Support NeoGAF

[Lifeline]

Bernie was lacking big endorsements in the primary, wonder why Carter held back till now.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/jimmy-carter-bernie-sanders/

"Can y'all see why I voted for him?" Carter said as Sanders concluded.
Carter's comments, which received light laughter at the event, were apparently the first time he revealed his 2016 Democratic primary choice in public.

Early on in the race for the Democratic nomination, Carter said he believed former secretary of state Hillary Clinton would get the nomination "because money dominates, and she has an inside track to the massive amounts that are going to pour into the Democratic Party side."

Like Sanders, Carter has long railed against the influence of money in politics. He said in 2015 that the US was essentially no longer democratic in nature.
"Now it's just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery," Carter said.

Carter the record if old.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Of course he voted for the best.

 

[mnannola]

Announced your support a little late there prez.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

A very wise choice. Sadly, he waited to long and should have announced his support when it mattered.

 

[Future PhaZe]

He's not wrong.

Money in politics is partly why we got Trump. People felt he was immune to big money bribery. We're going to see more billionaires win primaries moving forward.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Bernie was lacking big endorsements in the primary, wonder why Carter held back till now.

Because Jimmy Carter is a private person and likely didn't want to get into a big political ordeal in the middle of a messy primary.

 

[Htown]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

 

[Lifeline]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

How are we supposed to learn from our mistakes if we get bitter whenever we talk about the past?

 

[Boke1879]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

Right? Who cares. The shit is over and done with and it was the fucking primary.

 

[FyreWulff]

ex presidents generally sit out primary endorsements

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

The OP is largely about Jimmy Carter's opinion on money in politics and why he chose Sanders.
Not feuding about the outcome of the primary.

Hearing past President's speak about money in politics is perfectly fine and relevant.

 

[Malvolio]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

Because hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Maledict]

He's not wrong.

Money in politics is partly why we got Trump. People felt he was immune to big money bribery. We're going to see more billionaires win primaries moving forward.

The candidate who had by far and away the most money *lost*.

 

[Htown]

like, think about how sad it is that Donald Trump keeps bringing up like, electoral college maps and the size of his rallies at this point. that was six months ago, it's pathetic that he's still pointing at that

meanwhile we're back in the primary that was decided like a year ago, still playing "but what about Bernie" games

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Carter 2020.

Let's get him that second term.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Bernie was lacking big endorsements in the primary, wonder why Carter held back till now.

Carter's endorsement would have meant next to nothing.

 

[Marcel]

He's not wrong.

Money in politics is partly why we got Trump. People felt he was immune to big money bribery. We're going to see more billionaires win primaries moving forward.

And this is only the first of many articles on the subject of money in the election.

 

[Laieon]

Good man, more people should have.

 

[Ray Wonder]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

Kinda an important event, the presidential election. Talking about how and why it transpired the way it did, is important. I have a question, who fucking cares if you think we should talk about it?

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Who cares, and it makes sense Carter voted for him.

If he won, Bernie would have ended up just like Carter.

 

[DietRob]

OK. Thanks for the info President Carter?

 

[phanphare]

makes sense

money in politics is a huge issue

 

[StoOgE]

Yeah, that much sought after Carter endorsement surely would have made the masses of primary voters finally feel the bern.

Money in politics is fine to rail against. But until campaign finance reform is the law of the land we need to play with a full deck of cards. Moral high ground is great and all, but I'd rather progressive candidates stand the best chance of winning.

 

[Future PhaZe]

The candidate who had by far and away the most money *lost*.

Trump ran as an anti-establishment figure and people bought in because he was already stupid rich, and thus immune to influence from big money donors. That's a completely different argument than whether the most expensive campaign wins.

And this is only the first of many articles on the subject of money in the election.

see above

 

[Volimar]

So did I Jimmy.

OK. Thanks for the info President Carter?

To be fair, it's the article that made it a big deal. It was just an aside at the event, really.

Yeah, that much sought after Carter endorsement surely would have made the masses of primary voters finally feel the bern.

Money in politics is fine to rail against. But until campaign finance reform is the law of the land we need to play with a full deck of cards. Moral high ground is great and all, but I'd rather progressive candidates stand the best chance of winning.

I wonder how Bernie would have done in the general, fundraising-wise.

 

[PdotMichael]

Who cares, and it makes sense Carter voter for him.

If he won, Bernie would have ended up just like Carter.

That would be 4 years more than Hillary.

 

[ErasureAcer]

People whining about talking about the near past, a year ago, are probably protesting outside churches on Sunday or burning books.

Jesus. Pshh. Stop talking about some guy 2000 years ago.

This book was published in 1994. Shit ain't relevant.

Calm the fuck down people.

 

[Amir0x]

Good for him, the past is cool and this is important to know.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Kinda an important event, the presidential election. Talking about how and why it transpired the way it did, is important. I have a question, who fucking cares if you think we should talk about it?

.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

He's not wrong.

Money in politics is partly why we got Trump. People felt he was immune to big money bribery. We're going to see more billionaires win primaries moving forward.

if that is the case the conclusion to draw from this would be that people are fucking morons.

 

[Dude Abides]

Well that makes one person in Georgia who did.

 

[Lifeline]

Yeah, that much sought after Carter endorsement surely would have made the masses of primary voters finally feel the bern.

Maybe I'm valuing the endorsement too much, but sure would've helped go against the "why is no one endorsing Bernie" narrative that was going around.

