June Wrasslin |OT| MADNESS

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Seraphis Cain said:
I don't understand. Are you just trolling or making a joke or something? Danielson's still in WWE. And I know you know this, so I really have no idea what you're trying for here.
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You know, I genuinely thought he was gone because I don't watch or read about Smackdown.
 
dream said:
You know, I genuinely thought he was gone because I don't watch or read about Smackdown.
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And you...never checked to make sure? You know, before talking and making yourself sound stupid if he's still around?

No, I still think you're trolling.
 
Seraphis Cain said:
And you...never checked to make sure? You know, before talking and making yourself sound stupid if he's still around?

No, I still think you're trolling.
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Well, he hasn't been on a PPV in months and he's on a show nobody watches. Plus, I'm an optimist. So I just assumed Vince came to his senses and sent him back to the minor leagues.
 
sf2fanatic said:
So who's the early favorite for money in the bank matches?
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A ladder match with Kofi, Bryan, Ziggler, Cody, Kane (I guess?), Punk (if he's still there), Christian, and someone else? Sounds like it could be good.
 
Professor Beef said:
A ladder match with Kofi, Bryan, Ziggler, Cody, Kane (I guess?), Punk (if he's still there), Christian, and someone else? Sounds like it could be good.
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Yeah it does. They would prob add Sin Cara or JoMo to the match
 
Pretty average PPV. Enjoyed the TNA PPV last week a lot more.

The Cena/Truth finish was way too anti-climatic. I understand the finish, but it just felt so poorly executed. If I were a fan at the event, I'd have felt ripped off.
 
Well those results sound ok, glad I didn't stay up for this one though - worth watching?

Either way, here's a trio of Hiroshi Hase matches;

Hiroshi Hase vs Kenta Kobashi - (AJPW 08/26/97)

Hase had just made the jump from NJPW to AJPW after quitting NJPW when a student of his died in the ring training with Kensuke Sasaki, and in his biggest AJPW match yet he has to face off against none other than the Triple Crown champion Kenta Kobashi;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD1cJUcXzI

Hiroshi Hase vs Jun Akiyama - (05/01/98)

Akiyama's on a run of good form, but traditionally chokes at the final hurdle, but will he be able to defeat Hase in a Tokyo Dome main event? Hase is now only wrestling part-time, but his ability hasn't diminished in the slightest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKPYo9yn8j4

Hiroshi Hase vs Toshiaki Kawada - (05/02/99)

Kawada is returning from an injury and in his first match back he's up against Hase, who takes everything Kawada has to throw at him and throws it right back in his face. Intense, physical and everything you'd expect from a Kawada main event;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kIRkAzP5_g

*edit;

Keiji Mutoh vs Vader - (NJPW 08/10/91)

Hell yeah, classic match as Mutoh tries to overcome to odds against Big Van Vader in the G-1 Climax Tournament. Handheld quality, but still good enough;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV495eUIVy4
 
Plywood said:
Crazy thought: He wins MitB, then takes his break, comes back after a couple months and cashes in. Yeah I know, it'll never happen.
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that would be the most awesome shit in the world. no one would see that shit coming.
 
Plywood said:
Crazy thought: He wins MitB, then takes his break, comes back after a couple months and cashes in. Yeah I know, it'll never happen.
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that would actually be pretty good. Would add a bit of mystery to when it would be cashed in as well since the last few MITB cash ins have been sort of predictable.


nah if they want to write him off that night I bet he wins MITB, cashing in on Cena that night and loses. Cena AA's him off the stage and thats that.
 
Nocturnowl said:
Okay on the upside there is no way Money in the bank can be worse than this ppv, then again I thought similar things after Over the limit.
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Punk wins money in the bank, cashes it in, LOSES the match with cena.
 
Missed the PPV, looks like I miss yet another 60-70K selling show. Superb.

At least Punk won; not that it matters since he will either: a) leave soon, b) be jobbed out to fruity pebbles, or c) both.
 
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me why Alex freakin Riley went over the guy who won the main event at Wrestlemania? Is there something I'm missing here? He really has no discernable talent. He's decent on the mic (let's see him cut a promo as a face, BTW) and is pretty average-below average in the ring. And he clobbers the Miz week after week? Unless this is the WWE's way to bury the Miz, I just don't understand what people see in Alex Riley.
 
worldrunover said:
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me why Alex freakin Riley went over the guy who won the main event at Wrestlemania? Is there something I'm missing here? He really has no discernable talent. He's decent on the mic (let's see him cut a promo as a face, BTW) and is pretty average-below average in the ring. And he clobbers the Miz week after week? Unless this is the WWE's way to bury the Miz, I just don't understand what people see in Alex Riley.
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Dawg, just wait until Raw where the feud will continue. This is part of a bigger storyline and all will be revealed eventually. This is all planned out, and in no way booked one match at a time. I'm sure 4 months from now, it will cross paths with the Christian/Orton feud, and we'll get tons of 4 star matches out of it as well.

