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[RichiRamjag]

If I ever become a professional critic, I am never reviewing a fucking Zelda game. Just not worth it.

Like Jim, I'm sure you'd survive.

The rest of you talk about Jim quite a bit for people that don't care about his opinion. I don't care for the dude all that much either, but move the hell on. Stop giving the guy the attention if you don't like him.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Just like your comment.

This guy (Jim) is an asshole. I can't stand him. He's one of the biggest internet trolls I've ever seen and instead of ignoring guys like him he gets so much attention. I will never understand this. never.

The irony here.
Not understanding why Jim gets so much attention while calling him an asshole and spewing vitriolic nonsense about him, instead of just not posting?

Spoiler

the Mario avatar isn't lost on me either

 

[Not Drake]

Just try not to be in the 3% outlier from the general concensus.

Dude you're embarassing yourself by not understanding the basic concepts such as "opinion" and "review".

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Ehh I backed the game on kickstarter. A shame and i hope they update the game to get better performance. I am holding off on playing ME:A for better updates to the game.

 

[Maintenance]

If I ever become a professional critic, I am never reviewing a fucking Zelda game. Just not worth it.

Why? Let them whine and rant, they're actually doing you a favor.

Not reviewing a game because some fans might get angry is even worse.

 

[groansey]

Thanks for illustrating my point.

I was joking, but it was a contrary opinion statistically.

I dont have Zelda yet, but I expect the frame rate, weapon system etc will bother me so I may agree with Jim there.

 

[foxbeldin]

Oh look another thread with Jim Sterling in the title that ended up derailed with his Zelda review.

Get over it.

 

[Stop It]

Just try not to be in the 3% outlier from the general concensus.

Oh my fucking God.

That's ... I mean have you no self awareness at all?

How dare someone break the hive mind.

Here's a hint: Link is the hero of Hyrule, not you. Stop defending it against mean people who don't conform to your expectations of undying love for the game without question.

Edit: yeah, your posts here really look like you're "Joking".

 

[Leyasu]

it was was obvious since the first videos honstly, it just never looked like a good game

Yeah, but this was a game made by former rare staff. If it had turned out great, then threads claiming that rare was dead would have reached new heights. This game would have given extra credence to the claims.

After the gameplay vids, It was already looking like it would not be anything special Imo. After reading this, I think that I might not even get it for my boy.

 

[Soph]

I will refrain from posting anything snarky(edit: I failed) here, but this topic is going places.

Yes, Jims review of BotW was inadequate
Yes, People never trusting Jim again is silly
Yes. people defending Jim for his review are trolling
Yes, people are easily riled up if you shit on a darling game

Oh Internet, you are far too much like normal people sometimes.

This whole topic ain't about that though, it's about something entirely different. Two critics stated the game might not be as good as we thought it would be. That's all. Gee, take that as gospel or not.

 

[March of the Crabs]

Only on NeoGAF can concerned grunts about a collectathon revival spark fierce debates about Zelda reviews, Assassin's Creed 2, the merit of breaking embargo if it's "for the consumers" and how pre-orders are terrible. What a time to be alive!

 

[Doc_Drop]

Christ some of you are barely registering on the visible spectrum you're so seethrough.

And yes Soph, that was a failure

 

[groansey]

Oh my fucking God.

That's ... I mean have you no self awareness at all?

How dare someone break the hive mind.

Here's a hint: Link is the hero of Hyrule, not you. Stop defending it against mean people who don't conform to your expectations of undying love for the game without question.

Edit: yeah, your posts here really look like you're "Joking".

I haven't bought a Zelda game in like 10 years. I don't own a Nintendo console. I don't care what some bloke scored BotW, and the last Zelda game I bought was TP which was massively overrated critically. I'm expecting BotW to underwhelm.

Edit: Point is, people criticize JS for legtimate reasons. It's not all blind fanboyism.

 

[The perfect Dark]

The irony here.
Not understanding why Jim gets so much attention while calling him an asshole and spewing vitriolic nonsense about him, instead of just not posting?

Spoiler

the Mario avatar isn't lost on me either

I don't see the irony and I honestly don't know what my avatar has to do with it. Well there isn't much left to say anyway, so I'm out. It's my opinion.

 

[Soph]

Christ some of you are barely registering on the visible spectrum you're so seethrough.

