Its official: Apple just bought Beats for $3 Billion

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I honestly don't consider these kinds of things usually. I assume they bought them because they wanted them. If that is because they want people to think they look cool, who fucking cares. ?
I was asking you to consider it. I don't care if people are vain and shallow, but when people call me out for saying "people are vain and shallow" then I expect some kind of defence other than "I don't care". You care enough to keep responding, but without providing any rebuttal to anything I've said.
 
It's official: Jony Ive's team will be designing these joints

http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/28/beats-parts-ways-with-design-firm-as-apple-takes-over-its-hardware/



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HYPE!

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that's...pretty fucking cool.

now who will be doing audio quality control
 
I was asking you to consider it. I don't care if people are vain and shallow, but when people call me out for saying "people are vain and shallow" then I expect some kind of defence other than "I don't care". You care enough to keep responding, but without providing any rebuttal to anything I've said.

I think you're vein because you're calling out people for buying things. You're hung up on why they bought them. Is that not vein? Do you not think higher of yourself over these poor uneducated souls who mistakenly bought inferior headphones and now must carry the burden of shame? Despite the fact they might be exactly what they wanted?

Have fun idling way, I came here to enjoy the salt, not consume and become it.
 
Controversial statement ahead: Beats deserve every bit of success they've achieved up to this point.

They identified a demand for higher quality headphones that was not being properly met at the time by existing high-end headphone manufacturers. Before Beats came around, the only places where you could actually demo quality headphones were at brand-specific speciality retail stores in larger malls like Bose, Sharper Image, or Bang & Olufsen. In larger chain stores where the vast majority of people shopped for electronics (Best Buy, WalMart, Sears, fye, even Apple stores), they rarely stocked those high-end headphones and whatever was for sale or being demoed was mediocre at best.

The effect is that most people, even those who would be interested in paying for much better headphones than they currently owned, likely never knew what they were missing. And the only way one could come across high-end headphones were if they actively seeked them out, because the market at large thought that only a small niche were interested in paying several hundreds of dollars for high-end headphones. Those manufacturers were happy not marketing and waiting for people to come to them rather than trying to appeal to a larger audience.

So Beats makes a huge investment into a distinctive design and marketing to make the product seem fashionable to a broader audience, but more importantly, getting demo stations into as many stores as possible. To many people, trying on a pair of Beats at a demo station in Best Buy or wherever was the first experience they had with anything approaching a quality pair of headphones, and to those people, Beats were revolutionary. While the marketing, celebrity endorsements, and the fashion statement elements of Beats certainly helped, it only helped because the core product was solid and to many people, was worth the money. All the advertising and celebrity endorsements in the world wouldn't do much if Beats didn't sound much better than whatever you got for free with your phone or MP3 player.

Sure, there always were (and still are) several headphone manufacturers that routinely make headphones with vastly better build quality and demonstrably more accurate sound reproduction with a smaller price tag than Beats can. For people who are willing to go out of their way to do some research and don't derive any value from the fashion statement aspect that Beats have, there are plenty of better products on the market. But if those manufacturers are unwilling to put their products in front of people in the way Beats does, then to most people (people who want to try before they buy or haven't been convinced of any reason to spend three figures on headphones), those other manufacturers might as well not exist. The fact that Beats has carved out roughly 70% of the high-end headphone market and grew that market significantly pretty much by itself in the past five years proves that.

At a time when the conventional wisdom across the entire electronics industry was that only a tiny niche of customers actually cared about sound quality, the people behind Beats believed differently and put a lot of money on the line to properly prove it. Hell, even Apple bet against it. They easily could've been selling $500 headphones for years had they put the work in, but they never did.

I never used Beats headphones but Beats Music is great, IMO the best music streaming service right now.

Yet another reason for Apple to buy Beats. Apple has a long history of buying up smaller upstart music services (I miss you LaLa) just to get rid of future competition, and Beats Music is a strong service that could have been serious competition to iTunes. It seems that Beats Music will still go on, but at least Apple won't be suffering for it.
 
If you don't care that much, stop doubling down on this. It's an absurd line of questioning and assumption.
I was simply asking a question. Can you not just answer it? Do you think that many people who buy Beats headphones do so because they care most about what other people think when they see them wearing them, and that they value that more than price and sound quality?
 
I understand it's the norm to hate on Beats, but Beats Music is actually really good. As a guy who is a huge fan of music, I was really impressed by Beats Music. The fact that Trent Reznor had a hand in the creation of it only makes sense, it's a quality product that people who have never used it like to shit on.
 
I was simply asking a question. Can you not just answer it? Do you think that many people who buy Beats headphones do so because they care most about what other people think when they see them wearing them, and that they value that more than price and sound quality?

The headphones are known for their stylish look.. of course many people weight that as part of their buying decision, as well as the popularity of the brand.

Same with just about every single thing you could buy to wear. People make decisions based on looks/brand recognition all the time.

The very obvious answer to your question is yes.
 
Lol that profit margin on beats is hilarious. Has to be the biggest ripoff I've ever seen.

