Jay-Z knocks Occupy Wall Street

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Yes it does suck that we can't all exploit our already vulnerable communities and be successful crack dealers like Jay-z.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
Not really. Occupy's central message of accountability to those who brought about the economic collapse has been rather clear.

The idea that Occupy simply demonizes those with wealth indiscriminately was largely a media construct that a lot of people, Jay-Z included it seems. Though I admit that the Occupy movement did a piss-poor job in dispelling that, or really any notion at all. That, to me, is perhaps the most legitimate criticism of OWS.
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This. I admit I didn't follow the movement very carefully but if what you say is the case then the bolded part is most definitely true
 
LostVoyager said:
It is hard to convey a message when your group is being grossly generalized and the sensationalist media cherry picking the movement.
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If anything, the lesson learned is that a central mouthpiece is key to any sort of movement. I understand why OWS rejected that, in favor of appearing to be a people's movement and not a cult-of-personality, but the result was a clear message that the critics was allowed to muddle and no one with any kind of authority to "unmuddle" it on OWS's behalf. A shame, really.
 
He tried to profit off it and it blew up in his face, now he acts like he was against it all along. It sums up his whole career. He tried to become Nas' friend, was rejected for being the gimp he is, and then dissed Nas. BP3 was going to have autotune, it didn't work so he made an anti autotune song on the album instead. Etc
 
Devolution said:
I don't know about no accomplishments. I think getting people to talk about wealth disparity seriously in this nation is a pretty big one.
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It feels like the only people talking about it were the ones talking about it before.

The rest, somewhat mockingly.

But I could amend my statement to "little accomplishment."
 
Ponn01 said:
Is he in the 1% though?
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http://www.therichest.org/tag/jay-z-net-worth/


Earnings & Net Worth
Total Net Worth: $460 Million As of April 2012
Source of Wealth: Music, Fashion, Diversified
May 2011 to May 2012 Earnings:$35 million
May 2010 to May 2011 Earnings:$37 million
May 2009 to May 2010 Earnings:$63 million
May 2008 to May 2009 Earnings:$35 million
May 2007 to May 2008 Earnings: $82 million
May 2006 to May 2007 Earnings:$34 million
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Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air..
Where are the stans?

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move...
Where are the stans?
Send in the stans.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
If anything, the lesson learned is that a central mouthpiece is key to any sort of movement. I understand why OWS rejected that, in favor of appearing to be a people's movement and not a cult-of-personality, but the result was a clear message that the critics was allowed to muddle and no one with any kind of authority to "unmuddle" it on OWS's behalf. A shame, really.
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Yeah they let idealism organize and shape their movement instead of being more structured. Was rather stupid.
 
People think Jay-Z is great because they compare him to other mainstream garbage like Lil Wayne or 50 Cent. In reality, Jay-Z is a mediocre rapper.

Fuck that guy.
 
Devolution said:
Yeah they let idealism organize and shape their movement instead of being more structured. Was rather stupid.
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It was a noble idea, but it had its flaws. Flaws that plenty of media outlets, on either side, were more than happy to exploit. The number of "lol, smelly hippies" posts that creep up anytime OWS is even mentioned is testament to that.
 
Jay-Z said:
Yeah, the 1 percent that’s robbing people, and deceiving people, these fixed mortgages and all these things, and then taking their home away from them, that’s criminal, that’s bad.
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well then why are you against occupy again?
 
Keru_Shiri said:
If anything, the lesson learned is that a central mouthpiece is key to any sort of movement. I understand why OWS rejected that, in favor of appearing to be a people's movement and not a cult-of-personality, but the result was a clear message that the critics was allowed to muddle and no one with any kind of authority to "unmuddle" it on OWS's behalf. A shame, really.
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True, I guess.
CharlieDigital said:
Like it or not, in the media age, it's true.
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I am not saying it is not true, I am saying that it should not be true nor should anyone try to justify it by claiming that it is hard to take them serious because of their appearance.
 
I don't hear much about wealth disparity or income inequality on major news networks anymore, at least not expressed using those terms. It is jobs, economy, debt, spending.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
It was a noble idea, but it had its flaws. Flaws that plenty of media outlets, on either side, were more than happy to exploit. The number of "lol, smelly hippies" posts that creep up anytime OWS is even mentioned is testament to that.
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Yeah. Not making your message clear like protests of the 60s/70s did them more harm than good. To be fair though, in the 60s/70s, the messages were much more simple. Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Antiwar Protests of Vietnam. OWS failed to capitalize on a wide swath of age groups angry over debt, the economy, the job market while Banks get bailed out with billions for going crazy with their leverage abilities and no one goes to prison.



J-Rod said:
I don't hear much about wealth disparity or income inequality on major news networks anymore, at least not expressed using those terms. It is jobs, economy, debt, spending.
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There definitely needs to be a movement of some sort but enough people think the Dems have their back.
 
