games.
And I'm saying precisely that it's not their job to question where I spend my money on.

This is setting a very dangerous precedent.
Today is about anime and "gooner games" (to use your retarded lingo), tomorrow could be whatever the fuck they want to ban.
 
Playing Devil's Advocate, if you believe in a free-market system, then payment processors should be able to decide which companies they do business with. You shouldn't be able to force them to process payments from companies they don't want to work with.
Yes, 100% true. On the flipside, some tech companies have reached a point where the "public interest" in how they do their business is so high it becomes difficult to see them as just another pub where the innkeeper has decided not to allow people with yellow socks in. When everyone and their mom uses service A to do something, it's no longer just another business you can easily avoid - especially when we're talking about de-facto monopolies on a global scale. I don't know.
 
It's pretty fucked up that the payment processor duopoly has the right to tell companies what can and cannot be sold. They should not have that right. As long as the content does not violate any laws, it should be fair game for people to purchase, even if others may find it distasteful.
 
Some of you guys don't realize how bad you look when you call people "puritans" just because they aren't overly bothered by the removal of pedo incest rape games.
 
Some of you guys don't realize how bad you look when you call people "puritans" just because they aren't overly bothered by the removal of pedo incest rape games.
and you people don't realize if you let the government, corporation, people to push you around and ban things for you then the end goal is something like china where you need government Id just to register for games.
free speech has always been about speech that you don't like and speech that is controversial and taboo.

keyword: slippery slope

no matter how degenerate the theme is, at the end of the day its just a video game, its fiction and no one is getting harm. If incest in games are as bad as incest irl then murder in games should also as bad as doing it irl
 
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and you people don't realize if you let the government, corporation, people to push you around and ban things for you then the end goal is something like china where you need government Id just to register for games.
free speech has always been about speech that you don't like and speech that is controversial and taboo.

keyword: slippery slope
"Free Speech," at least in the USA protects your right to criticise the government. It does not protect your right to say anything you want, anytime you want.

Beyond that, as far as I can tell, the government isn't involved here. It's private corporations deciding the sort of products they do and do not want to process payments for.

A group of concerned citizens convinced payment processors that it wasn't in their best interest to continue to process payments for a certain type of entertainment. Do I think that's silly? Yes. Do I think that gooners should be able to purchase gooner games? Sure. However, what is happening here is a prime example of how the free market is supposed to work, so as a supporter of unbridled capitalism and the free market, I can't get too upset.

The lesson to be learned here is that small groups of vocal people can make a difference. If they cared to, fans of these games could easily organize and start a counter-campaign to convince payment processors to reverse their decisions. If that sort of campaign would be successful or not remains to be seen.
 
They aren't a literal monopoly (or Duopoly I guess) in that they don't control 100% of the market, but they have enough to exert significant control on the market. Antitrust laws typically don't require a company to actually have all the market, like how MS was sued for monopolizing the market even though alternatives existed.
And let's be real, sure, they exist as an alternative, but can a digital storefront like Steam realistically do business if they cut out Visa/MC? How many people outside the US even have an AmEx or Discover card? They'd also have to cut off PayPal too, because PayPal can't afford to lose Visa/MC either.
Visa and Mastercard control 90% of all payments (outside of China):



So yeah there is no doubt, that these two companies needs to be kept in check when it comes to their power. I have never seen a more clearer anti trust case than this one. And no, if you are THAT big...you dont have the freedom to decide with whom you want to work together. Choose either your comfortable monopoly position and accept that there are legal goods traded which not everyone likes ....or just get dismantled? 🤷‍♂️ Just imagine if these games would be sold physically....no one could interfere. Why is it than possible to do this if you are buying online? Its like two different sets of rules here for one and the same thing.
 
Just imagine if these games would be sold physically....no one could interfere
Nothing is preventing that from happening now.

A developer of these games could easily rent a PO Box and accept cash/check/money order and send customers a copy of their game on DVD or BluRay ROM.

You may not be old enough to remember it, but that's how the majority of shareware was sold back in the day. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's how I got my copy of the full version of Commander Keen. Apogee used to sell all of their software like that.
 
Statement made by Itch.io:
Article:
We have "deindexed" all adult NSFW content from our browse and search pages. We understand this action is sudden and disruptive, and we are truly sorry for the frustration and confusion caused by this change.

