evilromero
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I want just one thing from the 3DS.Teppic said:
1. Games.
Iwata explains the reasons of 3DS's price cut; gives it 4 months to resurrect
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1. Games.
Corto said:
Do the markets overlap? The person who buys Super Mario Land3D and Mario Kart 7 the same as Uncharted and Wipeout? I dunno.
The one thing Sony can take heed in is be wary on how they price software. Not everything needs to be a 40 dollar game. A strong push for sub 10 dollar games on PSN at Vita launch is as important as Uncharted: Golden Abyss.
Mark-Bozon
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Plinko said:
I don't know man. Vita honestly isn't Nintendo's competition.
Angry Birds and other portable 99 cent games are. And if that is indeed true, the industry has shifted, and price for hardware won't matter (as software is still -- in the public's eye -- 40X too much).
But we'll have to see. Interesting state of the industry right now to be sure.
**Pokemon is Nintendo's ace though. The masses are defenseless against it.
IOS may have taken a big chunk of the casual market, but with a 1 or 2 dollar price tag there simply are things that devs will never be able to do.
That's where the specific portable game devices have to shine, they need to 'step up their games' and in a sense I think PSVita has an edge to actually do this, and Nintendo just failed at it with the two first 'big' games being N64 remakes.
That's where the specific portable game devices have to shine, they need to 'step up their games' and in a sense I think PSVita has an edge to actually do this, and Nintendo just failed at it with the two first 'big' games being N64 remakes.
Overall, I feel that the worst thing that will happen is that we'll just get another Gamecube era. I'm ok with this.
Regardless, there's a bevy of awesome games coming out for it and I love my 3DS. Hopefully the sales pick up for them.
Also while people think things are bad for Nintendo, I can't imagine how bad things are going to be for Sony and Microsoft as well, when they throw their hats into the next generation. Launching a new platform in this debt-riddled economy is like suicide, and it's definitely understandable why Sony and MS are milking this gen for as long as they can. The smarter move for them is honestly to wait as long as they can.
Overall, I feel the positions of the current markets and economies are terrible for launching ANY system, and it will be interesting to see how things play out for everyone.
Also a majority of consumers don't care about 3DS vs Vita garbage. They'll buy what's cheap, and they'll buy what they know.
Regardless, there's a bevy of awesome games coming out for it and I love my 3DS. Hopefully the sales pick up for them.
Also while people think things are bad for Nintendo, I can't imagine how bad things are going to be for Sony and Microsoft as well, when they throw their hats into the next generation. Launching a new platform in this debt-riddled economy is like suicide, and it's definitely understandable why Sony and MS are milking this gen for as long as they can. The smarter move for them is honestly to wait as long as they can.
Overall, I feel the positions of the current markets and economies are terrible for launching ANY system, and it will be interesting to see how things play out for everyone.
Also a majority of consumers don't care about 3DS vs Vita garbage. They'll buy what's cheap, and they'll buy what they know.
Mrbob said:
I honestly think that Nintendo under appreciated Apple's disruptive role in this space of on-the-go gaming. Sony needs to learn something from this. If Nintendo is struggling coming from such an hegemonic position, I would be very worried if I was Sony. If on the other hand Sony plays its cards well they can have something great on their hands. We'll see.
Mark-Bozon
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Vinci said:
Vita's? Good call. That's not an easy question.
Dunno. Just speaking for myself and how I see it, it's as much smart phones as it is consoles. Smart phones on the "but this is cheaper" argument, and consoles on the "but I want COD in my living room."
I really wanted Vita to BE a portable console. Play it on the go, come home, HDMI out with PS3 controller support. Hybrid portable/console for the win.
Vita is going to be really interesting to watch...
Mark-Bozon
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Mrbob said:
Totally. This exactly.
That's why I just don't see this whole "3DS vs. Vita" thing. It's not "DS vs. PSP." People that buy Mario are the same people that buy Angry Birds and Cut the Rope, right?
