Nas made him cry. He won.
Ja Rule talks about 50 Cent feud and the effect it had on his career
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Nas made him cry. He won.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Jay wasn't anywhere near big enough nationwide to do such. Nas made Jay cry dude, then Jay's momma made him apologize for super ugly.
That's an L to end all Ls.
Byakuya769
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Dude wasn't crying he was high.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
lol even Insane Clown Posse beefed with Eminem for some reason.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Byakuya stahp!
Byakuya769
Member
Haha, it's true!
crimzonflame
Member
Jay has more good albums than Nas has good songs.
Yeah, everyone and their momma's were taking shots at Eminem during that period; for some reason, Em only paid attention to the worst ones (Ja, ICP, Benzino).
Fast forward 12 years later, the only thing Em can seem to rap about is Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, Chris Reeves, K-Fed, how hard he had to work for his career, and his mancrush for Dr. Dre. I really wish Em would take more risks musically because he's better than 98% of anyone rapping right now, but all that skill and talent seems to be for naught...
Fast forward 12 years later, the only thing Em can seem to rap about is Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, Chris Reeves, K-Fed, how hard he had to work for his career, and his mancrush for Dr. Dre. I really wish Em would take more risks musically because he's better than 98% of anyone rapping right now, but all that skill and talent seems to be for naught...
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Master Nairb
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Yet, Nas' Illmatic is the best rap album of all time.
Angelus Errare
Banned
What was the last good Jay album? Black album in 2003? Since then he's had what 4 albums in 10 years? That's one every...let's say 2, 2 of the shits was due. One was "eh" the other was Black album, that's a one hot album every 10 year average.
Thank You
I've been saying forever that Jay Z ain't been shit since The Black Album.
Haha, so true.
Byakuya769
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Yeah. American Gangster kind of seals that entire discussion. MCHG is definitely an "ehhhhh." BP3 was straight and then you have WTT. Nas has "my daughter is going," as his good album and nothing else.
PhoenixDark
Banned
You mean the time Nas convinced nearly the entire hip hop community and state of New York that he embarrassed Jay-Z, followed by a double platinum near classic album?
Byakuya769
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Damn. Jay really did make more millionaires than the lotto did. Nas made millions, Kelis made millions.
Rukes
The front page still gets no respect
I'll just leave this photo here that I took in 2008:
More here:
http://photo.rukes.com/foundationroom/foundationroom.html
More here:
http://photo.rukes.com/foundationroom/foundationroom.html
Devolution
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I can't even remember any good songs by Ja. The moment he sings my ears bleed.
I'll just leave this photo here that I took in 2008:
More here:
http://photo.rukes.com/foundationroom/foundationroom.html
LMAOOOO, 3 of the ultimate has-been's in one photo, my god...
Are we measuring success by sales, or quality? Because if it's the latter, Nas' formula of "every other album" has still worked for him since Stillmatic. God's Son, Hip-Hop is Dead, & Life is Good were all dope...
IrishNinja
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gold, jerry, gold
talk to 'em
ahahahaha
this wasn't even in true in like...'99? fuckouttahere
heroin?
lil bit of misinformation here:
first off, there was nothing "wwe" or "wwf" about 50 and Ja's feud. Their beef didnt start on wax, it started in the streets. both from queens, Ja from Hollis and 50 from Jamaica. these guys had altercations prior to their music careers taking off. thats why i tell people that Ja and 50 was one of the last real beefs because these two literally DONT like each other.
ja's problem wasn't all 50. ja's problem was a multitude of things:
1. oversaturation: Ja Rule had a brand new single every 3 months from 1999-2002. people grow tired of you when you don't give them a break. I give him credit for having the hiphop game on lock for that time frame (every song on the radio was Murder Inc) but eventually people grow tired of you.
2. The Feds: this is probably the most underrated of all the reasons for their downfall. The feds raiding Murder Inc and seizing their assets left them pretty much crippled. The feds play no games. Affliating with murder inc at the time was like walking into fire. The only person willing to work with Ja was R Kelly, and it was him returning the favor stating that Ja was the only one willing to work with him on Chocolate factory because of the whole investigation and people distanced themselves from him.
