gothmog
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Meh. I was here first. It has calmed down since the election.
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James Gunn on Superman: "the character will not be played by Henry Cavill"
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jakinov
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What's a good film is subjective. He's been consistent with making comic book films that are generally loved by audineces/critics, has producing experience (i.e. knows the backend), knows a lot about how the competition does things and know a lot about the library of source material. The last guy credentials is basically he help produce successful horror movies. The guy before that was a famous comic book writter. The guy who was sort of in charge before that directed a bunch of polarizing DC movies which somehow has a dedicated fanbase still spamming Twitter daily. The MCU head was just a producer on a handful of old Marvel movies. Gunn doens't have to be amazing himself, at writting and directing. That's not actually his job his job is to basically be the top exec/producer and find the people who can do the right job. Just because the movies he likes to do have a certain style doens't mean he'll impose them on others. He has deliberately chosen to focus on weird unpopular character in his directing career, he was offered Superman from the last management but turned it down and asked for Suicide Squad.
Whether or not he succeeds or fails we'll need a crystal ball to know for sure. But I don't see any glarring reason why he would be a bad fit for the role.
Xenon
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wondermega
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I Master l
Banned
I guess Henry Cavill is too masculine for modern audience
FunkMiller
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ahtlas7
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The more of this that comes out the more I love this guy! He isn’t being a Hollywood preMadonna, he’s being a true story teller! This is awesome to know! Henry is a man’s man and they hate him for it, unless he would bed them of course.The last part kinda indicates this, but also the part earlier where he basically started to write the script himself because he wasn't happy about it which they didn't like.
But aren't sex scenes part of Gerald's persona? I thought that was missing from the second season. First season was sexy sultry which kinda added a lot of tension to it in a good way. I def needed more shirtless Cavill in season 2.
He's made it already and if he can make 40K his own baby and it's a good one, than I would focus on that.
FunkMiller
Member
Snyder the god.
This is possibly the saddest thing I've ever seen.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Will the synderites finally go away now?
SJRB
Gold Member
FunkMiller
Member
It'll make them worse.
The line will be that everything was going very well, until he left, and now look at the mess, because Gunn is terrible and Snyder was right all along.
...neatly forgetting how appalling Batman V Superman was, and that the entire house of cards that was the DCEU was built on the bad foundations he laid.
The last time WB and DC were doing well it was with Chris Nolan ten years ago. Jesus Christ
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DeepEnigma
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Imagine saying attention whore in response to Hollywood's attention whores.
Just stop giving him a platform, Mana. Clearly he has you shook.
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Tams
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But in this case it isn't your garden variety harassment; it's some neckbeards pulling stuff out of their arses, or even outright lying, then getting outraged about their own rumour or lie.
And then when called out on it, doubling down or going into whataboutism.
His films were polarizing but they made money (Snyder). Gunn asks for weird stuff bc that’s what he’s good at. He’s never made a good serious film. And Batman/Superman/WW are serious characters.
What do you think is going to happen when a new Superman rolls out and he’s not as good as Caville? Which is practically gauranteed to happen. It will be in every review. You are settin yourself up for failure before you even begin unless he’s absolutely flawless.
jakinov
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They made money from brand/marketing alone. A movie can make a lot of money simply because you need to see it to know you hate it. They Batman and Superman in the name and shoved WW in the marketing. MOS kept high lighting that Nolan was somehow involved.
He isn’t making most the movies, he’s be too busy for that he’s going to hire writers and directors. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman aren that serious. If you read the comics (I’m talking new 52 and rebirth stuff) they have some of the silliest villains and stories sometimes.
Cavil performance as Superman was heavily criticized by many reviewers and fans when he came out. The only thing he got praised for was looking the part which is what all his fans seem to care about since they know he’s not comic accurate and all they do is post pictures of how great he looks or talk about how needy/passionate cavil is a person. Cavil might be able to play a charismatic and hopeful Superman but he has not proven it anything he’s done so far. They can find other people who look good in a Superman costume. At the end of the day how great he is as Superman is highly subjective but all I’m going to say there’s far from a general consensus that he’s flawless.
gothmog
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You are part of the problem if you really think that.