Ulairi said:
I *really* don´t get all these so-called gamers that welcome iPod/iPhone-gaming. If 3DS (and Vita) won´t sell as much as expected because people buy Apple-devices instead, that only means one thing: That the handheld market never was as big as we thought. Because people that are interested in real gaming (yes) wouldn´t be satisfied with button-less gaming devices. It certainly sucks that *our* market would be shrinking, but it´d still be the same, old, healthy handheld market as before.
Apple-fans can celebrate all day long, but a consumer that bought an iPod/iPhone instead of a 3DS/Vita is not a lost consumer to Nintendo/Sony. Those people were never interested in enthusiast gaming to begin with. Meanwhile Nintendo and Sony will continue to offer the two only real handheld gaming devices and there is no competition other than the one between those two experienced gaming companies.
Mark-Bozon said:
Cool. I see it similarly. For what it's worth, I don't think this arrangement is positive for the system. But I like what Sony has done with it thus far. Sound Shapes looks great and the price isn't too hideous.
Mark-Bozon said:
I don't see either one of these opinions as 100% accurate. I definitely don't believe that people would ignore a new 2D-esque Mario game in order to keep playing Angry Birds if they liked NSMB before. They're really not similar.
I really don't think that, long term, phones and tablets will drastically affect Nintendo's handheld strategy. Nintendo has titles that will never appear on phones unless they change their strategy, and many games from Nintendo and 3rd parties on DS and 3DS have much more depth and value.
Angry Birds and the other .99 games are good games worth attention, but they are more distracting apps than big games.
Nintendo's franchises, as always, will be the key to their success, and Sony has done a tremendous job of crafting many 1st party franchises that are well respected, have wide appeal, and won't be appearing on iOS or Android.
Angry Birds and the other .99 games are good games worth attention, but they are more distracting apps than big games.
Nintendo's franchises, as always, will be the key to their success, and Sony has done a tremendous job of crafting many 1st party franchises that are well respected, have wide appeal, and won't be appearing on iOS or Android.
Vinci said:
Strong online infrastructure *insert PSN outage joke here*, richer catalog of downloadable software, flexible pricing on software, Playstation Suite for Android gaming easy portability. But nothing of this will matter if Sony makes some kind of miss step with its launch...
CoffeeJanitor
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I am a Nintendo fan and I haven't bought a DS game in ages, partly because of my iPod Touch. There is quality software for the device that is cheap as hell or even free: deal with it.Sennorin said:
Now I don't think there's a replacement for buttons but software designed with the device in mind can be awesome. And again, near free.
Please get out of here with that "real games" BS. I personally think Nintendo is the top developer in the world and love their big franchises but that doesn't mean iOS doesn't have quality games. Hell, I got fucking Phoenix Wright for $1.
ShockingAlberto
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I think it's been planned, or at least ready, for a few weeks.UncleSporky said:
It is the only reason I can think of that they scheduled Starfox the way they did.
And for it to get in the weekly ads by August 12th, it had to have been announced to retailers around early July.
AbsoluteZero
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I think people are overlooking the fact that the 3DS didn't just get a "N64 Remake" it's gotten a remake of "The Best-Rated Game Ever"
That shit should have been on the fucking box.
That shit should have been on the fucking box.
kame-sennin
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Vinci said:
NPD June 2011 said:
In the United States alone. These sales make no sense if Apple is truly eroding the dedicated handheld market.
Corto said:
No. What they did was create a phone that everyone thought was awesome. Those people bought said phone and found out that it allowed them to download games for very low prices. I would wager the vast majority of people who download games and other programs from the iPhone were DD virgins up until that time. If the Vita itself, what they see in stores or in commercials, doesn't get them to buy it, it doesn't matter how nice its online is.