Recently, we came under scrutiny from our payment processors regarding the nature of some content hosted on itch.io. Due to a game titled No Mercy, which was temporarily available on itch.io before being banned back in April, the organization Collective Shout launched a campaign against Steam and itch.io, directing concerns to our payment processors about the nature of certain content found on both platforms.

Our ability to process payments is critical for every creator on our platform. To ensure that we can continue to operate and provide a marketplace for all developers, we must prioritize our relationship with our payment partners and take immediate steps towards compliance.

This is a time critical moment for itch.io. The situation developed rapidly, and we had to act urgently to protect the platform's core payment infrastructure. Unfortunately, this meant it was not realistic to provide creators with advance notice before making this change. We know this is not ideal, and we apologize for the abruptness of this change.

We are currently conducting a comprehensive audit of content to ensure we can meet the requirements of our payment processors. Pages will remain deindexed as we complete our review. Once this review is complete, we will introduce new compliance measures. For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.

Part of this review will see some pages being permanently removed from itch.io. Affected accounts will be notified via their account's email address from our support address. You can reply to that email if you have any follow up questions.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we navigate this challenging period. I'm sorry we can not share more at this time as we are still getting a full understanding of the situation ourselves. We will post a follow up on our blog if the situation changes.

Thank you.
 
Some of you guys don't realize how bad you look when you call people "puritans" just because they aren't overly bothered by the removal of pedo incest rape games.


And you dont realize how NOT-VERY-SMART you look if you think they will stop at that.

Or that this mess is about "pedos" while the Epstein list "doesnt exist".

How fucking blind and disingenous you can be.
 
Nothing is preventing that from happening now.

A developer of these games could easily rent a PO Box and accept cash/check/money order and send customers a copy of their game on DVD or BluRay ROM.

You may not be old enough to remember it, but that's how the majority of shareware was sold back in the day. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's how I got my copy of the full version of Commander Keen. Apogee used to sell all of their software like that.
Ofc we can go back to those times and selling 100gb+ games on physical media? But why? Just because of Visa/Mastercard putting their values above law? Thats hilarious.
 
Just because of Visa/Mastercard putting their values above law?
What law is Visa/Mastercard breaking here?

They are a private company that has decided not to process payments for a certain type of good. They aren't breaking any laws.

PS - you can argue until you're blue in the face about "muh monopoly" and "muh anti-trust laws" but those aren't in play here currently, and probably never will be.
 
Lame…Some actually great adult games out there too…Honestly the devs are going to have to release the games with zero adult content and just host a 'patch' on their own site or something. For now at least.
 
Statement made by Itch.io:
Article:
We have "deindexed" all adult NSFW content from our browse and search pages. We understand this action is sudden and disruptive, and we are truly sorry for the frustration and confusion caused by this change.

Recently, we came under scrutiny from our payment processors regarding the nature of some content hosted on itch.io. Due to a game titled No Mercy, which was temporarily available on itch.io before being banned back in April, the organization Collective Shout launched a campaign against Steam and itch.io, directing concerns to our payment processors about the nature of certain content found on both platforms.

Our ability to process payments is critical for every creator on our platform. To ensure that we can continue to operate and provide a marketplace for all developers, we must prioritize our relationship with our payment partners and take immediate steps towards compliance.

This is a time critical moment for itch.io. The situation developed rapidly, and we had to act urgently to protect the platform's core payment infrastructure. Unfortunately, this meant it was not realistic to provide creators with advance notice before making this change. We know this is not ideal, and we apologize for the abruptness of this change.

We are currently conducting a comprehensive audit of content to ensure we can meet the requirements of our payment processors. Pages will remain deindexed as we complete our review. Once this review is complete, we will introduce new compliance measures. For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.

Part of this review will see some pages being permanently removed from itch.io. Affected accounts will be notified via their account's email address from our support address. You can reply to that email if you have any follow up questions.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we navigate this challenging period. I'm sorry we can not share more at this time as we are still getting a full understanding of the situation ourselves. We will post a follow up on our blog if the situation changes.

Thank you.
remember when people were saying that No Mercy was unique and if they just capitulated it would stop there? well ends up those of us warning about the slippery slope then were right… and I say that as someone who thought the game was creepy as fuck

edit: this will continue because they're obviously trying to build up momentum, first it was No Mercy, then it was a shit ton more things this week, those of you dismissing this eventually they'll go after something you do care about
 
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What law is Visa/Mastercard breaking here?

