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John Wick: Chapter 4 releases
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Grildon Tundy
Member
Nah, he just had the clear drop on John where the rest hadn't (at least by its own internal logic)
That's strange because the first movie took pains to count how many rounds he had in his gun and reload accordingly. That's what I remember hearing anyway
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Keanu is definitely showing his age. With every movie he's becoming more stiffer. That grandpa wobble while moving was quite distracting. And his line delivery seemed especially bad in this movie even by his standards. Guy couldn't even deliver a simple "Yeah!" properly.
Action is obviously top notch. I will always appreciate action scenes that aren't filled with vomit inducing quick cuts.
Story wise it's a mess. Should have stayed more grounded instead of going bigger and making everything more convoluted with the whole high table. At this point the story is not even good enough to just take you through the movie, but actually ruins everything. Won't lie, I did check the clock to see how much longer until end.
Fishburne's characater ended up completely pointless. 3rd movie made it look like they gonna show the table who's the boss just to end up going in some completely different direction. Also it's starting to suffer from repitition by trying to recreate the same scenes. Yeah, the club scene from the first movie was epic. How many more times you gonna repackage it?
For me this franchaise is starting to overstay it's welcome.
Action is obviously top notch. I will always appreciate action scenes that aren't filled with vomit inducing quick cuts.
Story wise it's a mess. Should have stayed more grounded instead of going bigger and making everything more convoluted with the whole high table. At this point the story is not even good enough to just take you through the movie, but actually ruins everything. Won't lie, I did check the clock to see how much longer until end.
Fishburne's characater ended up completely pointless. 3rd movie made it look like they gonna show the table who's the boss just to end up going in some completely different direction. Also it's starting to suffer from repitition by trying to recreate the same scenes. Yeah, the club scene from the first movie was epic. How many more times you gonna repackage it?
For me this franchaise is starting to overstay it's welcome.
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Exactly my thoughts.
To me, this movie was a cash grab because it brought nothing new to the table, and barely moved the needle when it came to the story.
Action was just the same similar action scenes from previous movies, the story was just "oh well, it's not over John, gotta keep killing" to ad nauseum because they're REALLY stretching it way too thin, the color grading was overly done to the point where even the emotional scenes felt off key because of how green or orange their faces are lit up, and as you said, it's obvious Keanu struggles with the scenes by now.
It isn't a bad movie, but if you turn on your brain while watching it, it really is kind of a mid-tier movie and I'm surprised that everyone is rating is so high tbh.
To me, the movie should have ended by the 3rd movie. This 4th movie is unnecessary, and it shows.
protonion
Member
Saw it yesterday and loved it. They could easily cut 20-30 minutes though. Esp the Osaka fight was too long. And just like in video games, bullet sponge enemies are no fun.
The Berlin club was the highlight for me.
I don't know if it was obvious for most but my mind was blown when I learned that Killa is the same actor as Yuri Boyka!!! In any case, awesome scene!
About the duel at the end,
I am not sure why John didn't shoot. I don't think he wanted to trick Marquis to enter the duel, too far fetched. Maybe he chose to die to save his friends' daughter.
The Berlin club was the highlight for me.
I don't know if it was obvious for most but my mind was blown when I learned that Killa is the same actor as Yuri Boyka!!! In any case, awesome scene!
About the duel at the end,
I am not sure why John didn't shoot. I don't think he wanted to trick Marquis to enter the duel, too far fetched. Maybe he chose to die to save his friends' daughter.
decisions
Member
In terms of action this is the best one yet. Multiple standout scenes with the first 45 mins probably being the peak of series’ action.
I just don’t like how comic book the whole secret society has become. This plot revolves around a major MacGuffin that for me jumped the shark. I think if they do another one they should just get rid of the High Table and have John Wick fight a PMC to save a new love interest or something.
I just don’t like how comic book the whole secret society has become. This plot revolves around a major MacGuffin that for me jumped the shark. I think if they do another one they should just get rid of the High Table and have John Wick fight a PMC to save a new love interest or something.
