January Wrasslin |OT| Every Mark For Himself

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did WWE ever explain why Owen joined the Nation? was it because they had a common enemy? i so expected Owen to overthrow Rock.
 
WBAL-TV in Baltimore, MD is reporting that a student at a Severn, MD professional wrestling school is dead from a head injury sustained while training.

25-year-old Quentin V. Jackson died in the hospital's shock trauma unit on Friday, January 20. On Thursday, January 19, Jackson was training at "Gillberg's Pro Wrestling Academy" in Severn, MD.

Jackson's fellow students at the school said he was doing repetitions of what is defined as a "back bump". During training, students are instructed to do large sets of "back bump" repetitions on the wrestling canvas where they repeatedly fall on their back in a specific manner. Those at the school during the incident said Jackson did not tuck his chin properly on a back bump attempt and slammed his head on the canvas. An ambulance was called to take him to the hospital, where he died the next day.

Police are ruling the death an accident and no foul play is suspected. At the time of his admittance to the school, Jackson (and all other students) signed a waiver, clearing the school of any liability for injuries.

The school, run by former professional wrestler Duane "Gillberg" Gill, has been operating since July 2010 and has had no records of severe injuries until now. Gill, 52, wrestled on national television frequently in the 1980s and 1990s for the World Wrestling Federation (now known simply as WWE) and World Championship Wrestling. Gill achieved his highest fame in the late-90s WWF as "Gillberg", a parody of rival WCW's top star, Bill Goldberg. Gill, under his Gillberg persona, won the WWF Light-Heavyweight Championship and held the title for a record-setting 14 months.
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Poor guy.

I guess his accident was similar to the Sabu/Benoit backdrop botch that broke Sabu's neck?

Backdrop seems like a nasty move to mess up since you can have you entire body come down on your head/neck from 6 feet up.


I wounder how experienced this kid was. If he was only there recently he probably shouldnt be doing stuff like that... at least not onto a bare ring. maybe on some protective mats or something to let him get the technique down.
 
Wow, you never thing a back bump could end it hurting you that bad. Wreslters do 10,000s in a life. Weird that just one going wrong could end that bad.


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This is a back bump (although his was probably without a mat)
 
No. He was just taking basic, flat, back bumps. Stand in the middle of the ring and just fall. Sounds like he hit the back of his head on the mat. Seems like a freakish thing.

oh back bumps.

I read back drops for some reason.



Damn thats even worse that such a minor and basic part of wrestling training could end like that.
 
Didn't a simple back suplex kill Mitsuharu Misawa?

I think that was a German Suplex... which has a bit more that could go wrong (although it is basically a jumping back-bump now I think about it)

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I think there was some complaints about Misawa taking repeated stuff bumps too, which weakened his neck. It was not the one move that caused him to die, but also the build up of everything he took before it. I might be wrong, but it seems like it was the same thing that cut Edges career short - but thankfully he was ultimately saved from.
 
Why is it okay to copy and paste a paid-for newsletter in here when just admitting that you've pirated a game is enough to get you banned?
 
HHH has actually gone on record stating the Streak should be ended. So yes there is a chance of that

HHH should not be the one ending the streak. For all the talk of being a student of the game, he should fucking know that.

Edit - Unless of course he said that to promote his match with the Undertaker.
 
You know, I wonder if Beth not really have a story going on now has anything to do with Punk. Course it could just be creative being there usual selves.

Maybe they're waiting for that shiner to heal up. But, they never did anything with pin up strong.
 
I think that was a German Suplex... which has a bit more that could go wrong (although it is basically a jumping back-bump now I think about it)

It was a backdrop driver.

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Misawa was wrestling a much harder style with the same kind of neck problems Edge, Austin, and Angle have. This is something that doesn't get better after time: it will always be there. For Angle to keep doing the crazy things he tries (moonsaults off the cage) I am still surprised he isn't dead yet.

Big props to Tanahashi for winning WOTY. He had my vote.
 
Tonight on Impact Wrestling....

The Most Underrated Wrestler of the Year from TNA returns!
James Storm and Jeff Hardy vs Bobby Roode and Bully Ray in a Tables Match!
Matt Morgan and Samoa Joe hug it out again!