Sleepwalker
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Black Adam has been nuked. To the surprise of absolutely nobody.
Sonik
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Learn to take a joke pal, it's just a shitpost
DeepEnigma
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Ishma3L
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
If a certain Hero of the Imperium gets brought to life by Cavill then Gunn did the world a service.
nikeboy94
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And you think that Batman should be making jokes every 15 mins?
"Serious characters" to me just means that a character takes situations and scenarios seriously. Characters being serious doesn't mean they're not allowed to make jokes. Superman can still be hopeful, optimistic & uplifting. The trinity can still have "fun" together. But ultimately they're going to be taking on threats to life with a serious mindset. Movies with these kinds of characters can be really good and not feel depressing if they're done well.
Look at what's happened to Marvel and their over-use of comedy. They've ruined really good characters like Thor and turned him into dumb joke. The worry is that if Gunn's writing the next Superman movie and he's known for over-the-top comedy, these important DC characters will be "ruined" too. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen, that Gunn will definitely ruin these characters. His 1st Guardians of the Galaxy film was very good and did have some emotional depth to it, so there's hope that the same depth is carried over into Superman. But IF he does enforce that dumb, jokey tone into all the DC films going forward it's just going to hurt the characters in my opinion.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yes. He is a character designed for children. Batman should be fun, light-hearted and camp.
James Gunn should be using the Marvel Template for the new DCU, but making it more kid friendly than Marvel. The new direction should be a mix of Adam West Batman and DC Super Friends. And no, I'm not trolling or shit posting. I'm tired of "mature" comic book movies and think they need to go back to their original target audience.
FunkMiller
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I would be more than happy if Gunn's DCU is in the same tone as the animated stuff.
It won't be for me, but I'll be happy with what Reeves is doing with The Batman.
DeepEnigma
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They are removing his cameo from Flash too, lol.
I guess Cavill didn't go all batshit insane and commit felonies while kidnapping and grooming little girls for them not to cancel the Flash or its actor.
Hollyweird gonna Hollyweird.
I guess Cavill didn't go all batshit insane and commit felonies while kidnapping and grooming little girls for them not to cancel the Flash or its actor.
Hollyweird gonna Hollyweird.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Pretty sure a lot of people liked his Suicide Squad and it did well with critics too. It only did mid commercially, but still well enough to justify finishing development on a tv spinoff. The stakes in that movie wasn’t about the big starfish at the end, it was about the characters finding themselves & their purpose. I think this approach will gel nicely with Superman, who doesn’t have much to fear physically but often suffers mental & emotional anguish.
They are removing his cameo from Flash too, lol.
I guess Cavill didn't go all batshit insane and commit felonies while kidnapping and grooming little girls for them not to cancel the Flash or its actor.
Hollyweird gonna Hollyweird.
Yeah I am not gonna pay to watch that movie. Which sucks cuz it will probably be a lot of fun with old Keaton
hopefully this Flash dies forever.
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ManaByte
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The movie is dogshit. Zod kills Cavill as a baby to make room for Supergirl.Yeah I am not gonna pay to watch that movie. Which sucks cuz it will probably be a lot of fun with old Keaton
The MacGuffin in the movie is a can of tomatoes.
MilkyJoe
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I didn’t even know Michael Shannon was in it. What the fuck lol
gothmog
Gold Member
I'd love it as well if it was closer to the animated stuff. Batman 1989 is probably the exact balance I would be looking for. Keep it badass but not cringeworthy.
And The Batman was too serious. Loved the concept of the Ridder but thought the application of the character was just too over the top to actually be taken seriously.
FunkMiller
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Every conversation I get into with someone who says they think The Flash could do well... I know damn well they haven't read the leaked info that's come out about it.