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Joran van der Sloot (remember this guy?) primary suspect in 21 year old's murder

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Celsior

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Even moreso now:lol
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dude is going to go the most badass prison in the world too, watch his documentary day one. All gaf has done is ball touch a dude that wanted to beat him up and discuss the doucheness of guitars and facebook friends.
 
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Stinkles

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CNN reporting that Van Der Sloot is now facing charges in the US for trying to extort $250k from Natalee Holloway's mom.


the fuck
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

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Yeah, I don't know if they set him up or she was just desperate for information regarding the whereabouts of her daughter's body but the more charges on him the better.

I heard he actually got 15,000$ from her.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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YoungHav said:
I read somewhere that murder carries a 35yr max in Peru. Assuming he lives out his sentence, this idiot is very capable of killing again, he'll still be in his 50's.
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I don't want to generalize, as Peru might be different, but South/Central American prisons are no joke. Dude will never make it out alive, especially if he is the entitled, spoiled little douche he comes across as.
 
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themadcowtipper

Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Ninja Scooter said:
I don't want to generalize, as Peru might be different, but South/Central American prisons are no joke. Dude will never make it out alive, especially if he is the entitled, spoiled little douche he comes across as.
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He might get less time since he is reacting the crime at the hotel for the police.
 
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Ducarmel

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Ninja Scooter said:
I don't want to generalize, as Peru might be different, but South/Central American prisons are no joke. Dude will never make it out alive, especially if he is the entitled, spoiled little douche he comes across as.
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yeah but if he has the money and willing to spend it he will come out alright, and he could pay off a judge to give him parole and just go on the run again.
 
Death Dealer

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Pretty sure he will do some long time in that prison, but I read about it, and there are no guards within the prison. The inmates run everything. If he's able to take a lot of money with him, and gets a nice monthly allowance from his family, he could be worth more alive than dead to the prisoners. He'd need to hire some other tough inmates as bodyguards for protection. Supposedly alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, even guns, anything is available inside Lurigancho, if you have the money. If you don't have money, you have to work for other prisoners.

However I certainly wouldn't bet on him surviving his entire sentence.
 
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JoeBoy101

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I cannot believe this.

The FBI thought it was closing in on Joran Van der Sloot in the notorious Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, and he was videotaped and paid $25,000 in a sting operation. But when the agency delayed his arrest to help build a criminal case, he took the money and headed for Peru, where authorities say he now has confessed to killing a different young woman.

The investigation of van der Sloot in the Alabama teenager's case simply was not far enough along to have him arrested, the FBI and the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham said Wednesday.

Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy asked FBI Director Robert Mueller for an explanation of "exactly what happened in this case and the basis for all actions taken by the FBI."
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So the FBI financed his Peru trip. Lovely. Gotta love the fucking government.
 
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MassiveAttack

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This case is getting bigger and bigger by the day...

Police in Colombia are investigating whether Dutch national Johan van der Sloot was involved in the disappearance of two girls in Bogotá. The chief suspect in the murder case of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores was reportedly seen in various casinos in the Colombian capital in the company of young girls.
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The two girls in question are 20 and 21 years old apparently.
 
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1-D_FTW

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JoeBoy101 said:
I cannot believe this.



So the FBI financed his Peru trip. Lovely. Gotta love the fucking government.
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Do you know what a sting operation is? Maybe if the Dutch government had done it's job in the Aruba investigation, they wouldn't have to be pulling such desperate measures to get some justice on the scumbag.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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To people who want to blame the FBI, there was nothing they could have done. They don't have jurisdiction to arrest him so they would have needed to get the Dutch courts approval. They also couldn't go after him into Peru since they don't have jurisdiction there. They needed to build the case in the states which took time as well. The blame falls squarely on the Dutch courts, prosecutor, and government. Pathetic, just pathetic.
 
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985boi

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

LIMA, Peru - As prosecutors in Peru prepared charges against Joran van der Sloot in the strangling death of a 21-year-old woman, police told NBC News on Thursday the Dutch man admits knowing the location of the remains of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in Holloway’s disappearance — exactly five years to the day before Stephany Flores was killed in Peru.

