Train of Midnight
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- Thaw a frozen arm with his abs
Jesus Christ that confused the hell out of me when that happened. Why were his abs on fire???
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Jesus Christ that confused the hell out of me when that happened. Why were his abs on fire???
SolarKnight
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Because they were THAT manly.
Can't you say that about many characters though?
They weren't actually on fire it was just body heat.
Can't you say that about many characters though?
I don't think so, most characters have names that are references, but Brando for example is a normal name, while
ACDC, Wham and Cars aren't names thousands of year old super vampires can have.
SolarKnight
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Well, yeah, not saying all names are 100% references, just saying that characters having weird names for the sake of references isn't something weird for the franchise. Like everyone in part 5 being food and things like that.
Train of Midnight
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It does if you're manly enough and your heart is burning with courage.
It was just a way to visualize the heat.
SolarKnight
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And real life doesn't change its color scheme every time something dramatic happens either so I'm not sure I see what the problem is.
But mostly this.
But mostly this.
EndcatOmega
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Speedwagon's face is horrifying in that still. Santana ain't got nothing.
Charoncaori
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Nah man, the color of courage is green.
"God's Beard!"
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Weather Report and Foo Fighters. untranslate THAT, bitches.'
Why can't super vampire aliens have those names? They gave them to themselves. They didn't speak human languages at first, remember?
Yo those are special cases.
"God's Beard!"
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Vanilla Ice
Did you know the name of the character wasn't pronounced like the name of the band either? "エシディシ" vs. "エーシー・ディーシー".
Kars is named after The Cars.
It has nothing to do with Wikia, really. It's just how those names have been spelled in alphabet in official material for 20 years or so.
And again, "Zeppeli". You don't seem to have a problem with that one. Clearly, it's just a matter of which translations you've exposed to and habit.
Ah, well.
"God's Beard!"
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Because Araki is famous for his consistency. And Zeppeli just sounds like a good name for a magical zen master jester dude. Frankly, I never really thought of it as a Zeppelin reference even though it oviously is, haha. If the pillar men are just references how do you explain Santana? Why do half the characters have actual people's names but these guys can't be band names?
I know, but someone put that it was the gary newman song on the wiki, which is weird.
Clearly not! But for the names we've been talking about, so far...
(overall, I've only seen very few inconsistencies... Giorno and Buccellati seem to be the worst offenders)
Holy double standards, God's Beard! ^^
I guess I could argue Santana wasn't really his name (that was just Stroheim's idea, remember!), but it's no like I'm saying there's a "rule" or anything, here. Clearly, Zeppeli, Tonpetty and Straizo aren't pillar men, for one thing!
I'm just pointing out that the (surprisingly consistent) official alphabet spellings of some character names aren't always exactly identical to the bands they're based on. And neither are the pronunciations of some of those names, in fact (no final "N" sound for Zeppeli, an added "O" sound for Straizo, shorter vowels for Esidisi, etc).
"God's Beard!"
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No, I was trying to explain why I didn't have a problem with it, which is more to do with never making a connection to Led Zeppelin.
Why would you have one guy be Dire, and the other Straizo, though?
The consistency issue is Araki's. He does things super impulsively, which is why Jojo's has horrible consistency issues between parts and even in the middle of battles. I wouldn't be surprised if Araki just made the names up out of his head without looking at band albums or anything. Like, "oh yeah, Led Zeppeli the American rock band, that'd be a good name!" If there's anybody in comics that just makes shit up as he goes, it's Araki. Not to mention living somewhere where all these names aren't his native language, so he'd mix up things in his head easily.
Again, not arguing there are hard rules. That way lies madness!
I don't know whether or not Araki is the one who came up with those spellings (could well be some guys over at Shûesiha), but I definitely agree with the guy's impulsive and forgetful nature. That's part of why I've been saying official artbooks and merchandise are surprisingly consistent as far as those spellings are concerned. ^^
Anyway, I'm not about to turn into some official spelling naz... german soldier, here. You guys are going to use whatever spelling you're comfortable with (probably the ones picked by the more popular English translations out there, in the end), and that's entirely fine as I don't imagine there could be misunderstandings anyway.
I was just saying "hey if you're going to correct those guys using "Straights", you might as well go with the official spelling rather than an unofficial one that even dropped the final "O" sound!", nothing more.
"God's Beard!"
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I don't like official spellings either if they come from Japanese art books. I always go with what makes the most sense contextually in English localization, even if it's directly opposed to the author's wishes. I grew up on Working Designs games, after all.
I'd rather go with the author's wishes, myself. They're his characters and names, after all. Seems a bit presumptuous to me to go "yeah, well, English happens to be my first language, dude, so back off! I know better!", especially considering those are just names, not actual English language.