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Batiman
Banned
Just got out of the theatre an hour ago. Loved it but man it needed to be trimmed down a half hour. Wick had like 4 lines in the movie it seemed like. Donnie yen’s character was great. The top down scene was masterful.
I’m not sure how Winston was able to be involved at the end when I thought he was completely cut off. I still get confused about the lore of the society and rules here and there. Not that it’s that important. Mcshane is always great
I’m not sure how Winston was able to be involved at the end when I thought he was completely cut off. I still get confused about the lore of the society and rules here and there. Not that it’s that important. Mcshane is always great
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The OLD WAYS!
Ovech-King
Member
You're correct the first one and even the second one did a good job at that . In chapter 4 , id say he can go 20 bullets on a pistol clip easy before reloading , it was a bit ridiculous
That's normal for 9mm handguns.
The PIt Viper, his main pistol in this movie, has a 21 round capacity.
DKehoe
Gold Member
If I remember right Laurence Fishburne's character mentions that capacity when giving him the gun when they meet in the Paris subway station.That's normal for 9mm handguns.
The PIt Viper, his main pistol in this movie, has a 21 round capacity.
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They have said previously they count every shot while filming so that they know how much is in each clip and each moment.
The silly part isn't the clips, it is the magic Kevlar suits that stop all bullets. But I ignored that because it is a movie.
pramod
Banned
One funny thing that came to my mind was, John Wick is supposed to be this loner guy who has no friends, they even say this in the movie, but so far we've seen at least 4-5 "friends" throughout the series that would risk their lives to help him. That's more than I have in my life.
Ovech-King
Member
Oh yeah the suit
and thanks to
EviLore
for educating me . I still think that shotgun had a HUUUUUGE clip 
HotSauceEnema
Member
I would imagine if you get out of that lifestyle even if you have lifelong friends you are not going to be around them. Plenty of quotes about the type of people you surround yourself with, it's one of the biggest things they tell to recovering addicts, etc. Don't associate with people engaging in stuff you don't want to be engaging in. So if you want to get out of the assassin game... don't hang out with your assassin friends, and you become a loner.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I was entertained but both me and my wife were happy it was over. It's simply too long and suffering from "been there done that".
The standout scene was him using dragons breath rounds in the abandoned hotel, that was really cool and different.
The standout scene was him using dragons breath rounds in the abandoned hotel, that was really cool and different.
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Rockondevil
Member
Saw it on the weekend and absolutely loved it. I don’t think it’s my favourite, but it was another amazing addition.
The only thing I didn’t like was the suits. I do like the kevlar suit gimmick, but they were just holding it over their faces far more than I previously remember.
Overall definitely worth seeing. I love all the little bits of lore that gets added each time.
The only thing I didn’t like was the suits. I do like the kevlar suit gimmick, but they were just holding it over their faces far more than I previously remember.
Overall definitely worth seeing. I love all the little bits of lore that gets added each time.
pramod
Banned
Yeah to be honest the lore and the side characters have become a lot more interesting to me than watching John kill the 1625382th nameless bad guy.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I liked it quite a bit! More than 2 and 3. Arguably better than 1, though there is a freshness and earnestness to 1 that any sequel could never match.
Utterly unrelented. Some really fun ideas. Only thing that was kind of unnecessary was Mr. Nobody, but I didn't mind too much. His dog was beautiful so I was alright with him in the end.
Donny Yen is a monster in this. Really elevated it. So did Hiroyuki Sanada.
Utterly unrelented. Some really fun ideas. Only thing that was kind of unnecessary was Mr. Nobody, but I didn't mind too much. His dog was beautiful so I was alright with him in the end.
Donny Yen is a monster in this. Really elevated it. So did Hiroyuki Sanada.