And yes Soph, that was a failure

I had good intentions, they caught up with me while writing the post, hence the edit of the first sentence.

I'm part of the problem.

 

[Adam_Vania]

Like Jim, I'm sure you'd survive..

lol survive, you mean thrive. much like a right wing radio host, his entire schtick is stirring controversy for personal gain.

 

[Lashley]

Thank God for Jim, huh?

 

[Doc_Drop]

I had good intentions, they caught up with me while writing the post, hence the edit of the first sentence.

I'm part of the problem.

Well at least you have some insight,unlike a few other posters up above.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Just try not to be in the 3% outlier from the general concensus.

We should just do away with reviews.

All that matters is the number. Fans don't care what someone has to say about a game. For them only number matters.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

It will be interesting to see how reviews turn out. I was never optimistic that it would be something I'd like as I haven't cared for open world, collectathon 3D platformers pretty much ever and really don't play many platformers period these days. Was hoping it would turn out well for those who like Banjo Kazooie type games though as those have been missing for a long time.

I get the purpose of embargos, so yeah breaking those is kind of lame. Otherwise, couldn't care less about the backlash at Jim. I don't care for his videos, but my opinion of Zelda is closer to his than the raving love it gets from most. Though I wouldn't score it near a 7 and did feel his score was low for what he seemed to think of the game.

 

[Magwik]

"Why is this thread 22 pages long"
"Oh people are still titled over a review score"

 

[DieNgamers]

It will be interesting to see how reviews turn out. I was never optimistic that it would be something I'd like as I haven't cared for open world, collectathon 3D platformers pretty much ever and really don't play many platformers period these days. Was hoping it would turn out well for those who like Banjo Kazooie type games though as those have been missing for a long time.

I don't think YK is going win anyone over who didn't really like Banjo style games in the first place. Reviews are going to be mixed but that's almost a given when you think about it.

 

[Give War A Chance]

It might be wise to wait for other (p)reviews of this game, because EITHER way, making wild statements about a game we haven't actually seen played in final form seems silly.

 

[March of the Crabs]

We should just do away with reviews.

All that matters is the number. Fans don't care what someone has to say about a game. For them only number matters.

I agree. The only merit I find in reviews these days is if something is genuinely broken, unplayable or so universally and offensively bad that I would know to never buy it. Other than that, everything is so subjective that if you can't find a reviewer that 100% matches up with your tastes and reviews every single game you're considering buying, there's really no point. Numbers are meaningless. I know with Metacritic culture it will never happen, but I would love for all reviews to simply be thoughtful, well-written pieces about a game with no score attached. Just outline what you liked and didn't like. The difference between a "7" and a "9" is meaningless.

 

[halfbeast]

Some people are still upset about his Assassin's Creed 2 review, and that was almost a decade ago.

yeah, and they're both on his podcast!

Yup.

There's quite an amusing correlation of people shitting on Jim that also happen to have Nintendo avatars.

not gonna lie, if I read some harsh critics in any of the threads, I check what avatar they got.

If I ever become a professional critic, I am never reviewing a fucking Zelda game. Just not worth it.

c'mon dude, this is nothing. back in my day, we didn't have internet, so we had to smear their mailboxes with smelly cheese if we disagreed with them.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Yup.

There's quite an amusing correlation of people shitting on Jim that also happen to have Nintendo avatars.

yup

 

[Piers]

The big battle, what isn't as good as you thought it was??
Playtonic, or your childhood game Banjo & Kazooie!?

 

[MrS]

There's quite an amusing correlation of people shitting on Jim that also happen to have Nintendo avatars.

Nailed it.

Jim Sterling is one of the best doing it and he doesn't deserve the ad hominem attacks levelled at him by some ITT. He was on the map way, way before his Zelda review. Everybody knows this.

 

[yophlow]

Feelings be damned: results matter in business. Passion, sweat and effort don't mean shit if you don't produce.

You're more or less correct, but it's a tough situation. Games can not come together for so very many reasons. Usually it's nothing to do with an individual person's talents, or high level vision, or even the team. Playtonic has a great team, there is zero doubt about that.