Cornbread78 said:
Damn son, you've done it now.....
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naw, the only people who will respond to that silliness are the ones who havent seen it before.

At any rate, Jay either comes off as confused and probably a little salty. I honestly think what he's saying is pretty moderate- that OWS does demonize free enterprise to an extent, and is that right? And he's highlighting the poor organization of the movement... Which it was. I dont know why people are getting all up in arms, its not exactly controversial.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Then you know exactly why he couldn't throw his weight behind it.
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So someone can't be for free enterprise without being against the abuses of it like the subprime predatory lending, the bullshit derivatives, the whole business model of betting against your clients being a profitable thing etc etc etc
 
CharlieDigital said:
You've completely missed the point, then.

In fact, Jay-Z implies that he would have supported it had they gotten their message right.
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Well, they did it get it right. It's just that the media got it wrong, and Occupy could not/would not get it right again. But since it was Occupy's game to lose, I suppose the distinction is meaningless.
 
LostVoyager said:
So someone's appearance should relegate their expressed opinions or views?
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Possibly a poor comparison, but you wouldn't show up to a job interview looking like you just rolled out of bed. If you want people to take you seriously in this world, putting effort into presenting yourself in an decent manner goes a long way.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Too bad OWS did such a terrible job of conveying this.
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The Tea Party was also shitty and disorganized, yet the media narrative made it seem like they had a coherent message.

OWS wasn't exactly rocket science: People are protesting rising wealth inequality. But the media chose not to publicize that centralized message. Gee, I wonder why.
 
ThingontheFloor said:
Possibly a poor comparison, but you wouldn't show up to a job interview looking like you just rolled out of bed. If you want people to take you seriously in this world, putting effort into presenting yourself in an decent manner goes a long way.
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Its a fine comparison I can understand it but this is a protest regarding political views. Even in a job interview I think qualifications should matter and not appearance.
Part of the camping out illustrates that this is a serious issue to them and they will not budge I imagine.
 
polyh3dron said:
So someone can't be for free enterprise without being against the abuses of it like the subprime predatory lending, the bullshit derivatives, the whole business model of betting against your clients being a profitable thing etc etc etc
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Too bad that OWS failed to deliver that message and went for a generic 99% vs 1%.

Even my brother-in-law, who works downtown for Chartis Insurance (spin off from AIG), got hassled going into work with a tie on and I can tell you this: he's as middle class as they come.

It was completely unfocused, misguided, without leadership, without a clear message, and without an actionable outcome.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Too bad that OWS failed to deliver that message and went for a generic 99% vs 1%.

Even my brother-in-law, who works downtown for Chartis Insurance (spin off from AIG), got hassled going into work with a tie on and I can tell you this: he's as middle class as they come.

It was completely unfocused, misguided, without leadership, without a clear message, and without an actionable outcome.
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Is a movement like that supposed to police the fucking idiots? How?
 
SnakeswithLasers said:
The Tea Party was also shitty and disorganized, yet the media narrative made it seem like they had a coherent message.
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SnakeswithLasers said:
The Tea Party was also shitty and disorganized, yet the media narrative made it seem like they had a coherent message.

OWS wasn't exactly rocket science: People are protesting rising wealth inequality. But the media chose not to publicize that centralized message. Gee, I wonder why.
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exactly.

and in this instance, Jay-Z can't connect the dots. His statement is dumb.
 
ThingontheFloor said:
Possibly a poor comparison, but you wouldn't show up to a job interview looking like you just rolled out of bed. If you want people to take you seriously in this world, putting effort into presenting yourself in an decent manner goes a long way.
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Let's be honest, Occupy is only as well-dressed as the worst dressed person someone can catch on film, for most people.
 
SnakeswithLasers said:
The Tea Party was also shitty and disorganized, yet the media narrative made it seem like they had a coherent message.

OWS wasn't exactly rocket science: People are protesting rising wealth inequality. But the media chose not to publicize that centralized message. Gee, I wonder why.
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Tea Party rally for one day, then organized votes in the Republican Primaries, repeat. OWS rallied for many days, didn't organize any votes.

Movements should only start with the protest, the action after the protest is what matters.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
Let's be honest, Occupy is only as well-dressed as the worst dressed person someone can catch on film, for most people.
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It's pretty obvious that in order to take on the whole workings your message needs to be more clear, more concise and you need to make use of youtube with sensationalist messages like that Kony nonsense. Especially if the media is going to try to rake you through the coals, you need a leader, a PR type individual who can withstand such nonsense and cut through the bullshit. OWS never had one and suffered for it.
 
sphagnum said:
Oh boy! A socialist says a thing!
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Ya. A 'socialist' ... Please give me an example of your socialist, non-capitalist utopias that have actually worked in practice?

I can give you several examples of places where government regulated capitalism has led to innovation, education, high standards of living, and general wealth.
 
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