But then, I would agree that there are some cases (not so much as far as JoJo is concerned) where things can get wildly inconsistent or absolutely cray-cray (Togashi!)... Then, that's another matter...
But then, I would agree that there are some cases (not so much as far as JoJo is concerned) where things can get wildly inconsistent or absolutely cray-cray (Togashi!)... Then, that's another matter...
"God's Beard!"
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I'm of the opinion that literal translations are a strange and impossible idea, so as soon as you make any change to the wording, it's on the burden of the translator to have it make the most sense to the audience as possible.
Well, yeah (especially when you deal with two completely different languages, like Japanese and English), but it's just fictional names, here... Seems a bit odd to me to talk about "literal translations" or "making sense to the audience" in that context. It's not like the origin of those names factors in the story anyway, or anything like that.
Please tell me you're joking.
EndcatOmega
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It's clearly Berumondo.
Only half-joking.
I believe it's pretty clear it indeed was "Belmondo", originally. The kana spelling ("berumondo"... no reason to put a "do" in there if you're going for "Belmont", really), the alphabet spelling during the credits of the original game, the many references to actors and movies in that same game (that would be French actor Jean-Paul Belmondo, here), the French pronunciation of the name "Simon" ("shimon" in katakana rather than "saimon"), all those things point to that same conclusion, in my opinion.
But then, the US translations went with "Belmont" for some reason (or possibly no reason at all: there would be a lot of examples of obvious mistakes in the translations of those games), and that spelling eventually spread to Japanese material as well (even if the kana spelling remained the same: "berumondo").
So, right now, things aren't so clear-cut anymore, the "Belmont" spelling is widespread, and my "of course" above was tongue-in-cheek. But back in the very beginning...
シモン・ベルモンド
It does say "Simon Belmondo." Don't see why people would have "heated discussions" (seriously? LOL) over this- Konami USA obviously decided to go with "Belmont" and changed "Ralph C. Belmondo" to "Trevor Belmont" for Castlevania III.
It does say "Simon Belmondo." Don't see why people would have "heated discussions" (seriously? LOL) over this- Konami USA obviously decided to go with "Belmont" and changed "Ralph C. Belmondo" to "Trevor Belmont" for Castlevania III.
Dude...
Please tell me YOU are joking
it's Belmondo, no doubts about that... also because among other reasons it's a name that does exist...
Arrowgigantic
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It's Vermont.
SolarKnight
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Interrupting the somehow still ongoing names translation discussion for some silliness that's extremely relevant for these past two episodes and tomorrow
Dude's the inspiration for Cobra AND the Castlevania's protagonists? Damn.Yeah tell that to him:
That's Jean-Paul Belmondo, a French actor.
This is great!Interrupting the somehow still ongoing names translation discussion for some silliness that's extremely relevant for these past two episodes and tomorrow
Shit I just realized, they have the same smirk.
Were his movies famous in Japan back then or what?
Ralph Vermont is going to Pennsylvania to fuck some shit up
Sir Ilpalazzo
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The fact that Simon's name was originally meant to be French is pretty mind-blowing to me.
Well, it certainly seems that way to me for the reasons listed earlier, anyway. I don't believe I've seen an actual confirmation from the staff, so I'd hesitate to call that a hard fact.
Glass Rebel
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Leon Belmont/Belmondo as the first member of the family makes it pretty clear that they were French. And I'll slap the first who mentions Resident Evil 4.
Yeah, I just found an Igarashi interview where he confirms that the name "Belmondo" is French, which is why he decided that Leon and Sara from that game (the first entry in the series, chronologically) would be French as well.
Like said above, "Simon" is pronounced like the French name, according to the kana, and then, there would also be "Soleil" and "Juste".
Doesn't quite work for "Christopher" and "Ralph", obviously... Then, "Richter" would be German ("rihitaa"), and "Julius" sounds Latin or German ("yuriusu").
Anyway, er... Jean Pierre Polnareff! That's a French name, too! In a series called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure! I think we were talking about that, initially... ^^;;
Jojo day is best day.
Edit: Full Bloody Stream opening! Listen!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRBWC6c6xA fixed the link.
Edit: Full Bloody Stream opening! Listen!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRBWC6c6xA fixed the link.
SolarKnight
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SPAGHETTI
BUBBLES
PIDGEONS
MASTERS AWAKENED
POSING AND MORE POSING
ROUNDABOUT SECOND VERSE
Not only was the voice acting pretty good, but damn, dat Pillar Men music was amazing.
BUBBLES
PIDGEONS
MASTERS AWAKENED
POSING AND MORE POSING
ROUNDABOUT SECOND VERSE
Not only was the voice acting pretty good, but damn, dat Pillar Men music was amazing.
The Grim Heaper
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i can't wait
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