But then again, I can see GAF downplaying the endorsement. "Who cares about col sanders and tarter sauce"

 

[Blader]

Kinda an important event, the presidential election. Talking about how and why it transpired the way it did, is important. I have a question, who fucking cares if you think we should talk about it?

Is anyone still confused about why the presidential election transpired the way it did? The reasons have been outlined and explained quite clearly many times.

 

[StoOgE]

People whining about talking about the near past, a year ago, are probably protesting outside churches on Sunday or burning books.

Jesus. Pshh. Stop talking about some guy 2000 years ago.

This book was published in 1994. Shit ain't relevant.

Calm the fuck down people.

Are there a group of people that began worshipping Jimmie Carter as the son of God and his writings as the living word of God that are supposed to show a way forward towards truth, everlasting life and forgiveness of sins that I am unaware of?

 

[shamanick]

Carter is awesome, and he is absolutely correct about the oligarchy

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

why did you post in this thread

 

[Koomaster]

Well, I guess we all make mistakes now and then.

 

[phanphare]

Kinda an important event, the presidential election. Talking about how and why it transpired the way it did, is important. I have a question, who fucking cares if you think we should talk about it?

can't believe this even needed to be said

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

That would be 4 years more than Hillary.

Not if the Russians had anything to say about it.

 

[teruterubozu]

I got a question

who fucking cares?

we gonna keep going on and on about the damn primary for the next four years? get the fuck over it and move on

I agree. There's a difference between learning from the past a beating a dead fucking horse. It's been one big horse corpse beatdown around here with very little productive lessons.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Maybe I'm valuing the endorsement too much, but sure would've helped go against the "why is no one endorsing Bernie" narrative that was going around.

But then again, I can see GAF downplaying the endorsement. "Who cares about col sanders and tarter sauce"

It's not downplaying. Carter wouldn't have moved the needle or changed any narrative.

I say this as a Bernie supporter that had reasonable expectations aka I never expected him to secure the nomination.

 

[Volimar]

Are there a group of people that began worshipping Jimmie Carter as the son of God and his writings as the living word of God that are supposed to show a way forward towards truth, everlasting life and forgiveness of sins that I am unaware of?

You don't know my life!

<hastily closes door to secret peanut shrine>

 

[The Technomancer]

Cool

 

[StoOgE]

Maybe I'm valuing the endorsement too much, but sure would've helped go against the "why is no one endorsing Bernie" narrative that was going around.

But then again, I can see GAF downplaying the endorsement. "Who cares about col sanders and tarter sauce"

Bernie didn't win the endorsement because minorities didn't vote for him in numbers that mattered.. If the economically liberal wing of the party wants to make real inroads they are going to need to look in the mirror and figure out why their message doesn't resonate.

I don't think a Carter endorsement would have fixed that problem.

 

[Diprosalic]

This is big for Bernie. This might help turn his campaign around.

 

[PdotMichael]

Is anyone still confused about why the presidential election transpired the way it did? The reasons have been outlined and explained quite clearly many times.

Why not just skipping this thread instead of telling people what they should do or not?

 

[ErasureAcer]

Are there a group of people that began worshipping Jimmie Carter as the son of God and his writings as the living word of God that are supposed to show a way forward towards truth, everlasting life and forgiveness of sins that I am unaware of?

I think you took my post too literally and missed the point.

 

[Blader]

That would be 4 years more than Hillary.

I don't really want to tease out the relitigate-the-2016-primary-for-the-nth-time that's hiding in plain sight in your post, so I'll just leave it at: Jimmy Carter, great human being, one of our best post-presidents, but had a disastrous presidency that was partly afflicted by an inherited bad economy but also a product of his own incompetence at managing an administration and relations with Congress. He entered office with a post-Watergate liberal Congress, got nothing done because he was just that bad at legislating, and laid the groundwork for 12 years of Republican presidencies that completed shifted the overton window in this country for decades.

There's no good in electing a president who governs just like Jimmy Carter.

Why not just skipping this thread instead of telling people what they should do or not?

I didn't tell him to do or not do anything. I just think "why did this election happen the way it did" is not some big mystery anymore.

 

[boiled goose]

The candidate who had by far and away the most money *lost*.

Money influences politics in many ways.

Without having to appeal to donors, Hillary would have probably adopted different positions.

She would have spent more time with constituents and less time fundraising.

Maybe her Record would have been different. Bankruptcy bill, iraq war.

Trump is incredibly corrupt, yet Hillary got pegged as corrupt by a swindling billionaire.

Maybe she wouldn't even be the candidate.

Also money matters. 90 percent more money wins. Big elections matters less because of free media. Regardless, I outlined how it affected race

 

[soundscream]

Lets be honest, a one term presidents endorsement isnt a huge factor.

 

[PdotMichael]

I don't really want to tease out the relitigate-the-2016-primary-for-the-nth-time that's hiding in plain sight in your post, so I'll just leave it at: Jimmy Carter, great human being, one of our best post-presidents, but had a disastrous presidency that was partly afflicted by an inherited bad economy but also a product of his own incompetence at managing an administration and relations with Congress. He entered office with a post-Watergate liberal Congress, got nothing done because he was just that bad at legislating, and laid the groundwork for 12 years of Republican presidencies that completed shifted the overton window in this country for decades.

There's no good in electing a president who governs just like Jimmy Carter.



I didn't tell him to do or not do anything. I just think "why did this election happen the way it did" is not some big mystery anymore.

Of couse you did, you even went off topic because OP isn't about what you think it is. But I guess that are still some Clinton defence force reflexes.