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I mean, what is there to doubt?
Julian Assange to issue statement 'in front' of Ecuador embassy
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I mean, what is there to doubt?
SirIgbyCeaser
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If he gets assassinated i'd chuckle.
Actually, he is wanted for molesting women and fleeing the country to avoid prosecution. Also, for violating the Bail Act in the UK by escaping his house arrest
Sho_Nuff82
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He'd be out in 2 years at most even if he was convicted, and it's not like Swedish prison is anywhere near the hellholes we have here.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Oh is that what it could do
Lots of regurgitated talking points going on in here
And we're done.
iNvid02
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ok yeah but WHAT THE FUCK?
Sir_Crocodile
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Why on earth would you do that?
#1 - The UK extradition treaty is actually more lax than the treaty with Sweden. Furthermore, both treaties allow for a lengthy review process and appeals process before being sent over. Additionally, the EU itself also has the potential to review the extradition order PRIOR to Assange being sent over to the US (which would allow him to defend himself in English if he so chooses). There is nothing more beneficial to the US in having Assange in Sweden than having Assange in the UK.
To be fair, if the US wanted to extradite Assange, it would've even been easier for them to do so to have Sweden NOT be requesting his extradition. The fact that Sweden is requesting Assange's extradition actualy complicates things more.
#2 - Translators would be provided for him if he doesn't understand the language, but an important thing to also consider here, is that Assange previously applied for Swedish residency so should have a level of comfortability with the country and its proceedings.
When someone has the level of celebrity as Assange, it is only natural that he gets plastered all over the news. However, it is dishonest to suggest that people aren't extradited to other countries over rape charges after lengthy court proceedings and that countries don't pursue alleged rapists to bring them to justice.
Secondly, I believe that it is misguided to suggest that this is not about rape, as what you are essentially doing here is suggesting that there is no validity to the charges brought by the women who are the alleged victims of the crime. I guess it's fine to blame the victim but considering that these charges actually make it more difficult for Assange to be brought to "justice" (by the US with criminal charges if they should so choose) for his wiki leaks activity because of the potential for dual extradition requests (and the issues with international courts that these cause), means that if the US was some sort of puppeteer organizing the women, the swedish courts, and the UK courts now in some grand conspiracy, they have essentially made their jobs harder now.
Ecuador said Sweden could have him if they guaranteed that, and they wouldn't.
Sweden can't guarantee either that he won't be abducted by aliens.
The US has done nothing to request him so they can't answer that question it's also what UK said.
The manufactured part is the claim the UK and Sweden ate acting because of pressure from the US, and that the US just wants to extradite him themselves. It's entirely unsubstantiated beyond a bunch of people with vested interests in others believing it saying it's true.
Sweden and the UK have said they aren't being pressured.
Of course they can't, there are many things they can't guarantee for him. But again it's just silly to think Sweden would hand Julian for the US. Sweden has very strict extradition laws for criminal offences.
This.
the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray seems to think they are
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/08/americas-vassal-acts-decisively-and-illegally/
Why is America involved at all? Assange is an Australian in the UK, hiding in a Ecuadorian embassy, wanted for questioning in Sweden.
"Private confirmation." And still no one can think up a reason for why anyone would want to storm the embassy to get him. He can't get out.
but what about the former ambassador to Uzbekistan saying that his sources has told him that the US are pressuring the british to storm the embassy?
doesn't sound like something a former diplomat would make up...
edit: nvm already posted :/
SirIgbyCeaser
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He's kinda making himself a target, the United States hates the fact that someone is published and avoiding laws. He might really be a rapist avoiding charges. Actually, the chick he raped should be the one pulling the trigger.
It's not gonna happen though, but come on, it'd be pretty funny if it did.
Let's also be clear that this ambassador has a history of anti-US sentiment. He was fired from his job. Now, his feelings may be justified and it's certainly possible his firing was wrong, but it means simply taking his word is difficult.
We've got plenty of former officials who're full of.shit
Can't speak if they're as bad in the UK
empty vessel
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Talk about paranoid!
The existence of a federal grand jury investigating charges against Assange is confirmed by the US government itself, including charges that carry the death penalty.
Yeah, he exposed illegal activity done by world governments. Of course they want to nab him. If a journalist from the NYT did an exposé on the collateral murder video and posted the leaked video, they wouldn't have gotten in trouble.
Choke on the Magic
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I think he's refering as to why the US wants him extradited and he's right. This guy's a joke.
SirIgbyCeaser
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He managed to sneak in and make the movie Carnage in new york anyway.
I though that was impressive. Also Ballsy.
ComputerMKII
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I disagree, but if the UK police somehow storm the embassy and they find out Assange had already left the country weeks ago I'd find that amusing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnage_(2011_film)#Production
I believe the focus of the investigation is the question of Assange participating in the theft, not receiving or publishing anything. And as far as I know, Sweden won't extradite anyone if the death penalty is a potential punishment for the crimes cited in the indictment.
So Switzerland and the US are also part of the eu?
Man I didn't know we saved the Euro at this extent
While I actually don't doubt the existence of a grand jury, this is not true.
shinobi602
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I haven't been following this Assange case much...can anyone sum up what crimes he's being charged with and why this is international?
I will take the official world of the Ecuadorian government over yours.
It is international because Assange fled Sweden to avoid the investigation and tried to seek Asylum in Britain, and now Ecuador.
Ah yes the wonderful Ecuadorian diplomats known for smuggling cocaine in diplomatic bags...
SirIgbyCeaser
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I've been fooled by hollywood.
You should probably do some research on the Ecuadorian government then.
Oh yes, tremendously silly. Silly silly. Lets disregard the possibility of something because it's completely uncommon, and the novelty of it causes us to be confident that it will not occur. Not because it's impossible, or even difficult, just complicated, rare, but not unexpected. I don't see what makes it silly.
If the US wanted him, wouldn't they put up with the difficulties? If it's so strict, why wouldn't they be able to point out that extradition wouldn't occur because he'd be too busy dealing with
Sir_Crocodile
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It might be funny if a guy whose innocence or guilt has not been proven is executed?
If he was guilty under swedish law it should be imprisonment anyway, unless you're a fan of the death penalty.
AnathemicOne
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Sweden, not Switzerland
OriginofHysteria
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I think it actually costs more to keep prisoners alive.
empty vessel
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What does any of that matter to whether or not Assange's assertions of political persecution are a "conspiracy theory"?
It is true in any meaningful sense of the word. Holder has personally confirmed the existence of "an active, ongoing criminal investigation" against Wikileaks. "Let me be very clear, it is not saber rattling. To the extent there are gaps in our laws, we will move to close those gaps, which is not to say ... that anybody at this point, because of their citizenship or their residence, is not a target or a subject of an investigation that's ongoing."
And the existence of the grand jury is otherwise known.
The Ecuadoran government is no less respectable than the US, UK, or Swedish governments.
But, as I understand, the USA can legally detain foreign citizens for indefinite time without charges. And has a proven history of doing so.
Not that I trust USA and England governments more.
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