Professor Beef
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Goldberg isn't involved, so it'll be ok.
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July Wrasslin' |OT| All this G1 talk is making me Climax.
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Goldberg isn't involved, so it'll be ok.
UberTag
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I don't think you should worry. Bill Goldberg isn't involved.
SallyIsNow
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Get word to Zach that now that I've finished it, Season 8 Simpsons is a massive drop in quality from 7. It's not bad, it's just not nearly as good.
avengers23
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vs. Orton at SummerSlam: 11:45
vs. Ambrose at WrestleMania 32: 12:50
vs. Wyatt Family at Roadblock: 4:00
vs Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose at Fastlane: 17:38
So, Joe vs. Lesnar should go just over ten minutes.
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Needed more back body drops. Can't belive you kicked out of The Big Boot, and that finish was from outta nowhere!
Edit: Beefy don't mess around - congrats champ!
UberTag
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Any diehard Simpsons fan could have told you this.
Best seasons are 4 and 6. You can round out the Top 3 by picking your favorite between 3, 5 and 7. 8 is a clear step down. Classic era effectively ends with the pre-Scully holdover episodes scattered throughout Season 9.
There are still good episodes after that... but the consistency of quality is a thing of the past.
Are titles feeling like a shoot really that good for wrestling? If you can trick a performer into thinking he's accomplished something by booking him to win a fake Championship instead of say, encouraging them to create good storylines and matches I don't know, feels like a good way to get people to not air their concerns with booking if they get a title for a little bit.
excelsiorlef
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SallyIsNow
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Whenever I see comments about the golden age I always see 8 and/or 9 included. Even here jabronies hold them in the same regard as 3-7. Maybe it's placebo, but it just feels different post 7.
Some of my favourite Simpsons episodes are in Seasons 8 and 9.
excelsiorlef
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What?
A) I mean we're talking about Kevin Owens here, he has storytelling and match skills in spades.
B) There's nothing there that's treating the title like a shoot.
He's just proud of himself for having busted his ass and gotten recognition for it by being trusted as their champion.
Are you guys seriously that devoid of sentiment that you can't for a second understand why Owens might feel a bit emotional and proud of this, regardless of how it happened. This is getting literally absurd.
Shitting on a guy for being happy and proud. Get a grip.
I'm not talking about Owens specifically though. I'm talking about the culture in wrestling of treating the top title like a shoot.
What?
A) I mean we're talking about Kevin Owens here, he has storytelling and match skills in spades.
B) There's nothing there that's treating the title like a shoot.
He's just proud of himself for having busted his ass and gotten recognition for it by being trusted as their champion.
Are you guys seriously that devoid of sentiment that you can't for a second understand why Owens might feel a bit emotional and proud of this, regardless of how it happened.
excelsiorlef
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What in that video was treating the title as a shoot?
Like what are you even talking about.
Would you shit on someone being happy they won an oscar or an emmy?
This is all pretty pathetic TBH I was gonna share that video because I thought it represented a nice human moment in Owens' life and here some of y'all are acting like he's some king loser over it. Like if even this bothers you I go back to what I've always said... why are you watching? Like if you feel the need to criticize how they celebrate a title change backstage... maybe you should find something that actually makes you happy.
that's the thing. 3-7 is prime, prime gold era. but there are still golden episodes that come in in, 7, 8, and 9. it's just that after that after 7 they're a lot fewer. and by season 9 it's sparse
SallyIsNow
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What this guy said!
I'll say it again, I wasn't talking about Owens specifically.
I'm asking the question; is that culture good for the business? We know people have literally killed themselves for that push.
The film industry is just like wrestling in that it incentivises killing yourself or ruining your health for Oscar-worthy performances.
People should have a healthy respect for the top title, yes, but why is it so odd to not expect people to go crazy for it.
Net_Wrecker
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Joe/Brock interview segment was great. '96 energy dripping from that segment. Love how it felt like 2 real people talking and responding to each other.
excelsiorlef
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What culture? A brief moment of pride right after winning a title?
Are you honestly being serious about this?
I mean you can expect people not to get emotional if you want but doesn't mean you should shit on them if they do by making fun of their reaction to it or absurdly judging them.
If you're not interested in the debate and want to just talk about the Owens video, that's fine, I don't care how individuals react to their personal achievements whether that's wrestling championships or acting accolades, that's their business, but I don't know why you're so shocked that some people in here don't think that's a healthy attitude to have towards the title, given the history of wrestling has shown the negatives of such a culture.
SallyIsNow
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Ep 2 of Season 9 is fake Skinner. The slope steepens.
