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[AgentP]

Looks like a sports game.

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

Why is the kicker running the ball?

 

[schwabdizzle]

If its aracade-ish like NFL Blitz for 64, Im game.

 

[Derpyduck]

You can see the rehab clinic reflected in his visor.

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

i don't think it's that easy. i doubt whatever developer is making this is getting the funding to create great gameplay year 1. game will probably be pretty mediocre on the field but the graphics might be good?

Yeah, it's not like some 10 man team didn't just put out a game that shit all over a major EA franchise in both the gameplay and graphics department.

 

[Doffen]

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

Why not?

 

[Spinluck]

That in-game pic can pass as a console game, it doesn't really show much. Would like to see how it looks in motion.

Yeah, it's not like some 10 man team didn't just put out a game that shit all over a major EA franchise in both the gameplay and graphics department.

Oh damn, what game are you referring to?

 

[Lockjaw333]

No NFL license? Hype deflated...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

There's way too much blur in that pic to really tell what the game looks like.

 

[IcyRhythms]

That in-game pic can pass as a console game, it doesn't really show much. Would like to see how it looks in motion.




Oh damn, what game are you referring to?

If 2K is developing, it will look and play great in motion.

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

That in-game pic can pass as a console game, it doesn't really show much. Would like to see how it looks in motion.




Oh damn, what game are you referring to?

Cities: Skylines

 

[Sou Da]

Cities: Skylines

Is not a graphically better game than Simcity.

 

[npa189]

I really hope that reddit rumor is true, there needs to be a challenger to the stale crustiness of madden. More competition can only make these games better, lets just pray its not mobile.

 

[belushy]

I really hope that reddit rumor is true, there needs to be a challenger to the stale crustiness of madden. More competition can only make these games better, lets just pray its not mobile.

Operation Sports rumor

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

Madden dont never look like that when you play it lol

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

Is not a graphically better game than Simcity.

I think it looks better, but that subjective argument aside, the point remains that a small team made a much better game than EA.

 

[LyleLanley]

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

This is an accurate representation of what Madden actually looks like.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Yeah, it's not like some 10 man team didn't just put out a game that shit all over a major EA franchise in both the gameplay and graphics department.

if football games are so easy to design why have the vast majority been awful? GameDay 99 and on, ESPN Sunday Night football, madden 06 360, nfl fever, etc.

Cities vs sim city is a different comparison

 

[Mufc1427]

And? It doesn't look like a console game.

That's a bullshot. Madden doesn't look like that at all.

 

[AgentP]

Why not?

Flat lighting, low detail models and tons of DoF and motion blur to hide it? It looks like a modern iPad game IMO.

 

[blakep267]

Madden dont never look like that when you play it lol

yeah. I cans still see RG3's pathetic looking braids clipping through his jersey

 

[AgentP]

That's a bullshot. Madden doesn't look like that at all.

Then apples to apples.

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

if football games are so easy to design why have the vast majority been awful? GameDay 99 and on, ESPN Sunday Night football, madden 06 360, nfl fever, etc.

Cities vs sim city is a different comparison

It's not really. Sometimes you need a fresh take. I can't imagine how much legacy code they're still using for Madden. A fresh, brand new engine might be what's needed to bring football to the current gen.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Madden dont never look like that when you play it lol

Really? You mean a close up replay camera isn't playable?! I'm shocked!

This is why I laughed at the NBA 2k close up graphics. Who gives a shit? The madden pic above is in game graphics so it actually does look like that

 

[RoKKeR]

Madden dont never look like that when you play it lol

It does though, mostly. Maybe it's because I'm a casual sports fan but I think Madden 15 looks pretty solid.

 

[Phreak47]

Bring this back too

Best baseball game I ever played.

Holy shit, I remember my friend and me just laughing our asses off with this game by manipulating the voice to keep going off:

- Get a runner safely to first
- Throw to first base anyway
- Repeatedly run the first baseman off and back on the bag (with the runner on it)

Result:

He's safe! Safe! Not in time! Not in time! Safe! Safe! Safe! He's safe! Safe! Not in time!

 

[xir]

It's like that episode of Fringe... what if Madden died in a plane accident while wearing socks in 1988?

 

[Doffen]

Flat lighting, low detail models and tons of DoF and motion blur to hide it? It looks like a modern iPad game IMO.

It can still be a console game.

 

[R3TRO]

It does though, mostly. Maybe it's because I'm a casual sports fan but I think Madden 15 looks pretty solid.

Yeah this year was pretty good graphically.

 

[IcyRhythms]

How do you propose they make drastic improvements with only a 6 month Dev cycle?
I'm not saying Madden is perfect but people gotta be realistic.