They are a private company that has decided not to process payments for a certain type of good. They aren't breaking any laws.

PS - you can argue until you're blue in the face about "muh monopoly" and "muh anti-trust laws" but those aren't in play here currently, and probably never will be.
I think Japan is already pulling the anti trust law card against Visa at least. 🤷‍♂️ If more countries do that...lets see how this plays out. I wouldnt even care if these companies are getting banned themselves in as many as countries as possible. Than they can enforce whatever they want. As I said....they should be happy that they are holding this monopoly. If they start to fuck around...this monopoly needs to be taken away....simple as that.
 
Statement made by Itch.io:
Article:
We have "deindexed" all adult NSFW content from our browse and search pages. We understand this action is sudden and disruptive, and we are truly sorry for the frustration and confusion caused by this change.

Recently, we came under scrutiny from our payment processors regarding the nature of some content hosted on itch.io. Due to a game titled No Mercy, which was temporarily available on itch.io before being banned back in April, the organization Collective Shout launched a campaign against Steam and itch.io, directing concerns to our payment processors about the nature of certain content found on both platforms.

Our ability to process payments is critical for every creator on our platform. To ensure that we can continue to operate and provide a marketplace for all developers, we must prioritize our relationship with our payment partners and take immediate steps towards compliance.

This is a time critical moment for itch.io. The situation developed rapidly, and we had to act urgently to protect the platform's core payment infrastructure. Unfortunately, this meant it was not realistic to provide creators with advance notice before making this change. We know this is not ideal, and we apologize for the abruptness of this change.

We are currently conducting a comprehensive audit of content to ensure we can meet the requirements of our payment processors. Pages will remain deindexed as we complete our review. Once this review is complete, we will introduce new compliance measures. For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.

Part of this review will see some pages being permanently removed from itch.io. Affected accounts will be notified via their account's email address from our support address. You can reply to that email if you have any follow up questions.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we navigate this challenging period. I'm sorry we can not share more at this time as we are still getting a full understanding of the situation ourselves. We will post a follow up on our blog if the situation changes.

Thank you.
really sounds like a memo that you would find on Cyberpunk 2077 where corpo controls everything 😂😂😂
 
Don't forget, the organization that is brigading Visa and Mastercard to force stores to remove games they don't like defended actual real life pedophilia in the form of the obscene Netflix movie Cuties. The movie that had over 600 little girls twerking for the directors and producers.

They hate digital, fake lewd things, but they LOVE pedophilia.

Edit: they've also tried banning normal games in the past too. If they had their way, no one would get to play GTA.
 
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No one should have the power and say on what you can and cannot buy when that thing is legal. If they want to go full puritan, then ban all adult content from Porn sites, safe-porn, smut, everything just to make everyone mad at once and vocal about how stupid this movement is.

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Shimoneta, of all stupid animes out there was to be taken as a parody to what a censor trigger-happy a world like that could be. Now, we have arrived at that world, little by little.
 
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remember when people were saying that No Mercy was unique and if they just capitulated it would stop there? well ends up those of us warning about the slippery slope then were right… and I say that as someone who thought the game was creepy as fuck

edit: this will continue because they're obviously trying to build up momentum, first it was No Mercy, then it was a shit ton more things this week, those of you dismissing this eventually they'll go after something you do care about
Yeah, fuck that creepy game. But fuck moral policing 1000% times more. This goes beyond any culture war shit-flinging IMO, this is straight up old-fashioned censorship. Everyone should be against this.

With the kind of grip Visa/MC has on the market it's wild that they can make up their own rules as to what the fuck their customers uses their money on. If it's lawful then they shouldn't have a say.

This is going to get worse unless either they get a massive amount of push back, governing bodies steps in or someone with deeeeep pockets challenges them in court.
 
So what the hell can people do to stop this? It's only going to get much worse if we don't.

Can we cancel credit cards? Is there a cryptocurrency solution? Is there some other lesser known payment processor that can swoop in?

I couldn't care less if I can't buy some highly questionable game, what I care about is what comes after that.
 
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So what the hell can people do to stop this? It's only going to get much worse if we don't.

Can we cancel credit cards? Is there a cryptocurrency solution? Is there some other lesser known payment processor that can swoop in?