Professor Beef
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I don't care what anyone says, that's a damn good episode.
I've never understood the hate for that episode. Is it because the episode isn't that funny or because it tramples on the established canon? I think it speaks to fan entitlement.
Professor Beef
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Canon reasons, which always seemed a bit silly to me since the series has always played fast and loose with canon.
excelsiorlef
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If you're not interested in the debate and want to just talk about the Owens video, that's fine, I don't care how individuals react to their personal achievements whether that's wrestling championships or acting accolades, that's their business, but I don't know why you're so shocked that some people in here don't think that's a healthy attitude to have towards the title, given the history of wrestling has shown the negatives of such a culture.
I mean you clearly do care how they react since you've now implied being emotional/caring/prideful about winning the title is an unhealthy attitude...
Nor have you really explained how they treat the main title like a shoot....
What is your suggestion here to combat this whatever culture you keep lumping in caring about being champion into.
I mean you suggested they instead be prideful of good storytelling and match quality but that's just as likely to motivate them to kill themselves in the ring as getting congratulated for winning a title and feeling happy about it.
Maybe I'm just not clear on what you're trying to say, if so apologies.
SallyIsNow
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Just finished the ep. Besides the car gag, I didn't think anything else was that funny. And the canon thing bugs me. A 8 or 9 year investment in a character gets WWEd. To pop a rating!
UberTag
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I don't disagree with you on this at all. The episode is underrated and boasts the best characterization of the entire series for Agnes along with some solid character work from Skinner, Edna and Marge. The eventual resolution was rather amusing as well... as was the callback when they pulled the same reset button stunt for Snowball II in Season 15's I D'oh-Bot.
The other non-Scully episodes from Season 9, incidentally, are The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson, Lisa's Sax, All Singing, All Dancing, The Joy of Sect, Lisa the Simpson and Simpson Tide.
I think the episode is good as it is, nothing special but not deserving of all the ridiculous hate it gets, especially considering how much the quality of the series tanked in later years.
There were mutiple people down on Owens' reaction. I don't care personally what he does backstage, I was playing devils advocate to your question of why anyone would dislike it. Maybe just fans should treat titles like they're real, not wrestlers. I think there are significant examples of people ruining themselves for a push; guys like Benoit and Eddie, and more recently, Shibata and Bryan, ruining themselves for the top spot.
Is what Jinder has done recently healthy given the history of wrestling?
I get tired of people overusing the term "shoot", but this promo, without a shadow of a doubt, is a shoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKqKwHFcRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKqKwHFcRE
I remember this exact spot from TNA and people laughed at it.
The execution makes a huge difference.
Professor Beef
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Power of Joe/Joe-ly
SallyIsNow
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On an RF Shoot Killer Kadagoon admitted this was planned. Elements of truth thrown in there tho. The interview was right before he passed so it's hard to watch.
excelsiorlef
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You keep saying the wrestlers treat the title like it's real, but you've shown no proof of this.
Top spot isn't just a title, it's extra money, more TV time, main event slots, etc... If they stopped caring about the title they'd still care about all those.
Shibata would have killed himself in any major match not just a title match because Shibata clearly cares about match quality and Bryan would kill himself to work a hair vs mask match in CMLL because he's just obsessed with wrestling period (I mean his last injury came while he was IC midcard so) , none of that has anything to do with being emotional about winning a title.
If Jinder is juicing, and I really am not interested in that debate either, he didn't do it to be WWE champion, that that happened is beside the point, he did it for a push period, if there was no WWE title he'd still have done it for want of getting noticed.
Btw wish you had just let me know you were playing devil's advocate... that makes the conversation we were having make a lot more sense. That said I don't really like engaing in devil's advocate debates (nothing personal), so I think I'll just end this here.
Cheers and have a goodnight/morning/afternoon depending on wherever you are.
He's been doing this for a while.
When he started the Bullet Club Hunter stable, he basically became a HHH gimmick.
It's dreadful.
UberTag
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It's especially absurd given that it's but two seasons removed from legitimate crap episodes that stunk up the house in Season 11 like Beyond Blunderdome, Saddlesore Galactica, Missionary: Impossible and Kill the Alligator and Run.
Professor Beef
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Saddlesore was fun, but Kill the Alligator and Run might be legitimately one of the worst episode I've ever seen.
No, because WWE fires people on the spot.
Even Roman would not be unpunished
Are you really that stupid to even begin to build some Okada to WWE off of this? Really?
Okada and NJPW give no fucks they are secure
HashtagLapsed
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Okada has been backstage a a number of WWE events over the last number of years.
SomewhatGroovy
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Randy Orton has been around for awhile.
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