I do wish they spent those 6 months a little more wisely than they do some years. Like the year we got 3v3 because supposedly that's what more people wanted than online franchise.

This sounds like you're making excuses for EA and Madden. 2K makes nice changes to NBA2K every year. Some of them don't always work out the way they were intended, but I'm being realistic. 2K/Visual concepts used to make big change each year for their NFL games as well. If they're finding the cycle difficult, take a year off from release.

 

[Justified]

This sounds like you're making excuses for EA and Madden. 2K makes nice changes to NBA2K every year. Some of them don't always work out the way they were intended, but I'm being realistic. 2K/Visual concepts used to make big change each year for their NFL games as well. If they're finding the cycle difficult, take a year off from release.

I know its a different team, but taking a year off hasnt help NBA Live,

 

[IcyRhythms]

I know its a different team, but taking a year off hasnt help NBA Live,

NBA Live has been BAD(really bad)long before they were taking breaks. The last decent NBA Live game was NBA Live 10. Wouldn't ya know it, Mike Wang came over from Visual Concepts to help them that year lol

 

[Allforce]

If they just released a solid football game with great gameplay and mechanics, then slap a Forza-style editor on top of it where everything is just "layers", then do it. Let the community do the work for nothing. You'll have every NFL team made with full 53 man rosters and accurate pads and accessories within 24 hours of the games release. Add in unlimited player customization (NOT the bullshit "Bronze/Silver/Gold" management of All-Pro Football 2K8) and you've done what everyone is clamoring for.

Like the example above about wrestling games, just give us the foundation of a great game version of the sport and let the community do the heavy lifting when it comes to customization.

i don't think it's that easy. i doubt whatever developer is making this is getting the funding to create great gameplay year 1. game will probably be pretty mediocre on the field but the graphics might be good?

I agree to an extent, but I don't think it's an impossible task. All-Pro Football 2K8 was a solid game and still plays great, it was a modern update on 2K5. Problem was it was bogged down by their insistence on limiting the create-a-team/player/etc and shoehorning in a bunch of ex-NFL players thinking it would sell the game.

They literally just had to slap a more robust customization mode on it andI really think people would still be playing it today. Hell I think it came out for PC and people ARE doing this, but I might be mistaken and it's 2K5 that people are still modding and playing today.

 

[Orca]

That's a bullshot. Madden doesn't look like that at all.

Just took these screenshots from the latest Madden. First is actual gameplay angle, the second is about as much of a gameplay angle as that Montana screen is.

I know people want Madden to fail but let's not be ridiculous in trying to tear it down.

 

[gthobbes]

Doesn't change the fact that NFL2K released at bargain bin prices on day one, which I'm sure the NFL loved. They rightfully see themselves as a premium league, and 2K's price war with EA cheapened their product.

More nonsense. The NFL could care less -- they only cared when EA showed up with a bigger bag of money than their license was really worth. Sure, the NFL took the big bag of money from 'em -- but let's be clear...EA initiated this to obtain a monopoly on the market. And they got away with it for a cool $27 million to Geoffrey Pecover and the rest of the class plaintiffs.

 

[IcyRhythms]

Just took these screenshots from the latest Madden. First is actual gameplay angle, the second is about as much of a gameplay angle as that Montana screen is.

I know people want Madden to fail but let's not be ridiculous in trying to tear it down.

We don't want Madden to fail. We just want good competition. They don't even try anymore. I used to buy Madden and 2K every year because EA was actually trying to compete.

 

[Orca]

More nonsense. The NFL could care less -- they only cared when EA showed up with a bigger bag of money than their license was really worth. Sure, the NFL took the big bag of money from 'em -- but let's be clear...EA initiated this to obtain a monopoly on the market. And they got away with it for a cool $27 million to Geoffrey Pecover and the rest of the class plaintiffs.

From what I recall, the NFL shopped the license - EA didn't initiate it, they just had the deepest pockets.

 

[jmizzal]

New pic lol, they def know about the leak and are trying to keep the hype up, NFL teams or bust for me

 

[gthobbes]

From what I recall, the NFL shopped the license - EA didn't initiate it, they just had the deepest pockets.

You recall wrong. As I mentioned earlier, the Pecover litigation documents proved for a fact that EA shopped the deal to Roger Goodell/the NFL, after EA panicked over 2K. Look it up.

 

[IcyRhythms]

More nonsense. The NFL could care less -- they only cared when EA showed up with a bigger bag of money than their license was really worth. Sure, the NFL took the big bag of money from 'em -- but let's be clear...EA initiated this to obtain a monopoly on the market. And they got away with it for a cool $27 million to Geoffrey Pecover and the rest of the class plaintiffs.