3. Eminem. Ja's reasons for going at Eminem were legitimate but the fact is the same people buying Ja Rule records bought Eminem records and if they have to choose a side, they are gonna choose Em. Ja lost the streets completely when he decided to 'go to the block' with Jenny. Those fans will make you hot for a minute but they are the most fickle and will turn on you in a heart beat.
4. 50 cent: people were already tired of Ja singing and constantly being on the radio but they needed a reason to jump ship. 50 brought gangsta rap back at a time it had been consumed by softness thanks to Ja Rule. Being cosigned by one of the biggest rappers (Eminem) and going after one of the biggest rappers, who the public was tired of, was a receipe for success.
5. Fans: As mentioned above, when you gear towards that type of fanbase, you have to understand you have less than 15 minutes of fame. Ja's reasons for going pop made sense, but he didn't give his fans enough time to "miss him." He also lost the streets by the time Pain is Love dropped.
by the way, he really didnt go at Busta in particular until later mainly Chris Lighty, who ran Violator which was Busta's people. Murder Inc allegedly shut up a violator van thinking 50 was in it, being that 50 was also affliated with Violator but it turned out to be Chris Lighty's van. Chris went to Def Jam and "snitched" and made "false accusations" that Murder Inc shot up their van and Russell Simmons reprimanded them for it. "they shootin/ aw chris you shook/ and got Bus rhymin the same ole hook, like they shootin/ i aint shoot em ya land/ i'd put you in the crona van."
i've always respected Ja because despite what people say, he made music that made him (and his "fans") feel good. 50 cent has to beef with other rappers to garner attention and make himself big. He took Ja Rule out the game and criticized him for singing and doing pop records only to reinvent himself as Ja Rule himself. Ja had to get out of the shadows of X, and Jay and found his lane whereas 50 came into the game, even in the Power od the Dolla days, dissing other people. People finally saw through 50's gimmicks when he tried to go at Rick Ross.
Wow, feels like 2003 lol im done.
first off, there was nothing "wwe" or "wwf" about 50 and Ja's feud. Their beef didnt start on wax, it started in the streets. both from queens, Ja from Hollis and 50 from Jamaica. these guys had altercations prior to their music careers taking off. thats why i tell people that Ja and 50 was one of the last real beefs because these two literally DONT like each other.
ja's problem wasn't all 50. ja's problem was a multitude of things:
1. oversaturation: Ja Rule had a brand new single every 3 months from 1999-2002. people grow tired of you when you don't give them a break. I give him credit for having the hiphop game on lock for that time frame (every song on the radio was Murder Inc) but eventually people grow tired of you.
2. The Feds: this is probably the most underrated of all the reasons for their downfall. The feds raiding Murder Inc and seizing their assets left them pretty much crippled. The feds play no games. Affliating with murder inc at the time was like walking into fire. The only person willing to work with Ja was R Kelly, and it was him returning the favor stating that Ja was the only one willing to work with him on Chocolate factory because of the whole investigation and people distanced themselves from him.
3. Eminem. Ja's reasons for going at Eminem were legitimate but the fact is the same people buying Ja Rule records bought Eminem records and if they have to choose a side, they are gonna choose Em. Ja lost the streets completely when he decided to 'go to the block' with Jenny. Those fans will make you hot for a minute but they are the most fickle and will turn on you in a heart beat.
4. 50 cent: people were already tired of Ja singing and constantly being on the radio but they needed a reason to jump ship. 50 brought gangsta rap back at a time it had been consumed by softness thanks to Ja Rule. Being cosigned by one of the biggest rappers (Eminem) and going after one of the biggest rappers, who the public was tired of, was a receipe for success.