Just chill, brah.
 
worldrunover said:
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me why Alex freakin Riley went over the guy who won the main event at Wrestlemania? Is there something I'm missing here? He really has no discernable talent. He's decent on the mic (let's see him cut a promo as a face, BTW) and is pretty average-below average in the ring. And he clobbers the Miz week after week? Unless this is the WWE's way to bury the Miz, I just don't understand what people see in Alex Riley.
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Whilst I don't appear to mind the result as much as you, I agree that Riley has yet to prove himself as a face. I actually think he did a brilliant job as Miz's lackey, and always appeared to put maximum effort into his performances. I enjoyed the face-turn, but haven't seen anything since to suggest he will retain the crowd's support.
 
So by reading what transpired, this is WWE's logic

Miz/Riley use the belt behind the refs back, ref did not see, counts a 1-2-3 anyway, Miz wins. Ref watches replay if unseen events, reverses decision.

Randy Orton wins despite Christian's feet being under the ropes, ref did not see (?), no replay given, Orton wins. Orton afterwards cheapshots his opponent, something Miz/Riley got punished for before with Cena. Nadda.

I know, it isn't suppose to make sense, it's wrasslin', but for fuck sake.

And what's with WWE/Vince/Kevin Dunn pushing Alex fuckin' Riley as the #2 face on Raw. Not enough :lol's in the world.
 
worldrunover said:
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me why Alex freakin Riley went over the guy who won the main event at Wrestlemania? Is there something I'm missing here? He really has no discernable talent. He's decent on the mic (let's see him cut a promo as a face, BTW) and is pretty average-below average in the ring...
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You just described The Miz.
 
The Frankman said:
You just described The Miz.
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Miz isn't anything great either. He needs to stop making those pouty lips, makes him look like a douche, though I suppose that's his shtick. Nevertheless, he goes down as another WWE reject who push to the moon and drop to the bottom instantly - joining Swagger, Punk, Sheamus, McIntyre (to a degree), and Barrett.

If I get got bored enough, I would like to see how many PPV's guys like Orton and Cena have won/lost compared to somebody like Steve Austin, who lost fairly often in ''98 on, did.
 
Striker said:
Miz isn't anything great either. He needs to stop making those pouty lips, makes him look like a douche, though I suppose that's his shtick. Nevertheless, he goes down as another WWE reject who push to the moon and drop to the bottom instantly - joining Swagger, Punk, McIntyre (to a degree), and Barrett.

If I get got bored enough, I would like to see how many PPV's guys like Orton and Cena have won/lost compared to somebody like Steve Austin, who lost fairly often in ''98 on, did.
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Even when the Rock was insane popular, I always felt he lost more than he won. He just made it work.

as for Miz. I don't know I think Warrior and Hogan have more moves than him.
 
The Frankman said:
You just described The Miz.
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the Miz has a ton more personality than Riley and has significantly improved in the Ring. I may have been describing the Miz of a few years ago, but he's legit now. And jobbing to Alex Riley.

(BTW I don't have a problem with Miz jobbing, but why waste whatever credibility he had on putting over ALEX RILEY. There are plenty of better guys on the roster to put over.)
 
Ikuto Hidaka & Munenori Sawa (c) vs Takuya Sugawara & Kaijin Habu Otoko - (ZERO1 08/09/10)

Sawa & Hidaka defend their NWA International Light Heavyweight tag belts against Takuya Sugawara and Kaijin Habu Otoko;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrXyJYDpKs

Sunflower said:
This was EXCELLENT. Thank you for sharing.
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No problem man, it's a great match and I love the ending. Very rare to see a Japanese crowd react like that, as no one thought Mutoh had a chance in hell.
 
remnant said:
Hide behind my fucking words? You asked for a feud I thought was good, I gave you a list and got the predictable response.


blah blah Cena won blah blah Orton won blah blah it must have sucked. blah blah same old shit.

But fine lets break it down.
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You dismiss the complaints without backing your point. Yeah, people are complaining about the same shit because it's the same shit that's making the product damn near unwatchable. But you take all of Vince's shit with a smile on your face proclaiming this is great Oscar-winning writing. You should work for IGN.