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Maybe they're waiting for that shiner to heal up. But, they never did anything with pin up strong.

Beth vs. Nat at WM, even though Nat seems to lose EVERY match on Smackdown lately in complete squashes.
 
Beth vs. Nat at WM, even though Nat seems to lose EVERY match on Smackdown lately in complete squashes.

Between pin-up strong, the Bellas, the chickbusters, the funkadactyl dancers, and whoever Kelly Kelly is teamed with to prove she isn't racist lately, they'd be better off just turning the diva's belt into a tag belt.

Would make more sense as what they're doing with it now
 
I know all the backstage tales are just that, tales - some are right, some are wrong, but it all highlights something I never wanted to be a part of in wrasslin' and one of the reasons why I didn't continue my training - the boys club mentality of all that shit.

I dream someday of offering a wrestling school and federation that is entirely professional and none of that shit happens, like a REAL JOB. Shit in someone's bag? You're gone. Get in a fight? Fired. Show up late? You can get fired.

Maybe some feds do this already, and if so, educate me. I think the backstage antics are juvenile as hell, but fun to read...but I gotta wonder.
 
I was watching Royal Rumbles last night on Sunflower's stream.

And it was interesting watching 2009/2010 back to back.

It seems like the WWE took away from 2009 that people don't like a packed Rumble (at one point believe there were 14 people in the ring)

In comparison, I don't remember there ever being more than 5 wrestlers in the ring at once in 2010.
 
I was watching Royal Rumbles last night on Sunflower's stream.

And it was interesting watching 2009/2010 back to back.

It seems like the WWE took away from 2009 that people don't like a packed Rumble (at one point believe there were 14 people in the ring)

In comparison, I don't remember there ever being more than 5 wrestlers in the ring at once in 2010.

Even 2007 to 2009 is jarring to me - just from the roster as well as content. They really shied away from anything remotely controversial.
 
I know all the backstage tales are just that, tales - some are right, some are wrong, but it all highlights something I never wanted to be a part of in wrasslin' and one of the reasons why I didn't continue my training - the boys club mentality of all that shit.

I dream someday of offering a wrestling school and federation that is entirely professional and none of that shit happens, like a REAL JOB. Shit in someone's bag? You're gone. Get in a fight? Fired. Show up late? You can get fired.

Maybe some feds do this already, and if so, educate me. I think the backstage antics are juvenile as hell, but fun to read...but I gotta wonder.

It's going to stay a dream. The WORLD operates with the "boys club" mentality. Those "REAL JOBS" you speak of, yeah, the "chosen" guys still get to do whatever they want. Unfortunately it's almost become accepted and anyone who speaks out is usually alone and made to look foolish. People are more concerned with stepping on others to become a part of the elite than trying to change how things work.
 
I'm always more embarrassed by the ass-backwards karny rules pro wrestling still lives by, punishing wrestlers with embarrassing storylines and constant jobbing because of real-life misdemeanors. In an actual fucking place of business, you'd be punished with docked pay, or suspension, or whatever. But putting your employees on display to look like fools, you are only harming your own damn company.
 
Even 2007 to 2009 is jarring to me - just from the roster as well as content. They really shied away from anything remotely controversial.

Yeah, it really is amazing watching your stream and seeing just how the roster has dwindled over the last 10 years.

A lot of people hated the post-brand split but for a few years they actually had the roster to pull it off and used to to push quite a lot of talent. Hell, even some of the mid card had gimmicks back then.

Then you just watch as slowly but surely mid carders get future endeavoured, old wrestlers leave and then realise what you're left with now is the work of not making enough new guys to fill even one roster, let alone two, of the last 5 years or so.
 
I'm always more embarrassed by the ass-backwards karny rules pro wrestling still lives by, punishing wrestlers with embarrassing storylines and constant jobbing because of real-life misdemeanors. In an actual fucking place of business, you'd be punished with docked pay, or suspension, or whatever. But putting your employees on display to look like fools, you are only harming your own damn company.