Police sources told NBC News van der Sloot is now willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.
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Noshino

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I don't buy this douche's story at all, obviously he knew he couldn't get out of THIS one and is trying to get a reduced sentence.

The TV said confessions get you credit in the Peruvian Law system. Pathetic.

I hope they do a number on him no matter how long he stays in jail.

What a loser.
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uh, you have no idea.

In Peru there are way too many ways to shorten your sentence. Hell, iirc, they even shorten your sentence by half if you have good conduct.

Not only that, but in Peru we also don't "stack up" the times, only the longest sentence applies.


The Judiciary system over there has come a long way since the last corrupt regime, unfortunately though it is only doing so at baby steps....(unfortunately the current cabinet is just conformed of a bunch of monkeys)


confuziz said:
Also people, we can judge him now..

But he's not guilty until proven so.
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In Peru it is more "guilty til proven otherwise"....


Ninja Scooter said:
I don't want to generalize, as Peru might be different, but South/Central American prisons are no joke. Dude will never make it out alive, especially if he is the entitled, spoiled little douche he comes across as.
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Unfortunately wealthy people have tons of accommodations, it really is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, our president who was a corrupt son of a bitch and did all sorts of dirty shit under the table doesn't live in a cell, he basically lives in a small apartment, just take a look....

http://www.slide.com/r/GkZOigMZ3z-7vXX2SSZg1rQdKV5Ac2q1?previous_view=lt_embedded_url

Anyway, if he does indeed end up in Castro Castro, there is a chance that money can buy him protection... but then again, peruvian criminals have this thing....they hate on people that hurt women and children (there was even a special in which hired killers wouldn't accept any jobs that involved women and children) and peruvians have a huge sense of patriotism....

Meh, the current president is a complete idiot that belongs to a party that is stuck in the past, both him and his party lack common sense and often just look after their own interests... So don't rule out the chance of the government treating this guy nicely....
 
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AndyD

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MassiveAttack said:
How many times has this son of a bitch claimed to know where her remains are and lied about it?
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He is going to try and say he knows what happened in exchange for a deal. You can see it a mile away.
 
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AndyD said:
He is going to try and say he knows what happened in exchange for a deal. You can see it a mile away.
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He already said he will tell them but only in aruba. Probably feels safer in Aruba.

If I was one of the parents of Natalie I would say 'you know what, we don't really need to know, but thanks' and let him rot in jail in Peru.

He's been charged with murder, not manslaughter as well. woohoo. Also he tried to create an alibi they reckon by acting like he locked his keys in or some shit.

Spanish speakers can probably make more sense of this

http://www.zie.nl/video/ingezonden/Joran-veinst-kamersleutel-te-vergeten/m1bz0pbfx1y5

His lawyer is trying to get the confession squashed as invalid as well but the peruvians are basically saying 'fuck off' and sticking him with a murder charge.
 
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catfish said:
He already said he will tell them but only in aruba. Probably feels safer in Aruba.

If I was one of the parents of Natalie I would say 'you know what, we don't really need to know, but thanks' and let him rot in jail in Peru.

He's been charged with murder, not manslaughter as well. woohoo. Also he tried to create an alibi they reckon by acting like he locked his keys in or some shit.

Spanish speakers can probably make more sense of this

http://www.zie.nl/video/ingezonden/Joran-veinst-kamersleutel-te-vergeten/m1bz0pbfx1y5

His lawyer is trying to get the confession squashed as invalid as well but the peruvians are basically saying 'fuck off' and sticking him with a murder charge.
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Basically this:

8:35 am - he gets out of his room with 2 cups of coffee, then tries to set up a scene in front of the camera, in which he basically doesn't have the keys but there is someone inside, hence why you see him knock on the door. But the body was already inside, and on top of that, the camera also caught him coming out with the coffee cups from his room.

8:39 am - he calls a staff member to open the door once again faking that he doesn't have the keys, the staff member just opens the door and doesn't enter, and so he is unable to realize of what has happened inside.