AbsoluteZero
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CoffeeJanitor said:
I bought my iPhone back in November, and in my original excitement over the device I bought maybe a dozen games, but they're collecting digital dust these days because they're just so fucking frustrating to play.
Chu Chu Rocket, for example, is a pain to play on the iPhone because of the touch screen. The GBA release back in 2001 was more of a pleasure to play.
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 and The Simpsons Arcade? Jesus Christ don't get me started on touch screen buttons.
The only games that play remotely well on the device are those that are entirely gyro-based. Super Monkey Ball played pretty well, for example.
The iPhone has some Okay games that are difficult to play surrounded by an ocean of terrible games. I can't even remember half of what I bought because it's so forgettable; so throwaway.
Mael said:
Seriously? I thought the industry was obsessed with metacritic these days.
CoffeeJanitor said:
No, I won´t. Not in this case. Touchscreen-only devices can *not* offer the same depth that most of us enthusiast gamers demand from a video game. Those games *we* want need a certain amount of input-options. Apple-devices don´t offer these options and therefore render any attempt at gaming useless. Yes, some concepts can be built around the respective hardware, but that´s such a general statement that it really doesn´t mean much. Nobody is going to play epic 50 hours-RPGs on a touchscreen-only device. Or action-adventures. Or even platformers. There might be such games for Apple-devices, but they´re rather experiments than highly anticipated blockbuster-titles.
If you didn´t buy NDS-games because of your iPod touch, you had no interest in real gaming. Doesn´t matter if you call yourself a big Nintendo-fan, you had no interest in these real games. Games for Apple-devices are games that people play as pure timewasters in-between two events of relevance. Their gaming on these touchscreen-only devices is of no relevance. It´s being done because it doesn´t require a lot of focus, thought or invesment. Nintendo and Sony never did lose these people to some competition - the competition never had these people.
SatelliteOfLove
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neptunes said:
I'm so glad I'm not a Japanese publishing exec right now.
bigtroyjon
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kame-sennin said:
Absolute sales in a month will tell you nothing about the erosion of the market. You would need to compare those sales to something (say previous years sales in the same month) in order to determine if the market is changing or not.
AbsoluteZero
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Sennorin said:
Not only do I have no context of where the buttons are (Have my fingers slipped off? I can't tell!) but when your thumbs are on those buttons, you're covering almost a quarter of the goddamn screen.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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AbsoluteZero said:
Not only do I have no context of where the buttons are (Have my fingers slipped off? I can't tell!) but when your thumbs are on those buttons, you're covering almost a quarter of the goddamn screen.
I absolutely hate on screen joysticks and stuff like that. You don't have any feedback of when you're missing the stick/button and makes things pretty much unplayable for me.
ShockingAlberto
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There's probably a general trend toward people who would normally be handheld buyers using smartphones exclusively.
The thing is
1) We don't have nearly enough data to say this for sure, whether it's permanent, and who makes money off it and who loses money.
2) The data we do have is mostly anecdotal if this thread is anything to go by.
3) Even if we agree to the hypothesis that handheld audiences of days past are being completely enraptured by smartphones, that does not mean the death of handhelds itself. It would then be up to the industry to move those users upstream to more involved content.
We probably won't know how this shakes out for another few years. Anyone who tells you with certainty the way this will end is likely choosing one of two binary choices (smartphones > handhelds, handhelds > smartphones) and will gloat about how they got a 50% odds choice right years from now. Ignore those people.
Will smartphones take over handhelds? Will there be room for both? As the industry struggles to figure this out, there are going to be major casualties, but I don't think anything in our industry that was once as big as handhelds can die forever, even if they do eventually take a different form.
The thing is
1) We don't have nearly enough data to say this for sure, whether it's permanent, and who makes money off it and who loses money.
2) The data we do have is mostly anecdotal if this thread is anything to go by.
3) Even if we agree to the hypothesis that handheld audiences of days past are being completely enraptured by smartphones, that does not mean the death of handhelds itself. It would then be up to the industry to move those users upstream to more involved content.