Exactly. Business can work properly. You don't have to sacrifice the old ways entirely - some things are clearly unacceptable today and for the business to evolve, it needs to abandon antiquated ways of thinking but still keep some of the ideals left behind.

I'm not saying to turn it corporate 100%...but there's a line that should exist that doesn't.
 
I'm always more embarrassed by the ass-backwards karny rules pro wrestling still lives by, punishing wrestlers with embarrassing storylines and constant jobbing because of real-life misdemeanors. In an actual fucking place of business, you'd be punished with docked pay, or suspension, or whatever. But putting your employees on display to look like fools, you are only harming your own damn company.

This blows my mind as well which is part of the reason I bitch when guys are getting outright squashed, or get jobber entrances, or put in embarrassing angles. Here's a business where the Creative Team™ is in full control of where these characters go, how they're perceived, how they win, how they lose, their character arcs, etc. etc. etc. Why would you go out of your way to not make everyone look good? Why punish guys who get in trouble by punishing the audience with terrible angles/matches, and punishing THEMSELVES by killing interest in their own wrestler?
 
This blows my mind as well which is part of the reason I bitch when guys are getting outright squashed, or get jobber entrances, or put in embarrassing angles. Here's a business where the Creative Team™ is in full control of where these characters go, how they're perceived, how they win, how they lose, their character arcs, etc. etc. etc. Why would you go out of your way to not make everyone look good? Why punish guys who get in trouble by punishing the audience with terrible angles/matches, and punishing THEMSELVES by killing interest in their own wrestler?
You know the answer to all of these questions is to appease Vince first and foremost. Then, Vince's cronies (Dunn, Hayes, Trips).
This self-destructive environment exists ultimately because Vince doesn't know how to do business any other way.
 
You know the answer to all of these questions is to appease Vince first and foremost. Then, Vince's cronies (Dunn, Hayes, Trips).
This self-destructive environment exists ultimately because Vince doesn't know how to do business any other way.

Pretty much. When Vince represents 51% of the decision making power in the creative team there's not a whole lot of room for creativity. Vince is a petty, out of touch, small man, who is blinded by the decades of experience he has, or at least he doesn't apply his vast knowledge in the right ways.

Whether it was worked or not, Punk said it best when he mentioned that he had a better grasp of what it takes to make a star in 2011 than Vince.
 
You know the answer to all of these questions is to appease Vince first and foremost. Then, Vince's cronies (Dunn, Hayes, Trips).
This self-destructive environment exists ultimately because Vince doesn't know how to do business any other way.

And what sucks is many smaller feds, indies, still operate this way because they believe its the only way to do business. It's not. There needs to be management who is NOT talent - who are NOT friends with anyone - taking care of business.
 
Yeah, it really is amazing watching your stream and seeing just how the roster has dwindled over the last 10 years.

A lot of people hated the post-brand split but for a few years they actually had the roster to pull it off and used to to push quite a lot of talent. Hell, even some of the mid card had gimmicks back then.

Then you just watch as slowly but surely mid carders get future endeavoured, old wrestlers leave and then realise what you're left with now is the work of not making enough new guys to fill even one roster, let alone two, of the last 5 years or so.

Its weird, like I expect it in older Rumbles, but even watching last year. A lot of wrestlers who are gone or who are pretty much in the same position a year later.

Discussed this on our podcast this week, but one of the reasons I felt this year's Rumble build was so poor (to me anyhow) is a lot of their stapled top stars are just MIA or occupied.

Taker and Hunter are pretty much on part-time basis.
Rey, Del Rio, Orton and Christian were/are all out with injuries.
Cena/Punk/Show/Henry/Ziggler/Bryan/Kane are all tied up in matches for the show.

So what you are left with was essentially a mid-card that hasn't advanced in 2 years left to hype the match. When realistically, you don't expect any of them to win.

And its a problem thats been cropping up for several years now, but the WWE never takes the proper steps to actually fix their roster.
 
The "Every superstar is elligiable" Rumble could be awesome. Imagine if Dolph wins the WWE title and the Rumble in the same night.

*PPV ends with Dolph pointing at the Wrestlemania logo while doing a handstand*
 
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