Yeah Orton gets a title shot "unfairly" whatever the hell that means, but did Christian get swerved, did Christian fall to an interference? No. There is nothing heelish about a face getting a title shot. Christian losing the match, fair and square no run-in's, no screw jobs and then bitching is a heel move. Hence why he is a heel. There is no inconsistency here.

When Austin beat Kane for a title 24 hours after he won, did he become a heel? There is no grace period for being a champ, and it's well understood that teddy makes the matches on SD.
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Wow, you are a fucking mark through and through. Do you not see the illogical nature of awarding a title shot based solely on who gets the most popular fan reaction that night? The booking was completely random. And you know why it was that way? Because Vince didn't want Christian with the belt, and it was only done that way so he could get a good week or two of ratings due to Edge fans finally seeing their good friend get the belt. There is no rhyme or reason to it otherwise and trying to rationalize it is a moot point.

It was a great heel turn because Christian is right all along. Just like Jericho's heel turn against HBK and CM Punk's heel turn against Jeff Hardy were both awesome. But whereas those two storylines actually had a purpose to continue, this one was only done as a way to screw Christian and get the belt on Orton as quick as possible.

It was a good feud because they were able to move the focus onto the Rock nd Cena, and give the Miz a justifiable reason for being ignored. Miz left every show until WM with the upper hand, because Cena/Rock were so focused on each other. it cemented Cena as the top guy, gave more fuel to the "Everyone overlooks me" angle that Miz was working and the Rock got to cut good promo's. It was promo heavy but i liked it.
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Why did Cena need to be cemented as a top guy? He doesn't need any cementing. He is the top guy. Instead of using the feud to elevate Miz, they didn't. Not only did they make him look weak by completely ignoring him in the main event feud of Wrestlemania, they had him win only due to Rock's interference because he wouldn't have otherwise. And you completely ignore the part where Cena comes out the next week and doesn't care that he got screwed. Real good storytelling there.

Are we forgetting that for weeks Punk had the Nexus destroy Orton? Punk goes after orton for shit that happened two years ago. Orton comes back and starts slowfully taking out every member of the Nexus. Punk has to hold the stable together as they panic and the 'E has a slow burn towards Orton vs Punk. Punk cut good promo's and had good matches at the time, and Orton is able to be the silent and precise killer that he does well. it's a feud that played to both of their strengths.
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Punk and Nexus attacked Orton twice. It had the potential to be a good storyline, especially harking back to events happening several years ago. But it went nowhere with quality WWE booking that you defend. You cannot justify Orton beating every member of Nexus each week and then beating Punk three matches in a row. That's not good storytelling, it's not good booking, it's not good wrestling period.

You didn't mention the IC matches. I guess you didn't watch those feuds and matches. What a shock.
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There haven't been any decent midcard feuds because they're all thrown together at the last minute. Or do you want to try to defend the bastion of storytelling that was Kofi v. Del Rio at Elimination Chamber?
 
Striker said:
So by reading what transpired, this is WWE's logic

Miz/Riley use the belt behind the refs back, ref did not see, counts a 1-2-3 anyway, Miz wins. Ref watches replay if unseen events, reverses decision.

Randy Orton wins despite Christian's feet being under the ropes, ref did not see (?), no replay given, Orton wins. Orton afterwards cheapshots his opponent, something Miz/Riley got punished for before with Cena. Nadda.

I know, it isn't suppose to make sense, it's wrasslin', but for fuck sake.

And what's with WWE/Vince/Kevin Dunn pushing Alex fuckin' Riley as the #2 face on Raw. Not enough :lol's in the world.
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Aside from not following your logic. Orton hit Christian with the belt LONG after the match was done.

You also got your facts wrong.

The ref reversed the decision on the Miz because the title belt was already in the ring after the victory. So he watched the replay and saw that he used it.
 
Penguin said:
Aside from not following your logic. Orton hit Christian with the belt LONG after the match was done.

You also got your facts wrong.

The ref reversed the decision on the Miz because the title belt was already in the ring after the victory. So he watched the replay and saw that he used it.
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The larger issue at hand is why do referees sometimes see the replays and reverse the decisions, and some times not. Especially in matches involving Cena.
 
Just heard that Jeff Jarrett won the AAA heavyweight belt. I guess that's where all this 'move to Mexico' segment came about on Impact?

Wonder if it'll lead to a storyline down the track with Jarrett bringing over some wrestlers with him.
 
You know when you dont watch a PPV then read the forum the day after it's quite funny reading grown men up in arms because they dont like the result.

Then I remember I'm exactly the same when I watch and wonder why we do it but I know I'll still watch avidly and get pissed off when stupid decisions are made.

I would have loved Truth to win last night but don't have the same desire to see Christian as champ as most of the 'IWC'. I could do without Orton as well though.