We probably won't know how this shakes out for another few years. Anyone who tells you with certainty the way this will end is likely choosing one of two binary choices (smartphones > handhelds, handhelds > smartphones) and will gloat about how they got a 50% odds choice right years from now. Ignore those people.
Will smartphones take over handhelds? Will there be room for both? As the industry struggles to figure this out, there are going to be major casualties, but I don't think anything in our industry that was once as big as handhelds can die forever, even if they do eventually take a different form.
Vinci said:
I also completely agree with this. And that doesn't invalidate my previous statement. People now expect more from a dedicated portable gaming console than to just simply run first party renowned games or exclusives from celebrated developers. As contradictory as it may seem, they were "trained" to expect more from such a device. Sony will need to deliver the goods on different fronts. I for one am excited to see if they can deliver.
outunderthestars
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AbsoluteZero said:
Not only do I have no context of where the buttons are (Have my fingers slipped off? I can't tell!) but when your thumbs are on those buttons, you're covering almost a quarter of the goddamn screen.
Just wait until you get to experience the joy of playing ps one games on a tablet screen!
Doesn't that look like fun????
hmm I see Iwata's weakness here. I noticed it before actually, he's a programmer he likes to look at things in a 'logic' seemingly '1+1' way. He tries to connect and understand for him there's always some sort of underlying science, theory or logic that makes or breaks something which is one of the reasons why he didn't understand the appeal of Wario Ware when Sakamoto showed it to him.Mael said:
The competitors who he is dealing with now like Apple and Microsoft defy that logic. Apple is burning Nintendo's house down from the sidelines, trying to make them 'irrelevant' while Microsoft research that comes up with Kinect and the likes is a different ball game. There was a video a while back and they showed what could be a next-gen gaming machine with a projector and stuff. Throw data from one device to the other, replace your actual window with a virtual one that sort of 'out there' Microsoft tech. When they asked the inventor: "So what are you going to do with this? How can this be put to good use?" he said: "I dunno, it doesn't matter it's cool right!". That collides with Nintendo's line of thinking because they prototype everything for years and won't release anything without a clear purpose or goal in mind. Take the Mii's, they worked on that since I believe the NES days but weren't able to find a suitable environment or a game to put them in so they never used them before. From creating something like Wii Speak instead of a regular headset to not releasing the Vitality Sensor because it's only working for 80% of the consumers, they're 'overthinking' pretty much everything.
But seriously good for Iwata on being honest. This is the way to handle situations like this, Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is known for their hubris but this is the way to be humble. It's always great when big companies got humbled because they come out the other end as better companies. Sony was humbled with PS3 and as a result their first/second party output has improved exponentially.
Unconditional
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Amir0x said:
It's definitely a way to get better as a company. I like how the execs actually take the blame.
outunderthestars said:Just wait until you get to experience the joy of playing ps one games on a tablet screen!
http://teenstalktech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ps-suite-android-pic-1.jpg
Doesn't that look like fun????
What the hell is that?
What is that?
AceBandage
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I'm not so surprised at the path Nintendo took, but I am surprised at how quickly they took it.
I still think they could have easily ridden out the holiday, but Iwata saw it from a completely different angle.
Also, Nintendo NEEDS to expand their development studios. Start buying the Next Levels and Headstrongs and Monster Games.
I still think they could have easily ridden out the holiday, but Iwata saw it from a completely different angle.
Also, Nintendo NEEDS to expand their development studios. Start buying the Next Levels and Headstrongs and Monster Games.
The thing that keeps following Iwata though is that he's always like: "Yeah, the N64/GameCube/Wii/3DS software situation was a problem that will totally not happen with the GameCube/Wii/3DS/Wii U!" or admitting that he figured he could get away with the $250 3DS because of E3 hype probably got him some awkward stares at the latest shareholder meeting.Amir0x said:
