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[viveks86]

Who says Microsoft should be the company to provide that competition?

They sold us out to chase casuals and TV viewers.

They gimped their hardware to force that idiotic camera down our throats.

Ring the bell and tag in Valve to compete. Microsoft can hit the showers.

That's a very good point. As long as Valve can compete, I'm happy to see MS fade away. Right now the Steam box is a big unknown. I don't know if they are after the same audience.

 

[LCfiner]

You are just quoting exceptions. How is competition a bad thing? It can only make things better for us, right? What's wrong in wanting it?



I don't know man. I don't know of many companies enjoying monopoly sustaining success for too long. To say they don't need outside competition is putting blind faith in a corporation. Monopoly always makes people complacent. Internal competition is good, but not as good as external competition.

We want competition. But a lot of us just DO NOT TRUST Microsoft after seeing what their initial vision of the Xbone was (DRM included) and are not happy at all with the remaining bits of their strategy. And the way they have supported consoles in the past after the first few years has not been promising, either.

At this point, I hope MS can be replaced with another company to enter the market.\

edit: I see someone else made a similar point and you responded.

 

[Pop]

Either Sethos is trolling hard or my sarcasm detector is broken.

Fix it

 

[todd360]

Alright, so CoD is 100% confirmed 720p on Xbone and 1080p on PS4 by multiple sources.

BF4 is confirmed 720p on Xbone, but I can't find the confirmation for 1080p on PS4. It's aggrevating, because BF4 on PS4 is the only one that really matters to me anyway.

I know it's buried in here somewhere, but the only thing I saw was the "It's not" reply from Kagari. Did I miss something?

I preordered bf4 digital version (ps4) and the page said it was 1080p. If it's not then that's false advertising. Unless they mean it just upscales to 1080p.

 

[Tagg9]

Alright, so CoD is 100% confirmed 720p on Xbone and 1080p on PS4 by multiple sources.

BF4 is confirmed 720p on Xbone, but I can't find the confirmation for 1080p on PS4. It's aggrevating, because BF4 on PS4 is the only one that really matters to me anyway.

I know it's buried in here somewhere, but the only thing I saw was the "It's not" reply from Kagari. Did I miss something?

Here you go. =) This is as "official" as we get for now.

I don't know what the Xbox One resolution of BF4 is... but if it isn't 1080p it's not going to be the same as the ps4 version - or so I hear.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

For me the issue isn't 720p per se. It's what seems to be reason behind 720p. The impression I've got from the twitter discussions and what CBoat had PM'ed Bish is that the console isn't even ready for launch. It may even explain why games cannot be reviewed at the same time. May be the OS version that the reviewers have right now isn't even stable for them to play the game end-to-end. May be they have been told not to reveal this problem because MS is assuring they'll somehow make it work within a few more days, which is causing all the twitter frustration. So many questions! It would be extremely naive to buy the console at launch if it's coming in so hot!

So basically Xbox One is the new healthcare.gov.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[Finalizer]

Seems like we're on the fast track to 100 pages.

Choo-choo~

 

[Iacobellis]

Seems like we're on the fast track to 100 pages.

Choo-choo~

Why not 720?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

MS fucked up, glad im all in for ps4 now

 

[Vashetti]

I know this sounds crazy but why not delay the Xbox One until early/mid 2014, sort things out better maybe even drop Kinect fix other stuff. Might be some shock for a couple weeks but in the long run wouldn't MS benefit from a delay, because at this point they are gonna have to bail on the current console in a couple years.

MS won't give up the holiday season to Sony/PS4.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I've also been thinking this actually. Sure they'll take a massive hit to thier momentum (not that it's great in the first place), and they'll make a lotta people unhappy, but surely this could improve thier prospects over this gen? Maybe even upgrade specs slightly? If that's even possible now even if they do delay. Unless this really would cos the Xbox division to be scrapped...

MS would lose millions/billions on all of the manufactured consoles if there is a delay and spec change. I just don't see this happening with the current stockholder feelings about the division.

 

[viveks86]

It depends on what you're talking about. I'm talking about games here. There was competition between ND and Insomniac way back and it drove both companies to strive for greatness. Now Sony have many AAA teams fighting to be the top dog. Only Sony teams are going to push the PS4 to the limit and so it follows that only Sony teams are the competition.