They longer you work on a game, the technically harder it becomes to change things. And sometimes design problems don't reveal themselves until it's often too late to fully turn around. So sometimes even a great team with all the best ideas, intentions and skills, can find themselves in a tough spot that makes it very hard to just work your way out of. Everyone in game development experiences this on a regular basis. Everyone.

Working your way out of something can be done, but it's MUCH tougher, especially when money is an issue. It's easy for Miyamoto to say "a delayed game is eventually good". He has Nintendo backing him.

What I can also say is that if Yooka Laylee (or any game for that matter) is bad, good, or simply average, the developer already knows it in their heart. All they can do is make the best of it, share their creation with the world and be proud of their incredible achievement of shipping a game. Because no matter what faults of Yooka Laylee become evident when the reviews surface, making this game would be fucking hard and the team should be immensely proud.

But yes - the reality is, only the greatest games deliver results and passion doesn't pay the bills. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, even with the best team, the best concept and the best intentions. It fucking sucks when that happens, and I really hope it doesn't happen for Playtonic. Regardless of the outcome, they deserve mad respect for their work.

 

[AndersK]

Nailed it.

Jim Sterling is one of the best doing it and he doesn't deserve the ad hominem attacks levelled at him by some ITT. He was on the map way, way before his Zelda review. Everybody knows this.

Yeah, you don't accuse their corporate waifu of having uniquely shitty youtube practises without making a few enemies. It's hilarious.

 

[tkscz]

Why would his comments offend you if you wanted to try the game yourself anyway? I'm confused.

They don't. I said it before, I've never really agreed with his opinion when it came to his game reviews and so I just don't listen to them. They don't bother me, I just don't agree with them.

Absoloutely. They can also not care what he thought about Zelda and not shit on his opinion and accuse him of trying to get clicks with his opinions, funny that.

And others can just ignore them and not get themselves angry about what others say about someone else opinion. Wasn't there recently a south park episode about that?

 

[RecRoulette]

Not really a fan of Jim's stuff but I have no problem with anything being said here.

 

[Quonny]

Just like your comment.

This guy (Jim) is an asshole. I can't stand him. He's one of the biggest internet trolls I've ever seen and instead of ignoring guys like him he gets so much attention. I will never understand this. never.

You pre-ordered a game because someone you don't like warned people that the game might not be amazing.

That's petty as hell.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

And others can just ignore them and not get themselves angry about what others say about someone else opinion. Wasn't there recently a south park episode about that?

I'm not angry, I'm mildly amused, if anything.
I find Jim and his opinions to be perfectly rational, and even if I disagreed with them, I wouldn't post garbage like this

This guy (Jim) is an asshole. I can't stand him. He's one of the biggest internet trolls I've ever seen

or this

That 7 on Zelda was the most business decision in modern gaming, lol. Allet eyes on Jim now.

as a means of pooh-poohing Jim's opinions. Nor would I jump into any number of threads related to Jim to tell the world how he is only interested in stirring controversy, particularly when he is offering some decent advice for consumers.

For some, Jim has become something of a hate figure due to his review of Zelda, or him discussing Nintendo in an unfavourable light, and I think it's a shame somebody who has a fairly lengthy professional career in the industry (and is respected) is being denigrated as nothing more than some attention seeking character on a podium.

 

[groansey]

For some, Jim has become something of a hate figure due to his review of Zelda, or him discussing Nintendo in an unfavourable light, and I think it's a shame somebody who has a fairly lengthy professional career in the industry (and is respected) is being denigrated as nothing more than some attention seeking character on a podium.

Jim was a marmite figure long before his Nintendo rants due to the controversial aesthetic of his show, demolishing of Steam releases and tiresome "Thank God for me!" Schtick. Despite the actual videogame content of his work being well-written and mostly on-point.

 

[tkscz]

I'm not angry, I'm mildly amused, if anything.
I find Jim and his opinions to be perfectly rational, and even if I disagreed with them, I wouldn't post garbage like this

or this


as a means of pooh-poohing Jim's opinions. Nor would I jump into any number of threads related to Jim to tell the world how he is only interested in stirring controversy, particularly when he is offering some decent advice for consumers.

For some, Jim has become something of a hate figure due to his review of Zelda, or him discussing Nintendo in an unfavourable light, and I think it's a shame somebody who has a fairly lengthy professional career in the industry (and is respected) is being denigrated as nothing more than some attention seeking character on a podium.

