TNA does wargames.....even if they have to force the teams into the match.
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TNA does wargames.....even if they have to force the teams into the match.
British Monsoon
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Woah, Kenny King is at Impact;
Would be a huge loss to ROH if TNA sign Kenny King - he's got a ton of potential and is so athletic. Think Shelton Benjamin, but with charisma.
I...yeah, you're right
Would be a huge loss to ROH if TNA sign Kenny King - he's got a ton of potential and is so athletic. Think Shelton Benjamin, but with charisma.
I...yeah, you're right
Keyser Soze
Member
Kenny King at Impact would be awesome. He's much needed talent for that X-Division.
You know, as badly as the rikishi run over austin angle flopped, this really illustrates just how, well, uncreative creative is now.
I know that a big part of the rpoblem is constant rewrites and Vince's ADHD when it comes to angles, but I think WWE would benefit greatly by consolidating their writing/creative department down to 1-5 individuals.
Right now, I believe they're at 30-40 staff, plus 5 rotating interns. The result is lack of coherence to the program, as instead of one person comin gup with a vision and direction for the program, you end up with one person's idea being used here, another person's idea being used there, and the entire show ends up disjoint. The main draws end up isolated from the rest of the card, and everything ends up compartmentalized, resulting in the brand's drawing power being concentrated into a few stars, and absolutely no one else has any fans.
During the attitude era, stuff like this was relatively common: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDOVOQBNwg
I know this whole spot was for the Team WWF vs Team Alliance survivvor series match, so it's probably not that good of an example, but every single one of these wrestlers had their own mini history/dynamic with the others. Rock and Austin. Angle and Shane. Kane and Taker. Booker and Austin. Jericho and Rock. Etc, etc. And you would frequently see feuds involving 2 or 3 wrestlers connect to a separate feud involving another 2 or 3 wrestlers, often with members of the first feud having a certain history/unfinished business with members of the second feud. Even lower midcard stables like The Brood would benefit because they'd end up tangled up with the Ministry of Darkness, or you would see the APA's services used by the Corporation to take out Austin, and Too Cool would interfere on Austin's behalf, or something like that.
Since everyone connected to everyone else, you ended up with huge draws like Austin and Rock, but you also had another 15-20 wrestlers each wiht their own niche of fans.
If WWE shrunk creative down to 1-5 members, it would give whoever was in creative more power to stand up to Vince (it's easier to replace 1 member of 40 than it is 1 of 5 because that 1 of 40 is less important to your overall operations, typically. Especially if they're part of a general purpose writing team instead of being the main booker). It would also allow the lower, mid, and upper cards to interact more easily, because you're less likely to come up with booking conflicts (if you have one person writing, that person can do as they see fit, whereas if you have some people coming up with ideas for Cena vs Kane, another person's idea for Kane vs. Punk might not be compatible with that program, or at least, not without squabbling among creative team members).
Sometimes you'll end up with overbooking and dusty finishes, but it's better than having your product become Cena vs _______ , featuring exhibition matches involving Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Kofi Kingston, and the rest of the roster.
I can't think of a time where the statement "No man is bigger than WWE/F" could be less true. If Cena were to disappear one day, Vince would be scrambling. The only time the drawing power might have been weaker is when Bret Hart was feuding with a pirate over his jacket.
Keyser Soze
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Perspicacity
Banned
Didn't ROH and TNA have some rule about not sharing talent? Or did that die with Silkin and Jarrett?
The problem (as I see it), is that they're booking a wrestling television show, when they should be booking a wrestling show and televising it. By that I mean they have a main character (Cena) and then supporting characters and background cast. Sometimes (rarely) they'll let a supporting cast member get a Very Special Episode, but otherwise they feel that something needs to happen to/with Cena every week.
What they should be doing is looking at their live market and tailoring the best show for each crowd (without always giving away PPV matches on free TV). By that I mean, it's clear that not every audience wants the same thing, but certain wrestlers or segments will always work better in certain markets (anything with the name Hart attached to it will draw here, etc.). If Cena doesn't get the reactions you want in certain markets, then let the show focus on someone else in the main event slot, don't just try to ram a John Cena peg into a CM Punk/Daniel Bryan shaped hole.
Further to that, they should have a chart with all of the wrestlers on the show and give each one of them a purpose for that show, even if the purpose is just "I am here to win a wrestling match because I am a wrestler". Instead of solely focusing on the motivations and stories of the top two/three feuds.
Terribly sorry about that. Oh well, we did help bring Ring Ka King into the world, that's something... I guess.
Think Kenny King's contract is expired, even though he's tag team champion.
Why? Let's get this over with
Gotta have an entire month + to build to Summerslam.
British Monsoon
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Watching the joint AJPW/NJPW show from last Sunday - Stan Hansen comes out to be at ringside for the main event and the whole damn Sumo Hall erupts. 11,000 fans all chanting HAN-SEN! HAN-SEN! HAN-SEN! and joining in when he throws up the bull horns. Goddamn, considering he retired 12 years ago it's crazy to see how beloved Stan still is in Japan, and how important he was to Japanese wrestling in general.
For old times sake, here's 6 minutes of Stan lariating people to death;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcc4gltns8E
LARIATOOOOOOO!!!!
Yeah - first in 2004, when the whole Fienstein/Catch a Predator stuff came out and TNA pulled all their talent, and in 2007 when ROH started doing PPV, TNA pulled their talent again, although The Bucks, LAX & the Machineguns all appeared on a handful of non-PPV shows after that.