Yeah I'm not talking about games. I'm talking about OS features, future hardware competency etc. Unless there is competition forcing companies to one up each other, console features will not evolve as rapidly.

 

[Maninthemirror]

It really looks like ps4 was developed by developers and xb1 was developed by management.

What is so tragic about this situation is that last gen Sony made a more powerful console but difficult to develop for due to tools and cell . This time microsoft made a weak console and difficult to develop due to esRAM and tool. X1 will suffer more than ps3 did as they visual gap between both on multiplatform games might be half way as glaring as between the original Xbox and ps2

 

[PrivateWHudson]

optimized (esram no longer being a hindrance) vs optimized +gpu

See, works both ways.

ESRam cannot close the gap between the consoles. That doesn't mean the Xb1 won't have great games. It will have plenty.

I get you, but in my limited understanding, with the ease of access to the ps4 gpu, they should already be taking advantage of that now vs. not using the esram on the Xbox.

 

[Chobel]

Tell me there's more to this thread than 720p. Because it's 3000 posts in a small number of hours, and pixels don't seem 3000 posts important. Any recap?

This is a good recap

1. Conrad confirms BF4, Ghosts and KI are 720p on Xbox One.
2. Bish hints that if he revealed what he knows via PMs he's received, he'd be going back to the fallout shelter.
3. People start summoning CBOAT.
4. CBOAT materializes, basically says resolutions should be the least of concerns, significant tech issues currently.
5. Poster [FamousMortimer]speculates MS execs/suits meddled with Xbox One's design.
6. CBOAT posts: Fact
7. Various tweets calling out Gies.
8. Gies pretty much confirms dev tools are not up to snuff right now.

Also BF4 is 720p in Xbox One and higher than 720p in PS4 confirmed by a mod here.

 

[Massa]

It really looks like ps4 was developed by developers and xb1 was developed by management.

This applies to pretty much every product Microsoft makes these days.

 

[Prelude.]

Still waiting for that thuway truthbomb.

 

[Iacobellis]

MS won't give up the holiday season to Sony/PS4.

By doing that, they basically give up the entire generation.

 

[Project Alice]

Lets see where the problems lie:

120 million to build a controller when yours is already considered the best.

NFL Exclusivity deal for features that are frankly much cooler on a tablet.

DLC exclusives for games.

Spend a lot of R&D budget on Kinect 2 and make your hardware decisions based primarily on it's latency needs.


Why not spend all of that money on...I don't know, game studios & better hardware.

 

[Ishan]

Yeah I'm not talking about games. I'm talking about OS features, future hardware competency etc. Unless there is competition forcing companies to one up each other, console features will not evolve as rapidly.

yup ms with party chat and live pushed sony into making ps plus the great service it is ... cell being the insane dev nightmare it is and ps3 cost and consequent losses to 360 made sony make such a good console this time round etc etc.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

You really know shit is bad that even cboat is keeping it under wraps. Seems like it's something that can pretty much cause a career suicide if cboat leaks it, and they finally finds out who he really is.

 

[notoriousKTR]

 

[Woo-Fu]

I know this sounds crazy but why not delay the Xbox One until early/mid 2014, sort things out better maybe even drop Kinect fix other stuff. Might be some shock for a couple weeks but in the long run wouldn't MS benefit from a delay, because at this point they are gonna have to bail on the current console in a couple years.

Not an option unless you want to no longer do business with every partner currently targeting games for the release date you've announced.

 

[Foffy]

This is a good recap


Also BF4 is 720p in Xbox One and higher than 720p in PS4 confirmed by a mod here.

Wasn't Assassin's Creed IV also implied to be 720p on Xbone?

 

[ironcreed]

It really looks like ps4 was developed by developers and xb1 was developed by management.

What is so tragic about this situation is that last gen Sony made a more powerful console but difficult to develop for due to tools and cell . This time microsoft made a weak console and difficult to develop due to esRAM and tool. X1 will suffer more than ps3 did as they visual gap between both on multiplatform games might be half way as glaring as between the original Xbox and ps2

Yeah, being weaker, more expensive and harder to develop for is the kicker here that makes this situation unique. Tragic indeed.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

This is a good recap


Also BF4 is 720p in Xbox One and higher than 720p in PS4 confirmed by a mod here.