Glad I didn't bother last night it sounds like it was the right choice.
 
Penguin said:
Aside from not following your logic. Orton hit Christian with the belt LONG after the match was done.

You also got your facts wrong.

The ref reversed the decision on the Miz because the title belt was already in the ring after the victory. So he watched the replay and saw that he used it.
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I didn't catch the show, thankfully, so I was going by what people said.

By Orton hitting him with the belt, I was referencing past reverse decisions where they'll change the face winning after the heels beats on him or cheapshots him with an object. Of course Christian getting a win by DQ means nothing for a title changing hands. But it would look better for him than losing for the third straight time. But we really have no idea where they're going with it, believe it or not I doubt they do too. The ratings are in a drastic slump. It probably changes ideas nightly.

The replay stuff is basically what you described, and shows their officiating inconsistencies. For Cena, he got the benefit of a replay and a changed decision. They didn't bother doing so for Christian, for no apparent reason?
 
Jeff Albertson said:
You know when you dont watch a PPV then read the forum the day after it's quite funny reading grown men up in arms because they dont like the result.

Then I remember I'm exactly the same when I watch and wonder why we do it but I know I'll still watch avidly and get pissed off when stupid decisions are made.
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I've hardly watched wrestling as of late because of how shit it's been. But even with ratings dropping, things are only getting worse. Vince honestly believes the only way to save the company is to push Cena and Orton even harder. That's just frustrating, especially when people come on here and defend it and say this is the best wrestling and best storylines we've had in a long time. *spit*
 
JdFoX187 said:
The larger issue at hand is why do referees sometimes see the replays and reverse the decisions, and some times not. Especially in matches involving Cena.
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I know there are times when the ref reverses the decision, or more importantly when Teddy Long comes out and says the match won't end that way.
And I can't really argue sometimes booking is hit or miss with the rules.

I was just pointing out that what happened to the Miz isn't the same thing that happened to Christian.

Striker said:
I didn't catch the show, thankfully, so I was going by what people said.

By Orton hitting him with the belt, I was referencing past reverse decisions where they'll change the face winning after the heels beats on him or cheapshots him with an object. Of course Christian getting a win by DQ means nothing for a title changing hands. But it would look better for him than losing for the third straight time. But we really have no idea where they're going with it, believe it or not I doubt they do too. The ratings are in a drastic slump. It probably changes ideas nightly.

The replay stuff is basically what you described, and shows their officiating inconsistencies. For Cena, he got the benefit of a replay and a changed decision. They didn't bother doing so for Christian, for no apparent reason?
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Again, arguing different points.
Its not like Orton beat the crap out of Christian post-match, which is something the WWE has reversed their decision on before.
He hit him once like 5 mins after his post-match celebration. And it was seen as an act of revenge to the audience for the two times Christian knocked him out with a belt.
 
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I don't know a single person that likes watching Jarrett wrestle.
 
Bootaaay said:
AMAZING hype video for Eddie Edwards vs Davey Richards at ROH - Best in the World 2011;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ9ETYFLdAk

Seriously, why can't other wrestling companies use story lines like this? Stories based in reality that have ACTUAL emotion. I can't wait for this match, it's going to be awesome, although I'm really torn over who I want to win. Davey deserves the belt, but Eddie's run has been great so far.
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Way late, but gotdamn this is exceptionally well done. Much more interesting than the WWE's great feuds, and way more "real" than any of the handycam Reaction TNA stuff.
 
Teams for NJPW's J Sports Crown trios tournament;

(01) Hiroshi Tanahashi, KUSHIDA & Mascara Dorada
(02) Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Wataru Inoue & King Fale
(03) Yuji Nagata, Wataru Inoue & Takaaki Watanabe
(04) Koji Kanemoto, Kyosuke Mikami & Hiromu Takahashi
(05) Hirooki Goto, Prince Devitt & Ryusuke Taguchi [2010 Winners]
(06) Giant Bernard, Karl Anderson & Jushin Thunder Liger
(07) Satoshi Kojima, Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma
(08) Toru Tano, Takashi Iizuka & Tomohiro Ishii
(09) Masato Tanaka, Yujiro Takahashi & Dick Togo
(10) Brian Kendrick, Jado & Gedo
(11) Lance Archer, TAKA Michinoku & Taichi
(12) Tsuyoshi Kikuchi, Madoka & Shinobu

Great to see Kendrick back in Japan, his ZERO-1 stuff with the likes of Danielson, Shelley and Low Ki back in '02-03 was excellent. I like the look of Bernard, Anderson & Liger as a team too, should be a great tournament.
 
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