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July Wrasslin’ |OT-15| Hybrids are Best for Business

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FallingEdge

Member
Reality Era indeed.

Question for the Puro guys. I know NJPW does these big shows but what about NOAH or AJPW? Can I just watch RealHero's Dailymotion and I will be good to go? Basically, I'm wondering how the other feds do things in Japan.
 
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geomon

Member
I think that's the first time I've been accused of being a redneck. But whatever, lolstna!

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plagiarize

Banned
geomon said:
I think that's the first time I've been accused of being a redneck. But whatever, lolstna!

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It's hilarious that that GIF has remained relevant for years. If they'd picked a direction and stuck with it, maybe they'd have built an audience, but it was shameless ratings grab after shameless ratings grab, and it never worked.

Dr Duncan Steel said:
people who think they've graduated from wrestling to mma, often sound like they never graduated from anything in their life.
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people who think that are bitter marks. plain and simple. I like both MMA and wrestling, and while superficially they seem very similar, they aren't remotely similar. their appeals couldn't be more different, unless, you know, you truly thought it was all real at some point.

they're probably people who defended it for a while. "It's not fake! Look at him bleeding!" they probably felt all super embarrassed when they realized it was.

me, I matured *into* wrestling as I was completing my Chemistry degree. I hated it as a kid. It was so blatantly fake! What was wrong with all the people who like it? And then I realized it was a show. That the guys in there were risking their literal necks to entertain the crowd. That wrestling is actually very funny if you take it for what it is (Steph and Trips have been utterly KILLING it lately for example). It was a fun spectacle like a weekly live stunt show.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
dream said:
Where has Sblargh been? We need him to work his positivity gimmick more than ever!
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Marvel Heroes OT. I wouldn't have known had I not jumped on some racist-ass shit happening in there.
 
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Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Sibersk Esto said:
That "What happened to Professional Wrestling" thread has shown me that GAF has a very negative opinion of THIS BUSINESS brothers
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We need some new blood in positions of power, for all companies. But I'm convinced that WWE does indeed have just the man to get itself out of the rut it is in.

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dream

dream

Member
plagiarize said:
I think it's stigma is still in part tied to its carny origins.
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Being fake hurts too, because people will either not believe that you know it's fake, or they'll be baffled by your watching something that you know is fake. Then you try to explain that it's analogous to, say, Survivor or Jersey Shore or Teen Mom (I live in 2007, fuck off), and it gets even worse because pro wrestling doesn't have the cultural cachet of Survivor or Jersey Shore or Teen Mom.
 
dream

dream

Member
Perspicacity said:
Did you end up going to that house show with your friend? What were her thoughts on the latent homoeroticism?
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I did not go for several reasons:

1) Tickets were $107.
2) It was a 7 match card in which the main event was Jericho vs. Wyatt, co-headlined by Big Show vs. Antonio Cesaro.
3) I'm not 12.
4) Ruthless Robbie Lawler was fighting on free TV.
5) She's not that attractive.
 
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Perspicacity

Banned
dream said:
I did not go for several reasons:

1) Tickets were $107.
2) It was a 7 match card in which the main event was Jericho vs. Wyatt, co-headlined by Big Show vs. Antonio Cesaro.
3) I'm not 12.
4) Ruthless Robbie Lawler was fighting on free TV.
5) She's not that attractive.
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Ugh, that sucks. Tickets were pretty cheap for the same shitty card here.
 
R

Rafa=FedKilla

Banned
So word on the street is that NJPW has become aware of their content and is going after providers. Though also they are approaching DM as an iPPV provider.....
 
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Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
dream said:
Being fake hurts too, because people will either not believe that you know it's fake, or they'll be baffled by your watching something that you know is fake. Then you try to explain that it's analogous to, say, Survivor or Jersey Shore or Teen Mom (I live in 2007, fuck off), and it gets even worse because pro wrestling doesn't have the cultural cachet of Survivor or Jersey Shore or Teen Mom.
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Honestly, I think the Attitude Era is another big reason for it. Sure, biggest boom in pro wrestling, but that was in the short term. In the long run? People view wrestling as a show that can only get decent ratings(forget that WWE still does better than most shows.) by causing it's employees to bleed halfway to death, or having females flash it's live audience.
 
dream

dream

Member
But really Dr. Steel, what is your problem with people moving from pro wrestling to the mixed martials? It's really the exact same business, built on the exact same foundation, sharing the same mythology, only without the bullshit like Adam Rose and the VaudeVillains. It's really just a different form of pro wrestling.

In fact, I'd say it's an even purer form of pro wrestling than what WWE and TNA puts on. You can draw a clearer lineage from, say, Dillashaw vs. Barao to Gotch vs. Hackenschmidt than you could with whatever match WWE puts on to cater to Sblargh.
 
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Evening Musuko

Black Korea
jmdajr said:
Guess it wasn't wise to wait for the day of the show....

WWE RAW IS CURRENTLY SOLD OUT
For additional ticket options please visit FLASH SEATS, Toyota Center's official secondary ticket market. Click here to browse locations.