The ninja farmer
Member
I thought they showed John grabbing magazines and reloading clips, during the dragons breath scene
You see him rolling and pausing at bodies. As he moves around and goes room to room and back again. I took that to be him grabbing shotgun clips (as seen during the earlier scene with the various gangs tooling up for John’s arrival) and reloading the absolute cannon he was carrying
And they do mention that the pit viper has a 21 round magazine. But later, you see him running and gunning with found guns and magazines. Not sure all of those guns have huge magazines (kinda like when he uses the 7 rounds he has, near the end of John wick 2 and had to instantly start picking up dropped weapons)
Cool movie and great way to end the series, if it is the end. I have really enjoyed all the movies and appreciate lots of different things, across them all. It’s very rare a series and a heavy action series, can manage that and maintain the level of the previous movie
I was hopeful of maybe one more. But can see how they just went for it and made a long movie to replace doing 2 (which they could have done, anything around when John hits Paris, or even at the end of the German club scene). I thought they were even doing back to back movies, at one point
You see him rolling and pausing at bodies. As he moves around and goes room to room and back again. I took that to be him grabbing shotgun clips (as seen during the earlier scene with the various gangs tooling up for John’s arrival) and reloading the absolute cannon he was carrying
And they do mention that the pit viper has a 21 round magazine. But later, you see him running and gunning with found guns and magazines. Not sure all of those guns have huge magazines (kinda like when he uses the 7 rounds he has, near the end of John wick 2 and had to instantly start picking up dropped weapons)
Cool movie and great way to end the series, if it is the end. I have really enjoyed all the movies and appreciate lots of different things, across them all. It’s very rare a series and a heavy action series, can manage that and maintain the level of the previous movie
I was hopeful of maybe one more. But can see how they just went for it and made a long movie to replace doing 2 (which they could have done, anything around when John hits Paris, or even at the end of the German club scene). I thought they were even doing back to back movies, at one point
The king is dead, long live the king
As the Bowery king would say
As the Bowery king would say
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WhatDidHeSay?
Member
Anyone feeling a potential Yen spin off? Expanding the Wick universe potentially?...
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
This was my favorite of the bunch. I'll be buying this one physically.
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What about emotionally.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I got emotional when the flame round shotgun came out. That was pure joy
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Great sequence. I do need one of those amazing bullet proof jackets.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
John Wick Chapter 4: A+
This movie was fing NUTS and fantastic
Favorite Parts
There's just so many fantastic action scenes in this movie. It's up there for me when it comes to action with the all time greats like The Raid movies, Heat, Die Hard, etc
This movie was fing NUTS and fantastic
Favorite Parts
The whole shoot out on the road, round about, the fire shell shotgun scene, staircase scene, the nunchuck scene, etc.
I admit I teared up near the end. It was a great end for John Wick
I admit I teared up near the end. It was a great end for John Wick
There's just so many fantastic action scenes in this movie. It's up there for me when it comes to action with the all time greats like The Raid movies, Heat, Die Hard, etc
FunkMiller
Member
The whole Paris sequence is awesome sauce… but Jesus Christ the film is way too long.
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The movie is so long because only John Wick aims for the head.
Ballthyrm
Member
As a frenchman the arc de triomphe scene was a little bit too realistic. That's really how parisians drive.
Neolombax
Member
A bit disappointed to be honest. Its still a great action movie, I feel no other movie can match how beautiful the action scenes were shot and put together. But for the most part I felt the movie dragged on for far too long. The action sequences after a while felt more or less the same except for the last act. The first one is still my personal favourite. I still watch it from time to time.
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BlackTron
Member
Yeah the original reminded me of Taken how it came out of nowhere and stands really firmly on its own without any sequels.
Insane Metal
Member
Thought it was completely stupid. No shot ever hits the man. That fucking suit. The swords. Come on. Everything has a limit, even stupidity.
John Marston
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Fbh
Member
Finally watched it.
Really enjoyed it, this is probably my favorite one since the first (though I still like the more grounded style of the first one better). Great action with lots of awesome setpiece moments (specially that top down view scene in Paris) and great overall visuals. This is easily the best looking movie I've seen in a while, they did a great job mixing practical with digital effects and the relatively high contrast look really makes it shine on an Oled TV, specially compared with some other movies I've seen recently which go with this hazy look where blacks always look very grey.