Before ROH were bought by Sinclair, they had contracts of a sort that would allow wrestlers to leave if TNA or WWE came calling, but Sinclair enforced more restrictive contracts, which is why some guys (like Cabana and Generico) were reluctant to sign. But if King isn't under contract, he's free to work wherever.
For old times sake, here's 6 minutes of Stan lariating people to death;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcc4gltns8E
LARIATOOOOOOO!!!!
Yeah - first in 2004, when the whole Fienstein/Catch a Predator stuff came out and TNA pulled all their talent, and in 2007 when ROH started doing PPV, TNA pulled their talent again, although The Bucks, LAX & the Machineguns all appeared on a handful of non-PPV shows after that.
Before ROH were bought by Sinclair, they had contracts of a sort that would allow wrestlers to leave if TNA or WWE came calling, but Sinclair enforced more restrictive contracts, which is why some guys (like Cabana and Generico) were reluctant to sign. But if King isn't under contract, he's free to work wherever.
My god it's a monster!
A bit baffling to me how ROH let that happen. I guess maybe they put the tag-titles on him and Rhett in order to convince King to re-sign with ROH.
holy shit thats awesome
That music, so good.
Perspicacity
Banned
Kenny King used to be on TNA pretty regularly as a no-charisma jobber. I think he only started to get pretty good once they put him in a stable with Aries, but nowadays he could probably do all right in WWE rather than going to TNA where dreams go to die.
Nocturnowl
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It's fucking awful, I should know, I own it.
But Benoit and Eddie Guerrero's GBA entrance themes amused me and my friends so at least you linked straight to one of the highlights.
But it's not as good as Eddie's, LA-ENO-EAT! LA-ENO-EAT!
Eddies is amazing, but OMG at Regal's.
British Monsoon
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Oh, fuck no;
Six months? Fuuuuuuck - perhaps they could debut Brodie Lee (who has been in the background of all Bray's NXT promos) and have Bray manage him, to keep the gimmick alive.
Six months? Fuuuuuuck - perhaps they could debut Brodie Lee (who has been in the background of all Bray's NXT promos) and have Bray manage him, to keep the gimmick alive.
Perspicacity
Banned
Awful news. His vignettes alone were already highlights of NXT
Holy shit this is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VleQFaJJooc&t=384s
now now...
Good Will,
Courtesy, and
Manners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VleQFaJJooc&feature=related#t=8m16s
Nocturnowl
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That's like genuinely the best one in the game.
Okay that's it, time for a Regal entrance theme appreciation post.
2000 theme
So freaking good, one of the most underrated entrance themes of all time.
The forgotten 2002 theme
Regal's going into medieval warfare and it's bloody awesome.
So anyone ever read Regal's book? I'm now intrigued by it.
And another injury takes someone away.
that theme is the only one i recognize by him actually. It sounds a little like Mr Perfect.
You forgot one of his classic theme's. Still hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkEju95RIrk#t=2m22s
Nocturnowl
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While i'm having a bout of nostalgia let's all groove to the Too Cool entrance theme, the good one, i'm still annoyed that turn it up took over for like most of Scotty's career.
edit: I can't believe I forgot real man's man! at first I was expecting his awful theme for when he teamed up with Eugene.
double edit: Somehow Regal's greatness snuck into Too Cool's theme, corrected!
edit: I can't believe I forgot real man's man! at first I was expecting his awful theme for when he teamed up with Eugene.
double edit: Somehow Regal's greatness snuck into Too Cool's theme, corrected!
Six freaking months? Fuck it, I was really looking forward to seeing him on NXT.
Keyser Soze
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I will try and watch TNA tonight with #GAFALL
Keyser Soze
Member
If he is out 6 months, then they could debut him in the Rumble. There could be some nice promos to build that up, and the character could have some entertaining stuff to do in the Rumble.
British Monsoon
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"@TNADixie New X-Division stars competing for a spot at Destination X tonight at 8 on Spike - Flip Casanova, Lars Only, Dakota Darsow and Kenny King"
Apparently, Flip Casanova is Flip Kendrick, while Lars Only is Johnny Yuma from PWG & NWA:Hollywood.
Apparently, Flip Casanova is Flip Kendrick, while Lars Only is Johnny Yuma from PWG & NWA:Hollywood.
Sucks that they couldn't grab El Generico for this.
The helpful thing his his character doesn't need to be shown off in the ring much in his debut, its all communicated in his vignettes. That could work easily. Let's hope somebody thinks of that
It wasn't like he was going to be on the main roster, soon, they were debuting him on NXT soon, but still, it's a lot of time to miss.
Meanwhile, where the hell is Dean Ambrose?
Keyser Soze
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That's actually sounds exciting, but watching TNA live is frightening. I need a fast-forward button.
Keyser Soze
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Off all the talent they have waiting, I think they need to get him EXACTLY right out the gate. What he does, he does really well. They cannot take a chance, get it wrong and then repackage him, as that ruins what is so great about him.
If they need to wait months to get it right, then I am happy with that.
Perspicacity
Banned
Why couldn't they?
But yeah, the dude has more charisma without even saying a word than everyone in TNA short of A Double.
Yeah, I have a feeling they know that he's "ready", but it will be very difficult to package him to a WWE audience.
No clue, but I was hoping they would. He was just in Florida last weekend for Evolve, so all it would take is putting him up in hotels. Maybe he was already booked.
Professor Beef
Banned
Hey, I liked "Turn It Up." It wasn't as iconic as their first theme, but it was still amazing.