So besides being the first rap billionaire is Dre also the swollest billionaire in the world?
 
Odd...is beats anything more than headphones? I'm sure their putting this tech in their phones and iPads but what the hell is 3 billion dollars worth...


Disney purchased Marvel and Star Wars for those prices that seemed worth it.

Headphones? Eh
 
Interesting. I didn't know enough about Beats to know someone else did their design. I would have thought Apple wanted that, too.
 
Lol that profit margin on beats is hilarious. Has to be the biggest ripoff I've ever seen.

They took a company wide BOM average and then used the retail price for a specific product. If I average out the BOM cost of every pair of Sennheisers and then pick the cheapest pair and go "look at how good of a deal these are!" how would you feel about that?
 
Your post is stupid. Who would say that Apple's products have shitty quality? You can say a lot of things, but quality?
Your post is very telling...I never said anything about quality. It's just a stupid purchase...

Think about what you could do with 3 billion dollars? Google for example is doing things like expanding the country's fiber optic network and developing driverless cars...they are inversting in things that will forever change how we see technology...Apple bought overpriced headphones.
 
Huh. You know I thought this deal made no sense but if Apple designs the hardware, internal and cosmetic, and drops the streaming part of the company, and rebrands them as "Apple," then it might actually be genius.

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying Beats?
 
Odd...is beats anything more than headphones? I'm sure their putting this tech in their phones and iPads but what the hell is 3 billion dollars worth...
Beats Audio is just an EQ preset. There's no tech to put into phones and tablets. There's just an EQ preset and a sticker to slap on the outside.
 
Sure, there always were (and still are) several headphone manufacturers that routinely make headphones with vastly better build quality and demonstrably more accurate sound reproduction with a smaller price tag than Beats can. For people who are willing to go out of their way to do some research and don't derive any value from the fashion statement aspect that Beats have, there are plenty of better products on the market. But if those manufacturers are unwilling to put their products in front of people in the way Beats does, then to most people (people who want to try before they buy or haven't been convinced of any reason to spend three figures on headphones), those other manufacturers might as well not exist. The fact that Beats has carved out roughly 70% of the high-end headphone market and grew that market significantly pretty much by itself in the past five years proves that.
I will remain eternally disappointed in AT, Denon, Sennheiser, Stax, AKG, Shure and everyone else who simply refuses to spend money on marketing. I don't expect them to try to keep up with Bose, Beats, B&O, Sony and others who are fighting for shelf space at Best Buy but jesus...you can at least spend enough to make sure a fair amount of people know you exist.

And really, I would have preferred Apple buy one of those companies rather than Beats. Companies like Audio Technica, Denon, Sennheiser, and Shure already have the products and the audio quality...they just don't have the finances (or aren't willing to commit the finances) to make their products household names. Apple could have probably scooped one of them up for similar or less money, let Ivy design a pretty shell around a few of those already existing earphones one of those companies has and really had something from day 1 that's really good.
 
I will remain eternally disappointed in AT, Denon, Sennheiser, Stax, AKG, Shure and everyone else who simply refuses to spend money on marketing. I don't expect them to try to keep up with Bose, Beats, B&O, Sony and others who are fighting for shelf space at Best Buy but jesus...you can at least spend enough to make sure a fair amount of people know you exist.

And really, I would have preferred Apple buy one of those companies rather than Beats. Companies like Audio Technica, Denon, Sennheiser, and Shure already have the products and the audio quality...they just don't have the finances (or aren't willing to commit the finances) to make their products household names. Apple could have probably scooped one of them up for similar or less money, let Ivy design a pretty shell around a few of those already existing earphones one of those companies has and really had something from day 1 that's really good.

Beats Music is a very important part of the deal that those companies can't really offer anything in comparison to.
 
Huh. You know I thought this deal made no sense but if Apple designs the hardware, internal and cosmetic, and drops the streaming part of the company, and rebrands them as "Apple," then it might actually be genius.

Perfect.
 
Odd...is beats anything more than headphones? I'm sure their putting this tech in their phones and iPads but what the hell is 3 billion dollars worth...


Disney purchased Marvel and Star Wars for those prices that seemed worth it.

Headphones? Eh

Look up Beats Music. It's a streaming service still in its infancy.

Your post is very telling...I never said anything about quality. It's just a stupid purchase...

Think about what you could do with 3 billion dollars? Google for example is doing things like expanding the country's fiber optic network and developing driverless cars...they are inversting in things that will forever change how we see technology...Apple bought overpriced headphones.

Apple bought money (through brand cachet and market share of Beats headphones), connections (to the music industry), and technology (Beats Music).
 
if you get lebron and all the other cool athletes to wear your product then everyone will follow.

Thats it. Now if they can find a way to reinvent the beats with something that can curb bootlegs, they will be golden. You just know that is the first thing they will do. I am thinking they will have a cord and design that will be hard to mistake.
 
It's the Wearables!

Google Glass is too nerdy-hipstery-woops-what-have-I-just-done-people-look-at-me-weird.