Donnie Yen was great too, the way he moves and how they choreographed his fights sold this idea of a blind fighter way better than any similar concept I've seen on TV/Movies (like Daredevil).
I do agree it was too long though, at very least that whole Scott Adkins bit could have easily been cut-
Also it is right at the edge of being too dumb and over the top. Everyone seemingly being bullet proof except for the head gets silly, and all the pro assassins except for the main characters having terrible aim does too.
Some scenes are like
Really enjoyed it, this is probably my favorite one since the first (though I still like the more grounded style of the first one better). Great action with lots of awesome setpiece moments (specially that top down view scene in Paris) and great overall visuals. This is easily the best looking movie I've seen in a while, they did a great job mixing practical with digital effects and the relatively high contrast look really makes it shine on an Oled TV, specially compared with some other movies I've seen recently which go with this hazy look where blacks always look very grey.
Donnie Yen was great too, the way he moves and how they choreographed his fights sold this idea of a blind fighter way better than any similar concept I've seen on TV/Movies (like Daredevil).
I do agree it was too long though, at very least that whole Scott Adkins bit could have easily been cut-
Also it is right at the edge of being too dumb and over the top. Everyone seemingly being bullet proof except for the head gets silly, and all the pro assassins except for the main characters having terrible aim does too.
Some scenes are like
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I've finally seen the movie... and it was garbage. It made into nonsense territory.
I was willing to cut some slack to previous movies but this one ... oh man... what a piece of shit honestly:
-Too long obviously
-Blind man does everything better than anyone ese obviously. He knows who is who, what cards he have... its too stupid. It's not cool.
-All the deaths and shooting really gets merged into the same stunt over and over again. You see the guys waiting ad lining up. It wasnt as obvious in previous movies. Her I saw choreography. not fighting.
-The blind killer are we supposed to care for? Same for the killer with the dog... seriously...
-Because the movie is so long and you get accustomed to the choreographed guys eating the bullets all the time... Me and my wife, we kinda naturally started looking at flaws and there are many (below):
-Plenty of times you see guys flanking john or shooting from behind and missing... ugh...
-His kevlar suit reacts to bullets... with sparkles like if it was metal plate... ugh...
-Explosive rounds lol. They just cut the tip of the bullet and the fire on bodies look 2d.
-The never-ending roundabout scene in paris. The people never stop, they blindly go in the circle at crazy high speeds... it's starts looking COMICAL after few minutes.
-AND THE WORST ONE IN THE WHOLE MOVIE. The staircase scene/stunt. Holy shit. He falls off the 4 flights of stairs... all in one go. Continuing to roll on the flat parts too. You can clearly see this is a choreographed stunt and not a man falling for real. he is just ROLLING down the stairs. not falling over. We laughed our asses of with wife
-The amount of times people get their hands stabbed.
-Terrible, cowardly ending. He had the same wounds as the blind man. blah blah blah we all know there will be john wick 5.
-When he is fighting in paris - the anouncer over the radio knows his location at all times. It's nonsense piling up.
-edit: one more... oh NOW they remember there is a duel thing... oh and all these killers better than wick all of sudden
I think the movie was fun and watchable... but it was the worst one of them all, too long, too choreographed like a dance... and just comical with the stairs and roundabout and so on.
I didn't like it. Wife really wanted to like it but she also didn't. I don't understand the "great action wow amazing best of all 4 movies"... it's nonsense. The movie looked most stiff and choreographed
Funny enough - The Whale was great
I was willing to cut some slack to previous movies but this one ... oh man... what a piece of shit honestly:
-Too long obviously
-Blind man does everything better than anyone ese obviously. He knows who is who, what cards he have... its too stupid. It's not cool.
-All the deaths and shooting really gets merged into the same stunt over and over again. You see the guys waiting ad lining up. It wasnt as obvious in previous movies. Her I saw choreography. not fighting.
-The blind killer are we supposed to care for? Same for the killer with the dog... seriously...
-Because the movie is so long and you get accustomed to the choreographed guys eating the bullets all the time... Me and my wife, we kinda naturally started looking at flaws and there are many (below):
-Plenty of times you see guys flanking john or shooting from behind and missing... ugh...