Thank you, sir. Or madam, as the case may be.

 

[a916]

$60 <-> $399/$499?

Oh my god, I never thought of that!!

 

[TimeEffect]

This has got to be just the tip of the iceberg. These games are by top, top developers and they've thrown up their hands in defeat and are settling for 720p. Imagine what sort of concessions are going to be made by middle of the pack developers? Could we see 60fps PS4 games and 30fps Xbox games? I wonder if it'll end up like PS2 vs Xbox where the Xbox had notable special effects that the PS2 wasn't capable of doing.

Just for my own curiosity: do u have any comparison vids? I've always been curious about this

 

[bigboss370]

mortimer said he heard 1080p but wasnt sure.
a mod said 900p but he/she wasnt sure.
yoshida is mum on it says upto publisher to im tilting towards maybe 900p
all we know we had news it was def above 720p with the exact resolution to be decided due to launch optimizations from some tweet in august.

good summary. also, mortimer's source i believe was someone that just played the game/attempted pixel counting...as far as i recall anyways.

have you heard anything new mort?

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I get you, but in my limited understanding, with the ease of access to the ps4 gpu, they should already be taking advantage of that now vs. not using the esram on the Xbox.

Oops, I meant gpu compute. Once devs start taking advantage of that, it is over. I want devs to max out both consoles. It makes things better for gamers overall.

 

[NullPointer]

4. CBOAT materializes, basically says resolutions should be the least of concerns, significant tech issues currently.
5. Poster speculates MS execs/suits meddled with Xbox One's design.
6. CBOAT posts: Fact

Welp.

This is crazy.

 

[betterman]

I get you, but in my limited understanding, with the ease of access to the ps4 gpu, they should already be taking advantage of that now vs. not using the esram on the Xbox.

probably it's the point

it's PS3/X360 all over again with CELL, but the opposite...the cheaper is easier to develop for...but now the cheaper is the most powerful too...

 

[BeauRoger]

I work weekends in an electronics store, and we used to have a demo station with two identical 42" tvs running the same content in full-hd and hd-ready respectively. It would be useless nowadays since hd-ready tvs above 32" dont exist anymore, but back then we used it to convince people to go full-hd instead of hd-ready.

The point is, almost every customer could instantly spot the difference between 1080p and 720p, even if they had no idea what the purpose of the demo station was until we explained it. Usually they commented on how much better the 1080p tv was, thinking that the tv itself was the
differentiating factor. Point is, they saw the difference without anybody pointing it out. The material used was usually some random cityscape/forest clips along with trailers for movies, mostly animated.

 

[TheRealTalker]

1. Conrad confirms BF4, Ghosts and KI are 720p on Xbox One.
2. Bish hints that if he revealed what he knows via PMs he's received, he'd be going back to the fallout shelter.
3. People start summoning CBOAT.
4. CBOAT materializes, basically says resolutions should be the least of concerns, significant tech issues currently.
5. Poster speculates MS execs/suits meddled with Xbox One's design.
6. CBOAT posts: Fact
7. Various tweets calling out Gies.
8. Gies pretty much confirms dev tools are not up to snuff right now.

what a day seems like these shitstorms always happen on the weekend

 

[Atilac]

My TV displays 720p, but is actually 1680x1050, can the PS4 display at that resolution? 1680x1050? I don't feel like opening a new thread to ask this.

 

[Artex]

Everything is 720p. CBOAT and the mod party dropped Truthfacts about esram being the issue here, and there is far bigger revelation that we don't know about.

GAF exploded with sarcasms, preorder cancellations, hilarity, Geis being Geis, rest of critics breaking embargo while we all wait for this thread to reach critical mass.

All that while MS PR stays quiet.

Par for the course. Thanks. What is the bigger revelation; is that in reference to the PM sent to mods from Lord Buttocks? What's the speculation surrounding that along with CBOAT's cryptic "wait for launch"? What the eff is he alluding to?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

cboat has implied there is more to this egg that will be revealed at or near launch. Apparently it's on the technical side..

Maybe it's just to me, but isn't it immoral to keep potentially big technical news from consumers after the whole RRoD debacle?

Insiders really should spill the beans now and save people spending 500 bones on what might be fundamentally broken tech.

That's just my opinion though...

