JANUARY 2005 HARDWARE NUMBERS THREAD [Jesus have mercy]
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sonycowboy
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Speevy said:
Speevy said:
You truly are hopeless. You're the one that brought comparisons the the Xbox and GC into the picture.
Read this thread. See how many people disagree with you. Ask yourself. Is it me or are ALL of them wrong?
sonycowboy said:It took market share when
a) It dropped in price 2 months ahead of the PS2
b) The PS2 had shortages since June.
Seriously, the $149 price point clearly had the potential to give the PS2 it's greatest sales yet, which is how it's ALWAYS worked historically. $149 is the magic price point the same for the Xbox as for the PS2, that's why it had YOY increases.
But, to say that the $149 did more for the Xbox than the PS2 because of "momentum" is silly.
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Did I use that word?
I didn't say it was due to momentum. But I don't agree that it's 100% due to supply/price issues either, but due to the software side. I agree with you points - and caveat them that there's more to the picture than price drops and supply. If that were the case the GC would be flying off the shelves - lowest price, no similar supply issues. The qualtiy and depth of the software base plays a part.
And before you evicerate me, the PS2 still trounces the XBox in that department. It's a relative measure.
sonycowboy said:
I don't think anyone's wrong. You for one haven't disagreed with what I said once. Tell me, do more PS2 multiplatform games drive system sales or is it more about the exclusives? Just answer that question.
Again with the insults.
Read this. I NEVER SAID THERE WERE MORE MILLION SELLERS ON THE XBOX AND/OR GAMECUBE
What I said was that people buy those systems for their exclusives.
Can you seriously calm the hell down or get that chip off your shoulder?
btutterrow
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I think it is a big factor. I can easily imagine that someone would buy an XBOX if ALL they cared about was Madden, NFSU, and NFL Street. A lot of people see the HUGE catelogue of exclusive games (big sellers and small, good games and crappy ones) at great prices ($20-$30).
Don't underestimate the power of a huge library of decent to great, inexpensive games.
sonycowboy
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Speevy said:
???
So the reasons are shortage vs shortage???
For anyone buying a PS2 *now*, is any particular game or type of game really the selling point? You've been trying to pin it to multiplatform titles, but there's been 4 yrs of sport franchise updates, 3 rounds of GTA and quite a few other popular multiplatform titles that have already had more than one update. If it's multiplatform games driving sales more than exclusives, why are they buying now and not 2-3 yrs ago?Speevy said:
Sure, those games are great. But do you think those are the driving force behind these huge PS2 hardware numbers?
How the heck is anyone supposed to know this? How does anyone know if Halo or Halo 2 sell systems? Do you have surveys, charts and info to back up a statement like that? No, no one will. I don't see what you are trying to get to with all this? People buy PS2 because of the games on it and if 1st party games sell well on the system then they must be looking at these games when they make the console purcahse.
JoshuaJSlone
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PS2 looking relatively even more impressive due to lack of supply in December... reminds me of the current PSP situation in Japan.
GCN January 2002: 61,685
GCN January 2003: 81,000
GCN January 2004: 131,000
GCN January 2005: 114,000
That was a couple year's back. I remember being somewhat impressed by thei January 2004, since it did almost as well the previous two awful years combined.AirBrian said:
GCN January 2002: 61,685
GCN January 2003: 81,000
GCN January 2004: 131,000
GCN January 2005: 114,000
January has been a better month for PS2 than GBA; the former outsold the latter in 2002, 2003, and 2004. Considering this is PS2's best January yet and GBA has more intra-Nintendo competition, I bet the trend continued.Jarrod said:
sonycowboy said:
I don't know why the PS2 sold so much in January. You conjectured that they were previously unavailable, and that Sony had missed a golden opportunity for a huge holiday 2004.
Going back to the core of this whole debacle, that seems more like the cause of the PS2's surge back, and not any one game release. (exclusive or otherwise)
See how easy that was?
kaching said:
Well the simple fact is that the PS2 has so many more games. So whether you buy Madden or DDR, you feel like there's some variety.
Again, there's certainly nothing wrong with multiplatform titles doing welll. Why do you think all the sports games don't sell on the Cube? Among other reasons, there's a general feeling that the Cube is just not the platform you buy those games for.