Um, I don't know how accurate that is. My understanding is that the NFL wanted one NFL game to represent their brand.(which is complete shit in a sports/league where competition is why we watch) EA had tried to get an exclusive deal years before, yes, but I don't think EA just came to the NFL's door with "please let us be the only one"

The NFL went to 2K...EA's bid was higher.

I too used to hate on EA for that thinking it was all EA, but the NFL wanted one game representing them. I now blame the NFL for the exclusive deal and EA for not trying

 

[Justified]

From what I recall, the NFL shopped the license - EA didn't initiate it, they just had the deepest pockets.

No... The Lawsuit reveal that that story was BS. EA went to them

 

[gthobbes]

Um, I don't know how accurate that is. My understanding is that the NFL wanted one NFL game to represent their brand.(which is complete shit in a sports/league where competition is why we watch) EA had tried to get an exclusive deal years before, yes, but I don't think EA just came to the NFL's door with "please let us be the only one"

The NFL went to 2K...EA's bid was higher.

I too used to hate on EA for that thinking it was all EA, but the NFL wanted one game representing them. I now blame the NFL for the exclusive deal and EA for not trying

Wrong. I'll be back with the Pecover link. This is all on EA.

Edit: Here it is:

http://easportslitigation.com/pdf/Paynter Declaration Ex. C - Part 1.pdf

 

[k3rn3ll]

Looks to me like it could be a 7on7 game going by the most recent picture. Theres not a whole lot of people shown for it covering half the field in that angle

 

[SyenceLabb]

But I disagree with how they're dealing with the public and how they plan to continue to do so. You just have no idea how long they're planning to drag even basic info out.

Funny how Joe Cool and Damon Grow been doing exactly this. No official media/press release. No idea who the publisher/developers are (Unless Super Secret Sports Company is the actual name of the company Damon works for).

Now they post a screenshot that looks like it was purposely made to look bad. It's washed out, blurry, with a terrible angle. Not something you would post to the public to get hype going. Something is amiss.

 

[Justified]

Wrong. I'll be back with the Pecover link. This is all on EA.

Edit: Here it is:

http://easportslitigation.com/pdf/Paynter Declaration Ex. C - Part 1.pdf

Also in the original story from 2004 EA admitted to the press they were lobbying the NFL for years before the deal. This type of shit happen all the time in exclusive rights, and contract deals.

Make smoke-filled back room deals, put up a phoney bidding war, grant it to the company of your choice anyway

The deal, one EA admits to having lobbied for over the past few years, is an exclusive five-year licensing deal granting EA the sole rights to the NFL's teams, stadiums, and players. However, the publisher and Players Inc. denied a similar deal was in the works in May 2004, even requesting publications that ran the story run public retractions.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/big-deal-ea-and-nfl-ink-exclusive-licensing-agreement/1100-6114977/

 

[kess]

 

[Skiptastic]

LMFAO@the people saying nonsense about "no NFL license=no buy from me" lol YOU PEOPLE are why Madden continues to be same game every year. You don't demand better. You just want your favorite players and teams. Go play Madden, then. I'll stick to the game(while not perfect)that represents the game that I love better than that trash.

I haven't purchased a football game since APF2K8. So I do demand better, but I love the NFL. I'm a season ticket holder to the Colts. Having the ability to FINALLY play as the Colts again on a console game that I respect would make me SO EXCITED for this game. That's why not having that license would be a major downer. I'd probably still buy (day one if Dan Stevens and Peter O'Keefe) but it wouldn't be as enthusiastic.

Maybe I'm more displeased with the team building mechanics of APF2K8 when they are so natural in NFL2K5. :/

 

[Derpyduck]

More nonsense. The NFL could care less -- they only cared when EA showed up with a bigger bag of money than their license was really worth. Sure, the NFL took the big bag of money from 'em -- but let's be clear...EA initiated this to obtain a monopoly on the market. And they got away with it for a cool $27 million to Geoffrey Pecover and the rest of the class plaintiffs.

Bullshit.

 

[Orca]

Wrong. I'll be back with the Pecover link. This is all on EA.

Edit: Here it is:

http://easportslitigation.com/pdf/Paynter Declaration Ex. C - Part 1.pdf

Did you miss the part on page 23 where it says that EA was aware ESPN/Take-Two were bidding for exclusive rights to the NFL/NFLPA?

It's in the middle of all those blacked-out sections.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Just took these screenshots from the latest Madden. First is actual gameplay angle, the second is about as much of a gameplay angle as that Montana screen is.

I know people want Madden to fail but let's not be ridiculous in trying to tear it down.

I don't think people want EA to fail as much as they just want competition. If EA was forced to actually try with Madden these days then it would benefit the consumers no matter what version they end up getting...heck, many would even entertain buying both if they were pushing each other.