 

[vilmer_]

Lets see where the problems lie:

120 million to build a controller when yours is already considered the best.

NFL Exclusivity deal for features that are frankly much cooler on a tablet.

DLC exclusives for games.

Spend a lot of R&D budget on Kinect 2 and make your hardware decisions based primarily on it's latency needs.


Why not spend all of that money on...I don't know, game studios & better hardware.

See post 3021.

 

[-PXG-]

Lets see where the problems lie:

120 million to build a controller when yours is already considered the best.

NFL Exclusivity deal for features that are frankly much cooler on a tablet.

DLC exclusives for games.

Spend a lot of R&D budget on Kinect 2 and make your hardware decisions based primarily on it's latency needs.


Why not spend all of that money on...I don't know, game studios & better hardware.

Bullet points man. Gotta tick dem boxes.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

Whoa, Deep Down is 60FPS? Holy shit, it seemed like 30 from the videos.

Never thought I'd be so hyped for a F2P.

Not like you can tell from Youtube videos anyways.

 

[Jonm1010]

This is a good recap


Also BF4 is 720p in Xbox One and higher than 720p in PS4 confirmed by a mod here.

Hmmm.

Makes me wonder now. Confirming it's above 720p but not confirming it's 1080p seems to indicate that it's likely in between. Sucks if true.

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

My TV displays 720p, but is actually 1680x1050, can the PS4 display at that resolution? 1680x1050? I don't feel like opening a new thread to ask this.

ask in the LCD,Plasma, nextgen thread and good call on the new thread for a question

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Yeah I'm not talking about games. I'm talking about OS features, future hardware competency etc. Unless there is competition forcing companies to one up each other, console features will not evolve as rapidly.

I think there are other companies that will push Sony harder than MS.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Unlike Ryse, BF4 is 60fps.

Well I know... and unlike Ryse, BF4 is a FPS. I know.

Speaking of 30fps, I can't wait for the next gen Batman game to come out in a couple years or whenever it does.

 

[frizby]

its confirmed higher than 720p.

mortimer said he heard 1080p but wasnt sure.
a mod said 900p but he/she wasnt sure.
yoshida is mum on it says upto publisher to im tilting towards maybe 900p
all we know we had news it was def above 720p with the exact resolution to be decided due to launch optimizations from some tweet in august.

I preordered bf4 digital version (ps4) and the page said it was 1080p. If it's not then that's false advertising. Unless they mean it just upscales to 1080p.

Here you go. =) This is as "official" as we get for now. [mort quote]

Appreciate the BF4 updates fellas!

That's a little thinner than what we're getting on CoD. Hopefully something definitive will leak out on the PS4 version soon.

 

[sTaTIx]

Alright, so CoD is 100% confirmed 720p on Xbone and 1080p on PS4 by multiple sources.

BF4 is confirmed 720p on Xbone, but I can't find the confirmation for 1080p on PS4. It's aggrevating, because BF4 on PS4 is the only one that really matters to me anyway.

I know it's buried in here somewhere, but the only thing I saw was the "It's not" reply from Kagari. Did I miss something?

Here you go. =) This is as "official" as we get for now.

I don't know what the Xbox One resolution of BF4 is... but if it isn't 1080p it's not going to be the same as the ps4 version - or so I hear.

I'm pretty god damn sure the PS4 version will be 900p. BF4 is a very graphically taxing game, and hitting 60fps is an incredibly difficult target to reach. The game has trouble holding a consistent framerate on even really high-end rigs. DICE was quoted just a few months ago as saying that the PS4 version was "running at a resolution higher than 720p," in the development environment. Unless they made some big performance breakthroughs extremely late in development, I would not hold my hopes up for full 1080p.

I know what famousmortimer said, but his source could have just as easily mistaken upscaled 900p output as full 1080p output... unless his source was a DICE developer, which is just about the only person who would actually know what resolution the PS4 version runs at exactly.

 

[Iacobellis]

Just for my own curiosity: do u have any comparison vids? I've always been curious about this

 

[Metalmurphy]

Holycrap, trip down memory lane.

 

[Hawk269]

I preordered bf4 digital version (ps4) and the page said it was 1080p. If it's not then that's false advertising. Unless they mean it just upscales to 1080p.

Have you ever looked at the back of any 360/PS3 game case and noticed they all say 1080p as well???