Sounds like a Dane Cook situation then. Let them have their hate figure and do what Jim himself does and ignore them.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Jim was a marmite figure long before his Zelda rants due to the controversial aesthetic of his show, demolishing of Steam releases and tiresome "Thank God for me!" Schtick. Despite the actual videogame content of his work being well-written and mostly on-point.

Being a 'marmite figure' is a bit different than the kind of irrational criticism he is often being subjected to recently. You can dislike his character and disagree with his opinion but straight up calling him an unprofessional asshole and other such rubbish is simply the accuser being bent out of shape because he said something unfavorable about Nintendo. I'm just calling a spade a spade here. I've noticed a growing narrative of trying to paint Jim's opinion as worthless and unprofessional and it's largely nothing more than irrational grumbling from Nintendo fans who have had their jimmies rustled.

 

[Doc_Drop]

Jim was a marmite figure long before his Nintendo rants due to the controversial aesthetic of his show, demolishing of Steam releases and tiresome "Thank God for me!" Schtick. Despite the actual videogame content of his work being well-written and mostly on-point.

Right, but if you (collective you)don't like marmite then don't eat marmite. Why subject yourself to him if you finds him so unpleasant to watch? Why do his opinions carry weight to the point of people stepping in to attempt to discredit him?

It's personal vendettas based on hurt feelings

 

[AlexFlame116]

So basically this thread has gone from "wonder what the problem is" to "hah! Wasn't going to buy the game anyway. Boring world, lifeless characters, etc", then it was "Jim sucks anyways" to "don't trust Jim at all after Zelda" and now finally we get the last part of thread derailment: "all those people hating Jim Sterling must be Zelda fans cause of their Nintendo avatars. Leave Jim alone! He's awesome and you haters are delicate shills who got offended by him speaking truth. I'm gonna be a true gamer and respect the man. You are all just jealous."

Does that sound right?

 

[Milly Osworth]

Yeah, you don't accuse their corporate waifu of having uniquely shitty youtube practises without making a few enemies. It's hilarious.

Aww you buy Sterlings whole fight for justice on Youtube? You realise that he pretends to be a good guy by not showing ads on his videos then makes bank outside of Youtube right? While insisting on using the Youtube services.

 

[Archanfel]

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[AlexFlame116]

Let's get back on topic. This thread is about Yooka Laylee. We should discuss the potential issue.

 

[Glass Shark]

NeoGAF would be a much better place if talking about review scores outside of review threads was bannable...

Still going to give Yooka-Laylee a shot. Unless the frame rate is absolutely abysmal, I'll be able to handle it. I think I'm in the right mood for a classic collectathon.

 

[DrArchon]

I haven't bothered to read the rest of this thread because it looks like an utter tire fire from where I'm sitting, but did either of them hint at what version of the game either of them played?

I mean, I can't imagine the PC version being that bad.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Aww you buy Sterlings whole fight for justice on Youtube? You realise that he pretends to be a good guy by not showing ads on his videos then makes bank outside of Youtube right? While insisting on using the Youtube services.

Whats the problem with that?

 

[King_Moc]

Aww you buy Sterlings whole fight for justice on Youtube? You realise that he pretends to be a good guy by not showing ads on his videos then makes bank outside of Youtube right? While insisting on using the Youtube services.

God forbid you ever try to earn a wage anywhere.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Just try not to be in the 3% outlier from the general concensus.

So, here we are at the root of your problem with Sterling. Let it go and don't be so bitter.

 

[zombipuppy]

edit: wrong thread.

 

[AlexFlame116]

I haven't bothered to read the rest of this thread because it looks like an utter tire fire from where I'm sitting, but did either of them hint at what version of the game either of them played?

I mean, I can't imagine the PC version being that bad.

No hints besides what the title thread states. Some reviewers did hint that they have no idea what Jim and Laura are talking about when it comes to performance. GameXplain did mention that the Xbox One version has some issues.

Basically we need to know what system was being played on.

EDIT: Guys please stop talking about Zelda and review scores. It's derailing the thread even more.

 

[Magwik]

Aww you buy Sterlings whole fight for justice on Youtube? You realise that he pretends to be a good guy by not showing ads on his videos then makes bank outside of Youtube right? While insisting on using the Youtube services.

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