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Raw64life said:
Could try a Samoan stable with Joe and the Usos. Bring in Rikishi as a ringleader/mentor type. Of course it's hard to imagine creative getting behind something like that.
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That actually sounds like exactly the type of thing Creative™ would do.

And they'd all be jobbing in a month.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Poor Joe.

I remember when I used to watch ROH regularly (when it aired on the now defunct 'The Wrestling Channel' on Sky) and he was damn awesome. The matches he had against Austin Aries, his trilogy against Punk, and his stuff against Nigel McGuinness and Jay Lethal were all amazing. It really felt like you were watching special every time he wrestled. Then he moved to TNA and even though he looked more awesome, the matches were less spectacular. He looked like a damn monster though for a while

Now, nothing. He is just over 30.. he should be in his prime right now.

At least he will always have Samoa Joe vs. Essa Rios to tell his grandkids about
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Whatever happened to Essa Rios? He introduced us to Lita after all..
 
djsandman said:
Joe has been in the shithouse ever since Bishoff and Hogan came into TNA. Before that, he was getting regular pushes and feuds, now he might as well be a jobber.
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Joe decline was already starting before Hogan came to TNA. Someone posted the ninja video and there was also the nation of violence gimmick. Where he had a face tattoo and machete.
 
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sajj316 said:
Didn't stop Yoko. Didn't stop Big Show. Didn't stop countless other wrestlers that had weight issues. The problem with Joe is his look. It's nothing special.
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Yoko was super large and that's how it played into his role, I mean Yokozuna's are supposed to be huge.

Big Show is just a tall dude so it's somewhat masked, though in his WCW days he was a lot more intimidating.

Joe is just an average-heighted fat dude.
 
somedevil said:
Joe decline was already starting before Hogan came to TNA. Someone posted the ninja video and there was also the nation of violence gimmick. Where he had a face tattoo and machete.
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Yep, aside from that first few months with Angle (and Daniels/Styles), they really haven't done shit with Joe.

Also,
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Entropia said:
Yoko was super large and that's how it played into his role, I mean Yokozuna's are supposed to be huge.

Big Show is just a tall dude so it's somewhat masked, though in his WCW days he was a lot more intimidating.

Joe is just an average-heighted fat dude.
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Right. Ya my point was that Yoko played his role of a Yokozuna and did it VERY well. Big Show played his role of a big dude. He did get a bit heavy (remember him being sent down to OVW). Both had unique looks. Henry is a fat dude but he's just massive. He looks like and IS the World's Strongest Man.

Joe is just an average-height fat dude like you said. He's booked like crap because TNA and WWE bookers are looking for that certain look. He doesn't have it. Simple as that. Joe is a much better wrestler than Bully Ray. Bully Ray however took on his weight issue. Joe needs to do the same. His best chance at WWE is to get leaner .. or get super fat and be the next Yoko.
 
with all this talk of WWE interest in TNA guys I wounder if we will see any surprise appearances from some ex TNA guys in the rumble like last year when Nash and Booker showed up.



and its a shame about WWE having no interest in Joe... but the guy is getting older and isnt in the best shape ever. I can see why they dont want to sign him even if Bryan and Punk could have Match of the year level matches with the guy.
 
guys Joe peaked 7 years ago against kobashi. The dream is over, he squandered his talent with bad decisions, not taking care of his body, and losing interest in putting on 5 star matches.
 
BillRiccio said:
Here you go homies!

Wrestling Observer Radio - January 5th
All the news in wrestling and MMA including the quarter hours for Raw on Monday night, how the Chris Jericho segment did, other ratings notes, UFC Tonight on FUEL report, Smackdown tapings, New Japan Tokyo Dome show notes, Ronda Rousey vs. Meisha Tate rumors, CM Punk and Chael Sonnen buddies, a preview of Sunday's TNA PPV, your questions and so much more!
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Thanks again.
 