Man, this guy is probably one of the most retarded criminals I have ever seen
 
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mre

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I don't buy this douche's story at all, obviously he knew he couldn't get out of THIS one and is trying to get a reduced sentence.

The TV said confessions get you credit in the Peruvian Law system. Pathetic.
I hope they do a number on him no matter how long he stays in jail.

What a loser.
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The US federal system works in a similar manner. Under the Federal Sentencing Guidelines, if a defendant doesn't cut a deal and makes the government take them to a trial that ends in a conviction, their sentence will actually be increased by X number of years for making the government wasting their time and money.
 
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MassiveAttack

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So apparently he tried to stuff her body into a suitcase, take it out of the room and dispose of it, according to Peruvian police.

Unfortunately he's going to be allowed to go back to Aruba to lead police to the location of Holloway's body...
 
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MassiveAttack said:
So apparently he tried to stuff her body into a suitcase, take it out of the room and dispose of it, according to Peruvian police.

Unfortunately he's going to be allowed to go back to Aruba to lead police to the location of Holloway's body...
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Wow, its confirmed they are taking him to Aruba? So where will he be charged first?
 
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PhatSaqs

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This dude.... :lol :lol :lol
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100621/ap_on_re_eu/eu_netherlands_van_der_sloot
AMSTERDAM – A Dutch newspaper that interviewed Joran van der Sloot in his prison cell in Lima, Peru, said Monday he has retracted his confession to the killing of a young woman there.

De Telegraaf said the 22-year-old Dutchman claims he only signed papers admitting killing Stephany Flores because he was intimidated by police and had been promised he would be transferred to the Netherlands if he confessed.

"I was very scared and confused during the interrogations and wanted to get away," the paper quoted him as saying. "In my blind panic, I signed everything, but didn't even know what it said."

Van der Sloot is the main suspect in Flores' May 30 killing in a Lima hotel, exactly 5 years after the still unsolved disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway on Aruba. He met both women in casinos, and both were last seen alive in his company.

Peruvian President Alan Garcia has said Van der Sloot will have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request can be considered. In addition to possible involvement in Holloway's disappearance, for which Van der Sloot has not been charged, he is wanted by the FBI on suspicion of attempting to extort money from the Holloway family.

If convicted of killing Flores, he faces from 15 to 35 years in prison in Peru.

Prosecutors allege Van der Sloot killed Flores in his hotel room, where her body was found, with "ferocity and great cruelty." According to a transcript of the confession, he elbowed the young woman in the nose, strangled her with both hands, threw her to the floor, took off his bloodied shirt and asphyxiated her.

The newspaper said he now says that's not true.

"I was tricked," the paper quoted Van der Sloot as saying of Flores' killing. "I'll explain later how it all happened."

He is scheduled to be interviewed by a judge in Lima this week.

A self-avowed compulsive liar, Van der Sloot has several times given and retracted admissions of involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

He is being held in a segregated block of the maximum-security Castro Castro prison in eastern Lima. He asked to be separated from the main prison population out of fear for his life.

For now he has his own 6.6-by-11.5-foot (2-by-3.5-meter) cell, which is adjacent to that of a reputed Colombian hit man, with whom he shares a television set.

Van der Sloot told the Telegraaf that rats crawl into his room through his toilet hole at night.

His mother Anita van der Sloot said in an interview published by the same newspaper over the weekend that Van der Sloot suffers from mental problems. She said she doesn't believe he had killed Holloway, but if he killed Flores "he'll have to pay the price" and she didn't plan to visit him in jail.

Holloway's father Dave has called on Van der Sloot to reveal anything he knows about the location of her body, which has never been found. Van der Sloot has said he will only talk about the matter with Aruba authorities.

Flores' father Ricardo told the Associated Press in an earlier interview that his daughter had resisted her attacker, who he is certain was Van der Sloot. He said the Dutchman would be linked to the crime by DNA evidence retrieved from under her fingernails.