Personally, I'd rather be the company behind the console that sold twice its nearest competitor than the one with the highest sales of the month and nothing else. (RE4)
Speevy said:
You are missing the point.... this is the HARDWARE thread.... I personally don't care whether you argue about software til your head explodes.... just do it in the f'kn SOFTWARE thread.... I'm not sure what part about my earlier post was so hard to understand, there's a reason for two threads, and there's a reason Bish initially locked the software thread.... he wanted hardware talk here... now we've got too many pages of software talk that in the end like maybe 3 people really give a shit about.
Just move your name calling and number pulling to the software thread and everybody will be happy.
Catchpenny
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Fuzzy said:
Exactly. How many more posts do we need saying, "WOW Sony sure kicked ass! Where are the handheld numbers?" There's nothing more to say, so the thread should really end here.
...come to think of it, splitting hardware and software sales discussion might be a GREAT idea
The funny thing about people gushing about these PS2 sales is they seem to be forgetting that Sony sold 1 Million LESS systems in December 2004 compared to December 2003 thanks to the shortage. These high numbers are due to people finally getting their hands on the system they wanted this last Christmas. Yes,it is impressive but these are sales they really should've had last month.
I thought I did. Look, I appreciate it degenerated in the sense that it was several people taking issue with Speevy's logic all at once but the basic thesis and discussion of it (why does the PS2 sell so well? Maybe it has to do with specific software...) shouldn't be considered out of place in a hardware sales thread.DarienA said:
But if that's degenerative we can always return to alternating between "Wow, PS2!", "Haw, Haw, where's your momentum now Xbox?" and, "Handheld numbers? kthxbye". Much more constructive
captmcblack
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SALES-AGE.
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Meh, what else is new? Did anyone seriously believe the Xbox/GC momentum bullshit? Sony's killing them...it's not even close. The N64 outsold the PS1 for a few months back in the day too. It got smothered. These minor victories mean nothing in the larger picture. The larger picture is Sony flicking MS and Nintendo off it's arm like fleas. The Xbox and GC have nothing on the PS2, and the scary thing is the PS2 hasn't even come close to its full sales potential. It'll break the 100M barrier this fiscal year. The PS1 was just breaking the 70M units barrier when the PS2 launched. The PS2 should be well on its way to 110M by the time the PS3 sees the light of day. Un-fucking-believable. Dancing blue bananas indeed.
Anyway, the real question is the handheld sales. Where are the GB/DS sales the last few months? Is this Nintendo fan damage control at work? I'm curious to know if the PSP hype has already started to take its toll. It wouldn't have much an effect last month (holidays), but it could start rear is head this month. We know what Nintendo's shipping, but that's the game Sega played with the DC. And months and months passed without much of a change in shipping figures. And the next thing you know, the DC's being passed by the PS2. Where are the DS figures dammit? I cry conspiracy. Eventhough I won't buy a PSP now, I still expect it to spank the DS in the marketplace. I still expect big shipments on the year too. PEACE.
Anyway, the real question is the handheld sales. Where are the GB/DS sales the last few months? Is this Nintendo fan damage control at work? I'm curious to know if the PSP hype has already started to take its toll. It wouldn't have much an effect last month (holidays), but it could start rear is head this month. We know what Nintendo's shipping, but that's the game Sega played with the DC. And months and months passed without much of a change in shipping figures. And the next thing you know, the DC's being passed by the PS2. Where are the DS figures dammit? I cry conspiracy. Eventhough I won't buy a PSP now, I still expect it to spank the DS in the marketplace. I still expect big shipments on the year too. PEACE.
something got me thinking, and perhaps it deserves a thread of it's own...but will the ps3 be backward compatible to the ps1? i was thinking of trading in my ps2 towards a ps3 eventually, but i do have some ps1 classics that i wanna keep playing. but i dont think ps3 will be regressively compatible to ps1. which brings up another valid philosophical question, up to how many generations should the next iteration of console hardware be backward compatible? as it is, the standard is only 2 so far. is that good enough?
siamesedreamer
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Can someone post a LTD by month for Xbox consoles? Preeche.
sonycowboy
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Rhindle said:
Close, but no cigar
GCN Total 112,327
PS2 Total 490,002
XBX Total 242,375
Coming soon.... the handheld numbers *** god help us all *** :lol