Maybe I'll see what's available just right before showtime
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Sorry man. If HHH makes an appearance, I'll mark extra hard for you.
 
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BoboBrazil

Member
In reality, I still think it was Hogan and Bischoff that hurt TNA more than anything else. Atleast GFW is coming up. Samoa Joe can go back to ROH though atleast.
 
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Xater

Member
Penguin said:
I thought this was also a joke on the company, but it exists

But unlike the WWE's match... they literally had the crowd wait in the halls watching on monitors?
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TNA did some really dumb stuff. I also remember some dumb pole matches because those are always a great idea.
 
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strobogo

Banned
Vince McMahon said:
Damn that TNA thread brings out some....interesting folks
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The biggest bunch of marks I've ever seen. Like full on worst of the worst of internet fans who think they know everything, but clearly have no idea what they're talking about. So many talking points straight from 2003 in there.

Vince McMahon said:
Former WCW star Buff Bagwell has signed on to shoot a porn movie for Vivid Video. TMZ reports that his wife Judy was there to sign the deal with Vivid honcho Steve Hirsch. Bagwell recently appeared on the Showtime reality series "Gigolos."
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Of course he married a woman with the same name as his mom.
 
dream

dream

Member
Let's be fair, Bobo; having Hulk is always a boon for any promotion. But I can see your point--it's probably not worth bringing him in if you're a small, scrappy, upstart company with limited funds.
 
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Dr Duncan Steel

Member
dream said:
But really Dr. Steel, what is your problem with people moving from pro wrestling to the mixed martials? It's really the exact same business, built on the exact same foundation, sharing the same mythology, only without the bullshit like Adam Rose and the VaudeVillains. It's really just a different form of pro wrestling.

In fact, I'd say it's an even purer form of pro wrestling than what WWE and TNA puts on. You can draw a clearer lineage from, say, Dillashaw vs. Barao to Gotch vs. Hackenschmidt than you could with whatever match WWE puts on to cater to Sblargh.
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naw i hespect MMA a great deal, in fact I enjoy it a lot. But the belief that it can't co-exist is ridiculous. I will say MMA completely took WWE's audience once they approved to have Ultimate Fighter to go on after Raw. That was their decision. So after that bit them on the ass and for better sponsorships, WWE went after a different audience, albeit a potentially more profitable audience. The advantage WWE has over UFC is the ability to cash in on hype trains and go with it. Or else you get Overeem.

I will always say that WWE can learn a thing or two from UFC. Like an actual hierarchy amongst the talent and make it more visible to the audience. Those Power Rankings they have on the website? Put that shit in the programming!
 
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bitesnintendog

Member
BoboBrazil said:
In reality, I still think it was Hogan and Bischoff that hurt TNA more than anything else. Atleast GFW is coming up. Samoa Joe can go back to ROH though atleast.
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I think so as well. Not only did it show the brand couldn't grow past a certain point but the addition of the two took away a lot of the identity that TNA built.

I think from the beginning of the FSN Impact to the beginning of the Hogan era that TNA was generally watchable. Once those two jumped on the shows took a turn for the worse.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Dr Duncan Steel said:
naw i hespect MMA a great deal, in fact I enjoy it a lot. But the belief that it can't co-exist is ridiculous. I will say MMA completely took WWE's audience once they approved to have Ultimate Fighter to go on after Raw. That was their decision. So after that bit them on the ass and for better sponsorships, WWE went after a different audience, albeit a potentially more profitable audience.

I will always say that WWE can learn a thing or two from UFC. Like an actual hierarchy amongst the talent and make it more visible to the audience. Those Power Rankings they have on the website? Put that shit in the programming!
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Rankings didn't do too much for the WBF though. (Boxing, not muscles)
 
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BoboBrazil

Member
dream said:
Let's be fair, Bobo; having Hulk is always a boon for any promotion. But I can see your point--it's probably not worth bringing him in if you're a small, scrappy, upstart company with limited funds.
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Yeah, giving Hogan and Bischoff each over a million a year is not exactly the smartest move when you can't even pay $500 to Christopher Daniels on time.
 
dream

dream

Member
Dr Duncan Steel said:
naw i hespect MMA a great deal, in fact I enjoy it a lot. But the belief that it can't co-exist is ridiculous. I will say MMA completely took WWE's audience once they approved to have Ultimate Fighter to go on after Raw. That was their decision. So after that bit them on the ass and for better sponsorships, WWE went after a different audience, albeit a potentially more profitable audience. The advantage WWE has over UFC is the ability to cash in on hype trains and go with it. Or else you get Overeem.

I will always say that WWE can learn a thing or two from UFC. Like an actual hierarchy amongst the talent and make it more visible to the audience. Those Power Rankings they have on the website? Put that shit in the programming!
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I actually think the real advantage WWE has over the Ultimate is that, despite Vince's protestations about "being in the entertainment business," deep down, they acknowledge that they are a pro rasslin company and promote their company accordingly. As a result, they're able to build matches and book stars (this is hypothetical). Whereas Dana likes to believe he's running FIFA or some such shit, and he adopts the same philosophy where nobody is a star.
 
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