He said he hopes that Van der Sloot will eventually be punished for the deaths of both women "so that there can be justice."
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so glad his dad is dead and can't pull any strings to get shit swept under the rug.

Sounds like his mother needs to make with the talking about the holloway thing as well. Bitch knows something.
 
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MassiveAttack said:
The question now is whether they are going to let him go back to Aruba to lead the police to where Holloway is buried (or whatever he did).
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Peruvian president already said 'fuck no'

If I was the holloway girls parent I'd say 'you know what? Don't tell us ,we're cool with you staying there'

I mean what does it matter really? You'd rather have the shit away for an extra 20 years
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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catfish said:
Peruvian president already said 'fuck no'

If I was the holloway girls parent I'd say 'you know what? Don't tell us ,we're cool with you staying there'

I mean what does it matter really? You'd rather have the shit away for an extra 20 years
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Umm no? You want to do a proper buri for Natalie if her remains are buried somewhere and you want him prosecuted for her murder. As a parent it isn't about HIM but her.
 
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PhatSaqs

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catfish said:
Peruvian president already said 'fuck no'

If I was the holloway girls parent I'd say 'you know what? Don't tell us ,we're cool with you staying there'

I mean what does it matter really? You'd rather have the shit away for an extra 20 years
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For closure most likely. Having a definitive answer as to what happened is probably more important to them than what happens to nutjob.
 
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MassiveAttack

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catfish said:
Peruvian president already said 'fuck no'

If I was the holloway girls parent I'd say 'you know what? Don't tell us ,we're cool with you staying there'

I mean what does it matter really? You'd rather have the shit away for an extra 20 years
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No parent in the world is going to simply let him sit in prison for decades if they believe he KNOWS where their child's remains may be. He will continue baiting the hook, claiming he'll reveal everything and pulling whatever strings he can to get back to Aruba. Chances are very good he'll be flown back sometime this year and possibly lead the police on yet another wild goose chase. He's a pathological liar of the first order.
 
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CrankyJay

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Heh, not surprised he's changing his story and recanting his confession now. He did the same thing in the other case.

He's going to lie so much that he's going confuse the Peruvian's into letting him walk.
 
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Zeke

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themadcowtipper said:
He confesed to be high on weed at the time......
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go go gadget scapegoat! Before I left work this morning they talking about him his mom said he is a nut job and needs mental help.
 
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WickedAngel

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MassiveAttack said:
No parent in the world is going to simply let him sit in prison for decades if they believe he KNOWS where their child's remains may be. He will continue baiting the hook, claiming he'll reveal everything and pulling whatever strings he can to get back to Aruba. Chances are very good he'll be flown back sometime this year and possibly lead the police on yet another wild goose chase. He's a pathological liar of the first order.
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Which is why families don't get to make those sorts of decisions. He won't be going anywhere.
 
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Stinkles

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Hey Joran,

If you killed her in a "blind impulse," why did you steal her money, you little fuck?

Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot has a low tolerance for frustration and "doesn't value the female role," according to excerpts from a psychological investigation report given to a judge by prosecutors Monday.
According to the document, van der Sloot, suspected of killing a Peruvian woman late last month, "does not tolerate when someone tries to contradict him. It generates in him a challenging attitude."
The report calls him "emotionally immature," which elicits strong changes in behavior that can send him out of control.
"He reflects a certain dominance over the opposite sex. He doesn't value the female role," the document states.