Alternative payment methods sadly, and making an alternative websites

Honestly, since this was caused by an Australian gruop, they are going to get harassed into oblivion.
 
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So what the hell can people do to stop this? It's only going to get much worse if we don't.

Can we cancel credit cards? Is there a cryptocurrency solution? Is there some other lesser known payment processor that can swoop in?

I couldn't care less if I can't buy some highly questionable game, what I care about is what comes after that.
Ye same thing happened with over a decade ago with Julian Assange so people ended up donating them bitcoin rather than sending currency donations via Paypal/ Visa/Mastercard and now the guy is a multimillionaire

No doubt about it once Bitcoin hits $ parody this will happen across a lot of services.
 
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I think it would be an interesting experiment for people to organize, join Collective Shout, and push them to call for censorship of any game that promotes transgenderism, homosexuality, polyamory, etc...

It's just a hunch, but I think you'd very quickly see the core of Collective Shout push back against this and make all sorts of excuses as to why that content is acceptable and needs to be protected.

The organization seems to have roped in some evangelical support going after its current targets, but something tells me that their long-term goal is about pushing an ideology that most evangelicals wouldn't approve of.

Again, just a hunch.
 
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I think it would be an interesting experiment for people to organize, join Collective Shout, and push them to call for censorship of any game that promotes transgenderism, homosexuality, polyamory, etc...

It's just a hunch, but I think you'd very quickly see the core of Collective Shout push back against this and make all sorts of excuses as to why that content is acceptable and needs to be protected.

The organization seems to have roped in some evangelical support going after its current targets, but something tells me that their long-term goal is about pushing an ideology that most evangelicals wouldn't approve of.

Again, just a hunch.
Sadly shouting about it won't actually do anything, The only work around is using a money that no one can stop the transaction of.
 


Itch's statement on X was community noted with a claim that Itch has gone as far as to remove some games from the libraries of people that bought them without providing a refund, this is an even bigger escalation if true
 
Can we cancel credit cards? Is there a cryptocurrency solution? Is there some other lesser known payment processor that can swoop in?
My bank is offering me exactly two options: a visa credit card or no credit card. People acting like this is just some "use something different"-case are delusional. And in the end alternatives doesnt really help, when stores are bullied to take off legal goods at all. Its also not guaranteed, that other payment processors just dont do the same. I am really not a huge fan of government regulations, but this is something which needs to be sort out by higher forces I guess.
 
I think it would be an interesting experiment for people to organize, join Collective Shout, and push them to call for censorship of any game that promotes transgenderism, homosexuality, polyamory, etc...

It's just a hunch, but I think you'd very quickly see the core of Collective Shout push back against this and make all sorts of excuses as to why that content is acceptable and needs to be protected.

The organization seems to have roped in some evangelical support going after its current targets, but something tells me that their long-term goal is about pushing an ideology that most evangelicals wouldn't approve of.

Again, just a hunch.

The group didn't rope in evangelical support. They are evangelicals.
 
Waiting for Apple to integrate blockchain and crypto into the wallet app. So far it's only regular plain ole everyday everywhere payment processors.
America also needs to get on the Digital ID thing, only 8 states currently have it. Car locks integrated into cellphones as standard. Let me leave the house with just my phone.
 
And you dont realize how NOT-VERY-SMART you look if you think they will stop at that.

Or that this mess is about "pedos" while the Epstein list "doesnt exist".

How fucking blind and disingenous you can be.

and you people don't realize if you let the government, corporation, people to push you around and ban things for you then the end goal is something like china where you need government Id just to register for games.
free speech has always been about speech that you don't like and speech that is controversial and taboo.

keyword: slippery slope

no matter how degenerate the theme is, at the end of the day its just a video game, its fiction and no one is getting harm. If incest in games are as bad as incest irl then murder in games should also as bad as doing it irl
I was waiting for the "muh slippery slope" and "it's just a game bro, it's not real" responses. It's like saying outlawing rape is a slippery slope to outlawing sex. It's not. Real or not, only a degenerate would play those sick games and I'm 100% anti-degenerate, so if something pisses them off and doesn't affect me, I can only take it as a positive. This is happening because almost nobody wants to push back against it, plain and simple. If they tried to ban something of value, people would actually push back.
 
If they didn't acquiesce then they would have had to deal with their entire business imploding.