Some Raw segment-by-segment numbers:


--Chris Jericho's return lost 8,000 viewers

--Q1 with John Cena's in-ring promo was the highest rated segment of the show

--Punk vs. Ziggler gained around 200,000 viewers (lower than usual for the 10pm slot)
 
funkystudent said:
with all this talk of WWE interest in TNA guys I wounder if we will see any surprise appearances from some ex TNA guys in the rumble like last year when Nash and Booker showed up.



and its a shame about WWE having no interest in Joe... but the guy is getting older and isnt in the best shape ever. I can see why they dont want to sign him even if Bryan and Punk could have Match of the year level matches with the guy.
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I was wondering that, who would the potential candidates be?

Thinking about it, by going back down to 30 people in the Rumble and an already bloated roster I don't think there's any room for surprises.


RBH said:
Some Raw segment-by-segment numbers:


--Chris Jericho's return lost 8,000 viewers

--Q1 with John Cena's in-ring promo was the highest rated segment of the show

--Punk vs. Ziggler gained around 200,000 viewers (lower than usual for the 10pm slot)
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-- Best of luck Chris Jericho in your future endeavors

-- Not shocking

-- RIP CM Punk's Title Reign
 
funkystudent said:
with all this talk of WWE interest in TNA guys I wounder if we will see any surprise appearances from some ex TNA guys in the rumble like last year when Nash and Booker showed up.
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Damn, now I wish RVD was out of his TNA contract even sooner.

I sort of wonder if Joe will ever be credible again or just be a shell until slipping back into indies? Back when he was on his initial TNA winning streak that brought me and a few others I know into watching the product.
 
RBH said:
Some Raw segment-by-segment numbers:


--Chris Jericho's return lost 8,000 viewers

--Q1 with John Cena's in-ring promo was the highest rated segment of the show

--Punk vs. Ziggler gained around 200,000 viewers (lower than usual for the 10pm slot)
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Less Punk and Jericho, more Cena is the message here.
 
I went back today and was reading up one some of the wrestlers that have died over the past 5 years or so.

Just insane how many great talents are now gone forever.
 
sajj316 said:
Right. Ya my point was that Yoko played his role of a Yokozuna and did it VERY well. Big Show played his role of a big dude. He did get a bit heavy (remember him being sent down to OVW). Both had unique looks. Henry is a fat dude but he's just massive. He looks like and IS the World's Strongest Man.

Joe is just an average-height fat dude like you said. He's booked like crap because TNA and WWE bookers are looking for that certain look. He doesn't have it. Simple as that. Joe is a much better wrestler than Bully Ray. Bully Ray however took on his weight issue. Joe needs to do the same. His best chance at WWE is to get leaner .. or get super fat and be the next Yoko.
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A "lean" Samoa Joe is still an average height fat dude, just not as fat as he is now. The draw was that he was a big guy wrestling like a smaller guy, having great 20+ minute matches night in night out, and being booked well until he had such an aura about him which led to getting noticed by TNA/WWE.

He really doesn't have to drop THAT much weight, the problem is the booking and Joe's lack of fire because he's caught on to the booking.
 
Perspicacity said:
Damn, now I wish RVD was out of his TNA contract even sooner.

I sort of wonder if Joe will ever be credible again or just be a shell until slipping back into indies? Back when he was on his initial TNA winning streak that brought me and a few others I know into watching the product.
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It's all in the booking. I agree that it couldn't hurt for him to lose a few pounds though.
 
dream said:
guys Joe peaked 7 years ago against kobashi. The dream is over, he squandered his talent with bad decisions, not taking care of his body, and losing interest in putting on 5 star matches.
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Laurenaitis should snatch you up quick. As Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim Raw General Manager, it is his responsibility to make sure he has the best scouts on staff to make sure they get the best talent in to the company to perform for their fans, The WWE Univers
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RBH said:
Some Raw segment-by-segment numbers:


--Chris Jericho's return lost 8,000 viewers

--Q1 with John Cena's in-ring promo was the highest rated segment of the show

--Punk vs. Ziggler gained around 200,000 viewers (lower than usual for the 10pm slot)
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Does Meltzer ever say what the "usual" is after he says something is higher or lower than it to try to stir up controversy?
 
Most of the time it's people posting pictures of themselves with celebrities but in this case I suspect it's Diesel posting a picture of himself as a celebrity.
 
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