Going back to that old chestnut eh?
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Going back to that old chestnut eh?
HeisenbergLannister
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"New era" so let's not be so damn predictable and make people actually believe they need to watch or they'll miss something.
UberTag
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dream
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I mean, look, we all know that pro wrestling is shit, and we tend to only love it when they acknowledge that it's shit and go way off the rails (see: The Final Deletion, Lucha Underground, "Chikara"). But goddamn. Between the cWc and Raw Live doing little things like in-ring post-fight interviews, and Mike Cole running down the credentials of Fin, and Corey Graves being a goddamn revelation in the booth, I think we need to introduce more elements of sport into the product. Because tonight's show was excellent because of those elements.
BewareTheBatsie
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I can see that. Probably with Nia Jax if they plan on giving her weekly squash matches in the time being like with Strowman.
Bluekaveli
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It's never the wrong time to give Kane a title reign!
A lot of those matches were against Big Show.
Hidden One
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Imagine a world where Reigns never failed a drug test.....RAW would have been the same old shit tonight.
Sweeney Tom
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ECW Championship (1 time)[79]
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Show me one Universal or WWE title reign there, all I see is WWF, World Heavyweight, and tag shit. Even WCW and ECW shit!
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Given the recent history of watching NXT stars jump to the main roster, stardom in NXT doesn't mean shit in the big show. Already listed a shortlist of examples, but another that comes to mind is Neville. He was an incredible worker in NXT, but he's not connecting as much on the main roster.
AJ Styles came in and quickly earned for his main event status. He had match of the year candidates with Reigns, Cena, and even fat Jericho. Based on what I saw tonight, Balor is not AJ Styles. Hell, Roman carried that main event and told a great story in that match as the powerhouse he's been billed as
Believe me, I'm not saying Roman should have won. I was rooting for Cesaro to get his moment.
I'm pretty sure he might be the only person to ever debut in a Meltzer Five Star Match. Certainly the only one in the WWF.
What exactly was Neville given again?
No stories, no angles, no character, no promos, no feuds, even, and 50/50 booking. What are you supposed to do with that when you're not a great talker?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, AJ has a lot in common with Balor, but he actually has improved his promo work noticeably within the last few months.
But NXT stars have started really getting over now, I dunno. Owens and Zayn are staple characters for the brand now. You can argue NXT paid pretty slim dividends up until recently when its been routinely producing bankable stars.
By your logic, Sami Zayn or Kevin Owens should have went over then. Just stop.
I have to say, I really want to see Seth cut a promo about being Champion of the Universe with that cackling laugh of his.
Probably would have just been Rollins eating that pin from Balor tonight. Thank you Roman!
Probably would have just been Rollins eating that pin from Balor tonight. Thank you Roman!
Bluekaveli
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HBK the goat is all I read.
It really depends on if you count the shield as NXT or not. If you don't then no, it kinda sucked for callups before Owens.
Edit: Besides Rusev, who owns.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Cesaro? More like Rusev should have had his moment.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They don't count at all, really. I mean, I guess they might, but the Shield gimmick itself was a main roster creation and NXT wasn't much more than FCW at the time Rollins was its champion.
Ninja Scooter
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How do you sell the Coup De Gras? Do you just have to put your arms in the way right at the last second?
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Daniel Bryan is the GM of Smackdown and they made Raw focused on in-ring action with post-match interviews and cruiserweights.
Bryan thought being retired would stop the jokes and ribbing but nope, that only comes when you're out of the company for good.
Bryan thought being retired would stop the jokes and ribbing but nope, that only comes when you're out of the company for good.
wooooooooooooooooooow.
dream
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Agreed. Alex Rusev, as Nostadreamus called years ago, has been the most consistently fantastic talent in WWE.
BewareTheBatsie
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I'm still surprised Finn's allowed to do that move. He's bringing all that weight down on someones chest.
Eh, they redebuted a super heavyweight and a monster for the women's division, and almost everyone in the other featured matches was a heavyweight.
It is going to sting this fall if they give them an hour every night.
Stone Cold says it best, part of the deal is turning chicken shit into chicken salad. Point being Neville was THE MAN in NXT, so his failure to connect is a fair thing to note. But anytime an Indy star fails to become a stsr, it's all WWE's fault.
Ninja Scooter
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"If WWE were Six Flags Nia Jax would break every single roller coaster!"
The double foot stomp is actually one of the safer moves if done correctly.
Even Ted Dibiase Jr. used to do it.
Sibersk Esto
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I actually think Braun will shine in jobber matches, unlike Nia Jax and her complete lack of presence.
Bluekaveli
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Moty contender imo
avengers23
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I'm way late to the party, but I'm trying to catch up to All Japan so I can watch the July 23 show with Miyahara vs. Akiyama and the Strong BJ vs. Big Guns rematch. The Strong BJ vs. Big Guns match from June 15 is a really entertaining match about Strong BJ discovering the power of teamwork to unseat the Big Guns, and Zeus is definitely a contender for most improved wrestler of the year.
Look at this deadlift German suplex!
Recommended.
Look at this deadlift German suplex!
Recommended.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I got the impression they don't push her because she's difficult. But yeah, she's just not as good as the Four Horsewomen, which is kind of a problem for her because the entire division now revolves around them (the way it used to revolve around Paige).
It's not really fair to her since she's an okay wrestler, but they really did start taking the division a lot more seriously within the last two years so the point at which she was the main star feels like it was a different era.
How does one connect with everything I listed taken away?
Neville was given absolutely nothing, and even his biggest strengths were not utilized at all.
serenewarfare
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I've never even seen him come close to botching it either. His consistency is incredible.
Hidden One
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Paige should have been drafted to SD. She will be stuck at the back behind Sasha, Charlotte and Nia now lol.
BewareTheBatsie
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Did she even come out at the beginning with the whole roster? I didn't see her.
The Reings project had a lot of problems. The invincibility, booking stubborness, the fact that he was put over so consistently, having even a RR basically dedicated to him while a lot of fresh stars were left in the limbo. After a decade of "Cena wins lol", it's easy to undertand why so many fans rejected him. He was Vince's guy and the fans dreaded 10 more years of the same thing. Stupid character overcoming the odds, pulling victories out of nowhere, no selling, burying talent, etc.
Whether or not you feel the same about Roman's push, booing Reings and not booing Finn is only inconsistent if you look at it with no context. If you followed the WWE for the past couple of years, in order to write the reaction off as "inconsistency", you'd have to willingly pretend the context isn't there.
Whether or not you feel the same about Roman's push, booing Reings and not booing Finn is only inconsistent if you look at it with no context. If you followed the WWE for the past couple of years, in order to write the reaction off as "inconsistency", you'd have to willingly pretend the context isn't there.
serenewarfare
Banned
She has pretty good chemistry with Sasha based on their past matches, so I could see them working a feud soon, but that would require Paige turning heel AGAIN.
Hidden One
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Don't worry. Neville will be given it all with a long cruiserweight title run soon..
serenewarfare
Banned
Thinking about how good this Raw was, then adding CWC guys to it fighting over a Cruiserweight title... I think WWE might be good again, guys.
An argument starting with wrestler X began wrestling in Y year is a flimsy foundation for anything. But what do I know... let's put the strap on Flair for the 17th time!! Wooooo!
BewareTheBatsie
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Heel Paige is great but we need a return of heel Sasha. Tonight gave her that babyface moment of celebration but I hope in the next few months we get a return of the Boss. Probably would need to turn on either Becky or Bayley to get a negative reception though.
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