-His kevlar suit reacts to bullets... with sparkles like if it was metal plate... ugh...
-Explosive rounds lol. They just cut the tip of the bullet and the fire on bodies look 2d.
-The never-ending roundabout scene in paris. The people never stop, they blindly go in the circle at crazy high speeds... it's starts looking COMICAL after few minutes.
-AND THE WORST ONE IN THE WHOLE MOVIE. The staircase scene/stunt. Holy shit. He falls off the 4 flights of stairs... all in one go. Continuing to roll on the flat parts too. You can clearly see this is a choreographed stunt and not a man falling for real. he is just ROLLING down the stairs. not falling over. We laughed our asses of with wife
-The amount of times people get their hands stabbed.
-Terrible, cowardly ending. He had the same wounds as the blind man. blah blah blah we all know there will be john wick 5.
-When he is fighting in paris - the anouncer over the radio knows his location at all times. It's nonsense piling up.
-edit: one more... oh NOW they remember there is a duel thing... oh and all these killers better than wick all of sudden
I think the movie was fun and watchable... but it was the worst one of them all, too long, too choreographed like a dance... and just comical with the stairs and roundabout and so on.
I didn't like it. Wife really wanted to like it but she also didn't. I don't understand the "great action wow amazing best of all 4 movies"... it's nonsense. The movie looked most stiff and choreographed
Funny enough - The Whale was great
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Insane Metal
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DragoonWalker
Member
You can pick out "flaws" like this for every movie. It starts with you in a mindset that's not in sync with what the movie's trying to achieve, and suddenly everything is wrong to you.I've finally seen the movie... and it was garbage. It made into nonsense territory.
I was willing to cut some slack to previous movies but this one ... oh man... what a piece of shit honestly:
-Too long obviously
-Blind man does everything better than anyone ese obviously. He knows who is who, what cards he have... its too stupid. It's not cool.
-All the deaths and shooting really gets merged into the same stunt over and over again. You see the guys waiting ad lining up. It wasnt as obvious in previous movies. Her I saw choreography. not fighting.
-The blind killer are we supposed to care for? Same for the killer with the dog... seriously...
-Because the movie is so long and you get accustomed to the choreographed guys eating the bullets all the time... Me and my wife, we kinda naturally started looking at flaws and there are many (below):
-Plenty of times you see guys flanking john or shooting from behind and missing... ugh...
-His kevlar suit reacts to bullets... with sparkles like if it was metal plate... ugh...
-Explosive rounds lol. They just cut the tip of the bullet and the fire on bodies look 2d.
-The never-ending roundabout scene in paris. The people never stop, they blindly go in the circle at crazy high speeds... it's starts looking COMICAL after few minutes.
-AND THE WORST ONE IN THE WHOLE MOVIE. The staircase scene/stunt. Holy shit. He falls off the 4 flights of stairs... all in one go. Continuing to roll on the flat parts too. You can clearly see this is a choreographed stunt and not a man falling for real. he is just ROLLING down the stairs. not falling over. We laughed our asses of with wife
-The amount of times people get their hands stabbed.
-Terrible, cowardly ending. He had the same wounds as the blind man. blah blah blah we all know there will be john wick 5.
-When he is fighting in paris - the anouncer over the radio knows his location at all times. It's nonsense piling up.
-edit: one more... oh NOW they remember there is a duel thing... oh and all these killers better than wick all of sudden
I think the movie was fun and watchable... but it was the worst one of them all, too long, too choreographed like a dance... and just comical with the stairs and roundabout and so on.