The correct answer would have been to actually moderate your content and correctly age-gate it BEFORE it gets released.
You're right that they should have been more proactive with moderation. One of the many things Steam drops is always dropping the ball on.

But their business would not have imploded. Steam revenue last year was over $10 billion dollars. That's on a 30% cut of transactions, so they're processing over $30 billion dollars a year.

That's not nothing. That's more than enough leverage to push back.
 
Any digital store accepts that?because it seems that is the only place those creators can migrate to.
In fact, Steam previously accepted Bitcoin as a payment method until pressure from similar influential figures led to its ban, leaving only payment providers under their total control.
 
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GOOD!!!! This is what happens when gamers and companies collectively agree that a digital-only system is the future. Now you feel the down side and the pain of it all. If games were still physical, these companies would be able to sell them to you directly and ship you the game on a disc.
 
When Payment Processors banned Alex Jones infowars and other "Extreme" groups from being able to buy and sell, no one raised an eyebrow, they encouraged it.

People who said it's a slippery slope and payment processors should not be arbiters of what is discussed, seen bought or sold were called sympathizers and dragged in the mud.

The people pushing back against payment processor censorship were right.


I think porn games for kids are bad, but it's not like you can't go anywhere on the net and see shit. That box has already been opened. Thing is payment processors are a utility. Imagine your phone company or isp listening in and stopping service because they don't like what you say. Same thing.

If countries vote to have products banned or regulation ala id for adult content or some adult content outright banned, that is fine. It is in their right to do so, but payment processors shouldn't have this power.
No one elected them. Also they have shown in the past few years that they can de-bank individuals. Its horrible. Also Steam and itch.io should be able to make the decision themselves, they shouldn't be, pressured or essentially "blackmailed" to do it.
 
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The monopoly thing is a whole separate issue, although I think you could probably argue that they aren't a monopoly because AmEx and Discover exist and offer an alternative to Visa/MC payment processing.
And how long before social media pressure campaigns by sjws(woke-left) or rwnj's(woke-right) target those groups? In this case it's bi-partisan and short-sighted.
I don't approve of incest and rape, games or not, but that should be up to steam to sell or not. They shouldn't be forced by payment processors. The same one's who have int he past 7 years "unbanked" people and companies after being pressured.
 
Some of you guys don't realize how bad you look when you call people "puritans" just because they aren't overly bothered by the removal of pedo incest rape games.

Real or not, only a degenerate would play those sick games and I'm 100% anti-degenerate, so if something pisses them off and doesn't affect me, I can only take it as a positive.

The second quote from proves that the "puritanical" label is properly applied and warranted. Your argument based on your rigid moral view is the textbook definition of puritanical.
 
Don't forget, the organization that is brigading Visa and Mastercard to force stores to remove games they don't like defended actual real life pedophilia in the form of the obscene Netflix movie Cuties. The movie that had over 600 little girls twerking for the directors and producers.

They hate digital, fake lewd things, but they LOVE pedophilia.

Edit: they've also tried banning normal games in the past too. If they had their way, no one would get to play GTA.
Thank you for reminding me why I've kept netflix cancelled
 
Who wants to bet all the furry sex games are still there?
Probably are. You can still search for Gay, Lesbian, LGBT, Yaoi, Yuri stuff on there under their tag search bar thing.

I'm reading this whole thing snowballed from one super creepy messed up game that IMO should of never seen the light of day or at least should of been reviewed and verified if it should be published at all first. Should of just banned the one game and called it a day. Now it's a powder keg.

It's going to be an interesting week.
 
Taking purchased from people's libraries should be illegal and that's where Stop Killing Games should focus instead of unfeasible post mortem private servers support
 
GOOD!!!! This is what happens when gamers and companies collectively agree that a digital-only system is the future. Now you feel the down side and the pain of it all. If games were still physical, these companies would be able to sell them to you directly and ship you the game on a disc.
They can also do it digitally via Bitcoin and the transaction would not be stopped by anyone. Regardless of media format. This is a greater issue with Payment processors doing major overreach and using their power to make EVEN VALVE bend the knee.

This keeps up the way it is I can see small time devs accepting bitcoin for direct download off their own servers.
 
This is awful. I'm not about to act unaffected by this. I'm pissed tf off, but really I'm not sure what I can do. I wish I could invest money to shut this shit down but I'm just one man. Could crypto save us? Elon?
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