5. Fans: As mentioned above, when you gear towards that type of fanbase, you have to understand you have less than 15 minutes of fame. Ja's reasons for going pop made sense, but he didn't give his fans enough time to "miss him." He also lost the streets by the time Pain is Love dropped.
by the way, he really didnt go at Busta in particular until later mainly Chris Lighty, who ran Violator which was Busta's people. Murder Inc allegedly shut up a violator van thinking 50 was in it, being that 50 was also affliated with Violator but it turned out to be Chris Lighty's van. Chris went to Def Jam and "snitched" and made "false accusations" that Murder Inc shot up their van and Russell Simmons reprimanded them for it. "they shootin/ aw chris you shook/ and got Bus rhymin the same ole hook, like they shootin/ i aint shoot em ya land/ i'd put you in the crona van."
i've always respected Ja because despite what people say, he made music that made him (and his "fans") feel good. 50 cent has to beef with other rappers to garner attention and make himself big. He took Ja Rule out the game and criticized him for singing and doing pop records only to reinvent himself as Ja Rule himself. Ja had to get out of the shadows of X, and Jay and found his lane whereas 50 came into the game, even in the Power od the Dolla days, dissing other people. People finally saw through 50's gimmicks when he tried to go at Rick Ross.
Wow, feels like 2003 lol im done.
Thanks for all this good tea. *.*
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Beyonce would of leapfrogged Ashanti and the rest of the R&B starlets eventually anyway. She always wayyyyyyy smarter with her image, an image ironically enough that is the reason that she will not be able to compete with the current and upcoming crop of artists in the near future.
Glorified G
Member
"That nigga wants to be Tupac Shakur!"
The way 50 cent said it was so hilarious. I gotta watch that Beef documentary again.
The way 50 cent said it was so hilarious. I gotta watch that Beef documentary again.
Angelus Errare
Banned
AG is the eh, and MCHG....you serious?
"Fuck hashtags and retweets, 140 characters in these streets."
=|
No.
Jay's bars on Takeover about one hot album every 10 year average came full circle and that shit is funny as fuck.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
cloooown
There were a bunch of dudes who were shoved in the spotlight for the first 5 or 6 years after Tupac and BIG died for no other reason that they looked or sounded like them. For whatever reason Ja stuck longer than the others.
To be honest I think that's why Puffy signed Rick Ross - all these years later and he's still trying to find another Biggie Smalls.
Meanwhile Craig Mack is all "Hey, guys? Guys? Remember me?'
To be honest I think that's why Puffy signed Rick Ross - all these years later and he's still trying to find another Biggie Smalls.
Meanwhile Craig Mack is all "Hey, guys? Guys? Remember me?'
PhoenixDark
Banned
The funniest thing about the 50 Cent/Ja shit is that 50 attacked Ja for being a fake thug who made pop rap...then he proceeded to make Magic Stick and the rest of that pop rap shit he did. Now he couldn't write a relevant song to save his life.
Yup. BP3 and MCHG are sad fucking albums. Old dude trying to sound like he's 20, and failing. Also Jay's non-writing style of recording has really bit him in the ass. He just spits whatever line rhymes with no thought of whether it's dope or not, and what follows is a string of weak bars.
Craig Mack joined a cult in South Carolina.
Chie Satonaka
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I need to know more about this.
Ninja Scooter
Member
they must have put some mad flavor in his ear.
Angelus Errare
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1IEw-a7Qw#t=17
The group is called Overcomer Ministry run by Brother Stair
You can read more about Brother Stair here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Stair
Chie Satonaka
Member
I'm not even sure what to say.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Craig Mack should be used to a person purporting to be his friend, stealing all his money and then leaving him with nothing. He used to work for Puffy.
BadAss2961
Member
You really gonna compare Magic Stick to shit like Put It On Me, I'm Real, Between Me & You, Mesmerize and I Cry?
Everyone has their soft shit, but Ja Rule took it to another level. Song after song of softness, not even trying to be slick about it. Shamelessly pandering to the point of crying in those terribly directed Irv Gotti videos.
RoninChaos
Member
I still dug his first album
One of the funnier Eminem lyrics I can think of:
"Have another deja vu , we setting security
pass my pussy around like it's Ja Rules jewelry"
IrishNinja
Member
no lie, ive been wondering forever where dude went...didn't take the beaten path of producing, radio DJing etc. didn't know any of this, thanks for that
yeah, been sayin this for a minute too. i know dudes defend American Gangster, and for where he's been the last 10 years its not bad, but that black album line "come back like jordan, wearin the four five" is so apt now, cause that black album tier jay never returned.
...goddamn, walked right into that obvious punch line but didnt see it comin, haha
based on sales alone, i think many people did, yeah
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