It adds, "he presents traits of an anti-social personality" and is "indifferent towards others' well being."
Despite this, the report says, "he doesn't show any psychopathological trauma that impedes him from perceiving and evaluating reality."
Also Monday, Van der Sloot told the judge that his rights and due process were violated after his arrest in connection with the killing of Stefany Flores Ramirez, his attorney told CNN.
The judge will decide on the legality of van der Sloot's incarceration by Wednesday, lawyer Maximo Altez said. If the ruling is unfavorable to van der Sloot, Altez said he is prepared to appeal to the highest court.
While in front of the judge, however, van der Sloot declined to give a formal statement on the facts of the case, according to the court. The reason he gave was the ongoing motion for habeas corpus, which he hopes will nullify the statements he gave to police that led to his imprisonment.
Van der Sloot's decision will not hold up the legal proceedings against him, the court said.
Meanwhile, in a Dutch newspaper article published Monday, van der Sloot says he was "tricked" into confessing to the murder of Flores.
Peruvian police told him that if he signed the papers they gave him, he would be transferred to the Netherlands, he told De Telegraaf in a jail interview.
"In my blind panic I signed everything, but never knew what was written on them," he said.
Van der Sloot was twice arrested over the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but never charged.
His mother said Saturday he was mentally unwell, De Telegraaf reported in what it called an exclusive interview with her.
Van der Sloot went to Peru to escape having to enter the high security section of a psychiatric hospital, Anita van der Sloot said.
She said he suffered severe psychological distress at the early death of his father, for which he blamed himself, she said, without giving further details.
She did not deny that he killed Flores.
She said she spoke to him shortly before Flores died and soon after and that he sounded paranoid, saying he was being "followed and watched," De Telegraaf reported.
Van der Sloot's attorney, Altez, has maintained that the judge in the case should strike down van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.
But Peruvian police have defended the interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession was acquired legally.
According to transcripts of his confession, van der Sloot said he elbowed Flores in the face before strangling her and then suffocating her with his shirt.
The transcripts -- provided to CNN by a police source -- provide shocking details and give the public its first glimpse of why van der Sloot says the alleged murder took place. The source has not been named because he was not authorized to pass along the material.
"There was blood everywhere," van der Sloot said in the transcripts. "What am I going to do now. I had blood on my shirt. There was also blood on the bed, so, I took my shirt and put it on her face, pressing hard, until I killed Stephany."
Peruvian authorities have charged van der Sloot with murder.
Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.
In the transcript, van der Sloot said that after Flores read the e-mail, she punched him in the face.
"At that moment impulsively, with my right elbow I hit her in the face exactly on top of the nose," van der Sloot said. "I think she started to faint. It affected me so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a minute."
Van der Sloot said he had a quick thought to try and hide the body but instead fled.
He was arrested in Chile on June 3 and was returned the next day to Peru. Along with killing Flores, who had a broken neck, he took money and bank cards from her wallet, police said.
Van der Sloot told police in Chile a different story of how Flores died when he was arrested there, according to transcripts. He blamed the death on robbers who had waited for him at his hotel in Peru.
"There was a man coming from the access door with a knife in his hand," van der Sloot said. "The man with the knife hit her in the face, making her bleed through the nose."
But Peru authorities said they had overwhelming evidence pointing to van der Sloot, and when he was transferred to Peru, van der Sloot confessed to the crime, police said.
Van der Sloot said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and had met Flores while he was gambling.
Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won from gambling.
Van der Sloot offered a different motive.
"After I responded with hitting her, I feared that she would go to the police and they would detain me for what was an impulsive act," van der Sloot said. "I think I wanted to kill her because I wasn't thinking."
Van der Sloot is being held in a high-security area of the Miguel Castro Castro prison where only two of 10 cells are occupied, and he has no contact with inmates in the general prison population.
He is under guard 24 hours a day, authorities have said.
The only other inmate in the area is alleged Colombian hit man Hugo Trujillo Ospina. The two have spent some time together in a common area where there is a television set and weights made of broomsticks and soda bottles, authorities said.
There is the possibility that van der Sloot will be integrated with other segments of the prison population.
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Death Dealer

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MassiveAttack said:
The question now is whether they are going to let him go back to Aruba to lead the police to where Holloway is buried (or whatever he did).
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I doubt it. I'm sure he'd rather do his time in Aruba. He'd ask them not to extradite him back to Peru or something, maybe confess to the Holloway killing and ask for another trial in Aruba to avoid going back to Peru. Peru won't let that happen.

Besides, I think he's lying about knowing where the body is, IMO the truth is her body was thrown out to sea, lost forever.
 
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