I didn't like it. Wife really wanted to like it but she also didn't. I don't understand the "great action wow amazing best of all 4 movies"... it's nonsense. The movie looked most stiff and choreographed
Funny enough - The Whale was great
John Wick jumped the shark a long time ago. In the art gallery scene in 2, how is it that guys approach him one and a time and only fire when they're almost upon him? It's inevitable it was gonna end up at this point. It's an action movie that places value on the action design itself. Would you go to a ballet and complain the dances last too long? Yeah it's all highly choreographed, there's no attempt to disguise that. Like a Shaw Bros movie. You want something more realistic, go back to watch the first one. This has different aims. I love how you highlighted your criticism of the staircase scene as if that's damning indictment of the movie. Everyone laughed. It's suppose to be ludicrous. It's one of many stupidly silly action scenes. Obviously the movie doesn't take its action scenes very literally. You have Scott Adkins in a fat suit, fire shotguns, a Japanese girl climbing a big guy with her knives. The blind guy is better than everyone else not because he's blind, but because he's Donnie Yen, one of the most skilled screen fighters of all time. All your complaints have zero weight, and just tells me you're looking for something the movie isn't trying to be.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
John wick never made it into fast furious territory for me. It never earned this "good stupidity"
There were elements like that in the first 3 movies but it never stick out like that too me.
Something about 4 just crossed the line. I didn't "get" most of it.
I made it 40 minutes into the film before giving up. John Wick killing mooks on god mode doesn't do it for me. His humanity made the first movie so compelling. Zero stakes in the subsequent films when he is on godmode against the 3/4 of the planet who are super hitmen.
Is Donnie Yuen contractually obligated to be blind in Hollywood films?
Is Donnie Yuen contractually obligated to be blind in Hollywood films?
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BlackTron
Member
Donnie Yen just needs a nerf to make it fair for everyone else
SJRB
Gold Member
Maybe I'm getting old or I'm not in the right headspace right now because this movie fucking sucks so far. It is boring as hell and I stopped watching because I didn't enjoy myself at all.
The characters and story are so over the top, and the fight scenes are both ridiculously choreographed and defy all logic and common sense.
It's probably too late now but I wish they went back to the more grounded vibes from the first one instead of this Marvel-tier nonsense.
The characters and story are so over the top, and the fight scenes are both ridiculously choreographed and defy all logic and common sense.
It's probably too late now but I wish they went back to the more grounded vibes from the first one instead of this Marvel-tier nonsense.
KormaChameleon
Member
Wasn't as good compared to the other films but the top down scene. Oh man. That was great!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I LOVED that they brought back the club music from the first movie. It was such a perfect send-off.
0neAnd0nly
Member
Apocryphon
Member
I wouldn’t go as far as to say that it was terrible, but it was definitely exhausting 
Some of the choreography was weak, the Arc de Triomphe sequence wasn’t exciting at all, Mr. Nobody had zero character development and felt like a missed opportunity, and Donnie Yen’s character.. while fine, was very inconsistent with his level of spacial awareness. The Roma Ruska scene was also dull.
Visually it was gorgeous. Set and costume design was solid. The top down Minority Report-esque dragon’s breath sequence looked great. I actually appreciated that the bad guys didn’t go up in flames like they would in some blockbuster action movies. Cast was pretty good despite some line deliveries not being perfect. Don’t hate the nunchuck bit, but some parts felts a big too gamified with enemies almost waiting for John to finish another NPC first before attacking.
Not the best John Wick film, but still better than most of the competition.
I swear it’s all just a training program for Neo though. The visual style, Merovingian-like characters, lack of reaction from the public to the horrific events taking place in front of them..
Some of the choreography was weak, the Arc de Triomphe sequence wasn’t exciting at all, Mr. Nobody had zero character development and felt like a missed opportunity, and Donnie Yen’s character.. while fine, was very inconsistent with his level of spacial awareness. The Roma Ruska scene was also dull.
Visually it was gorgeous. Set and costume design was solid. The top down Minority Report-esque dragon’s breath sequence looked great. I actually appreciated that the bad guys didn’t go up in flames like they would in some blockbuster action movies. Cast was pretty good despite some line deliveries not being perfect. Don’t hate the nunchuck bit, but some parts felts a big too gamified with enemies almost waiting for John to finish another NPC first before attacking.
Not the best John Wick film, but still better than most of the competition.
I swear it’s all just a training program for Neo though. The visual style, Merovingian-like characters, lack of reaction from the public to the horrific events taking place in front of them..