Apple will make the headset's support band double-layered, with the top layer rotatable so you can rotate it forward like a visor and use it as iSee or whatever. It will be received differently by the general public because it's a headset, not a glasses-shaped camera. Google Glass basically screams "I AM A CAMERA", but this won't, so it will go much smoother.
 
They took a company wide BOM average and then used the retail price for a specific product. If I average out the BOM cost of every pair of Sennheisers and then pick the cheapest pair and go "look at how good of a deal these are!" how would you feel about that?
Ok so not the biggest ripoff
 
Odd...is beats anything more than headphones? I'm sure their putting this tech in their phones and iPads but what the hell is 3 billion dollars worth...


Disney purchased Marvel and Star Wars for those prices that seemed worth it.

Headphones? Eh

Headphones is a lot more than eh. They have a 70% marketshare of the high-end market and make over a billion a year.
 
I don't get it...can't they just make their own headsets? I mean why spend 3 billion for something you can make? How much R&D could it take?? Beats aren't exactly innovative or revolutionary in any way....

$1.5bn revenue a year and rising. Very good purchase.
 
Your post is very telling...I never said anything about quality. It's just a stupid purchase...

Think about what you could do with 3 billion dollars? Google for example is doing things like expanding the country's fiber optic network and developing driverless cars...they are inversting in things that will forever change how we see technology...Apple bought overpriced headphones.
Google also paid $12 billion for the right to lose $1 billion a year on Motorola, only to dump it 2 years later. Do you think they cared more about it than YouTube, which they paid less than $2 billion for? The price you pay is not an indication of how much you care about something, just your idea of the market value of the purchase. Apple has also purchased a ton of companies recently, but I don't think you can accurately judge their importance to Apple based simply on the purchase price.
 
Nothing in the post where I made that analogy mentioned laptops. I've been replying to different people.

Answer the question - do you think that many Beats owners buy them because they think "people will think I will look cool in these!"?


Can you explain to me why I'm being vain? I don't buy headphones based on what other people will think of how they look. I'm asserting that many Beats owners did just that, given that they don't see the headphones when they're wearing them and they could have bought a much better sounding pair for less money. Caring more about your own appearance than the quality of the audio being piped into your ears implies vanity, does it not?

Yes and everyone should just wear full body denim jumpsuits, because it's the optimal material for function and comfort. Anyone who buys graphic tees from Busted is a fool when you can get 3 plain white shirts at Walmart for the same amount! And don't even get me started on those vain fools who buy watches, when you can tell what time it is by just looking at the sun!

Like it or not, headphones are a fashion accessory because you visibly wear them on your head. You don't care about fashion or appearances, just strict cost/performance ratios. Good for you. Some people are different. Millions of them, apparently.
 
Because they have 70% of the high-end headphone market and are currently growing at a rapid pace?

Yeah...such a bad investment. :-P

70% of a product that is a luxury product but doesn't offer luxury amenities.

When you buy a BMW or Mercedes, the dealerships try very hard to make you feel like you're a part of the club. There's a reason it's called an experience. Apple does this too, right down to their retail channels.

Beats doesn't scream luxury to me, it screams trend.

It reminds me of Sony and the Walkman.

It won't be a bad investment if the revenues outpace the trend.

Beats music and the Dre connections are the real value of this deal.
 
I read somewhere that this is more about bringing Lovine into Apple than simply Beats hardware itself. Doesn't he have really good connections with both the music and film/TV industry for their rumoured streaming service and potential revamped Apple TV?

3 billion dollars worth of connections?

How does that make any sense?
 
I have to wonder if they could have made a service better than spotify and made headphones better than audio Technica if they invested that $3 in r&d for those 2 items
 
Not really the cutting edge of audio technology, more of a brand which is extremely popular with the 18-35 demographic though. I see a lot of people hear ragging on Apple for buying a non-tech focused company. I'd agree that as an enthusiast seeing a tech company go this direction is kinda meh, but it does make sense for them business wise. Aside from apple never being the best tech for your dollar, the emerging market most of the big tech companies are gearing up for are wearable(s). There is an opportunity for them to take this new company and use the brand to market the wearable(s) to those who might otherwise not have interest in them. Just a thought, I certainly won't be buying anything from the company at all, but I was never going to be their target audience either.
 
Of course people are sheep. That's the point of marketing. It's the reason people will buy Kleenex or Heinz Kerchup instead of the cheaper store brand. It's the reason huge pharmaceutical companies stay in business despite the fact that you can buy generics with the exact same ingredients. Hell we are on a message board where people are willing to pay more for a game to get the original box art instead of that "icky" greatest hits art, or where people buy and rebuy consoles because they get rereleased in a new color or with a yoshi sticker on them. People buy into brands for whatever reason, whether it's because that's what they are used to, or because their friends are doing it, or because they just get a little bit of personal satisfaction out of it. Not sure why people like to pick on Apple and especially Beats consumers about it so much. Who fucking cares. Do you go around telling your friends they could have gotten a better quality t-shirt or sneakers for cheaper too?
 
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