Jurassic Park III - What were they thinking?

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Technosteve said:
if you watched the making of JPIII, they scrapped the script 4 weeks from filming and made everything up on the spot. It was a garbage cash grab production from beginning to end.
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Do we know why they decided to scrap the script? It seems crazy to do it on a film like this, where there's no final act.
 
RedShift said:
I remember the trailer.

"Was that a T-Rex?"

"No (dramatic pause). It sounded BIGGER"

Even as a child I knew that was the most bullshit thrill bait ever.
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Kirby- "What was that?"
Billy- "That's a Tyrannosaurus"
Grant- " I don't think so...It sounds BIGGER"
*For accuracy* :)
 
Jurassic Park 3 really is a piece of shit.

The movie has some decent scenes, but overall it feels like a B-Monster movie wearing a Jurassic Park costume.

EBE said:
to all of you who are saying JPIII was better than II, surely youre kidding, right?

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for all its faults, JPII still has a good deal of movie magic going for it.
III was the worst.
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TLW had a big flaw with the Kelly gymnastics scene, but yeah, its a fuckton better than JP3.
 
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"You're coming up on a...
[flips through his dinosaur guide]
A Pachy... a pachy... oh, hell. Uh, the fathead with the bald spot. Friar Tuck!"
 
EmCeeGramr said:
One of JPIII's biggest issues is that the dinosaurs act like slasher villains. The raptors chase humans over the entire goddamned island just to get their eggs back, even though any animal that has its eggs stolen is probably going to... just assume that they've been eaten and be upset but get over it. Oh wait, velociraptors are super intelligent, even smarter than the smartest non-human mammals.

The Spinosaurus is a massive predator that has tons of fresh meat lying around in front of it in the form of a dead subadult T. rex and the rex's most recent kill, but because some tiny mammals ran in front of it, suddenly it has to wear itself out chasing them over miles and miles of treacherous terrain.

Those aren't animals, they're serial killers.
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Agreed

While I can tolerate the majority if TLW (it still has some great scenes/score), I've grown to just detest JP3
 
Zvonimir Boban said:
He knew what was coming and wanted nothing to do with that San Diego bullshit
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No, he just preferred not working for a company that mindlessly sends in employees to die due to their negligence and lack of understanding to how dinosaurs work.

InGen is a horrible company. Like any other corporation who profits off of death of innocent civilians and employees.
 
I actually like JP3 more than JP2. It was still crap, but at least JP3 wasn't bastardizing a book. Spielberg and company talk Crichton into writing a book he doesn't want to, resurrecting a character he killed off, and then ignored the entire book for their movie anyways.
 
at least JP3 was straight to the point... it didn't shy from the fact the movie was there to give you MOAR DINOSAURS and nothing else. whereas the second one plied you with clumsy man vs. nature subtext.

aside from the fact it was a cash grab i don't think JP3 is near as bad some say. it probably would've been a better fit as a tv miniseries or something, though
 
So we're told that raptors are smarter than dolphins and apes. We see them "talking" to each other. One of them understands the idea of things being preserved in transparent jars, and uses its knowledge of human science, curiosity, and optics to trick a human into walking up to it. They cripple a man and drag him into a clearing so that a bunch of humans in trees will come down and help him, and then they can ambush them. After this fails, they murder the wounded man out of spite and leave his corpse untouched and uneaten. After their eggs are stolen, they figure out that the eggs are safe and sound and can be returned to them, tracking humans over miles to do so. They're clearly utter geniuses, prodigies of animal intelligence. Smarter than many humans, no doubt!




Grant blows into a whistle and the raptors all think "seems legit" and walk away.
 
DrForester said:
I actually like JP3 more than JP2. It was still crap, but at least JP3 wasn't bastardizing a book. Spielberg and company talk Crichton into writing a book he doesn't want to, resurrecting a character he killed off, and then ignored the entire book for their movie anyways.
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The whole entire first two movies of the series never followed the book. They both left a separate story on what actually happened probably due to making it really mainstream and understandable to all audiences. InGen, for one, is a company we barely know much about in the movies because of how the story is and what we do know is that they managed to survive Chapter 11 and possibly hit it during the third movie but it was largely forgotten then. You saw remnants of the company but not really a single mention of what happened.

I still prefer the first two movies though. At least they tried. The first one being an example for its time and the second one have a few key moments that make it good. The third one has nothing going for it. How it's likable by anyone means they just don't respect the franchise enough. The third movie is more of just drama and less concerning dinosaurs.
 
The raptors would have walked up to Grant, sized him up, then attacked him.




Movie was shit and yet I have to own it because I fucking love the franchise, but the only saving graces was the first part of the pterodactyl scene. That foggy walkway was awesome.
 
CarbonRevenge said:
The whole entire first two movies of the series never followed the book. They both left a separate story on what actually happened probably due to making it really mainstream and understandable to all audiences. InGen, for one, is a company we barely know much about in the movies because of how the story is and what we do know is that they managed to survive Chapter 11 and possibly hit it during the third movie but it was largely forgotten then. You saw remnants of the company but not really a single mention of what happened.

I still prefer the first two movies though. At least they tried. The first one being an example for its time and the second one have a few key moments that make it good. The third one has nothing going for it. How it's likable by anyone means they just don't respect the franchise enough. The third movie is more of just drama and less concerning dinosaurs.
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The first movie was pretty darn close to the book as far as story goes though. There were some changes with the characters of course...

Grant and Ellie are not an item
Grant loves kids
Gennaro was a combination of the book Generao and a cut character named Ed Regis
Rather than Tim being the Dino nut and PC guy, they made a very smart choice and gave the PC stuff to the Lex

These really weren't huge changes.

Then there's who lives and who dies. Which made it more interesting for the book readers.

Hammond dies in the book
Malcolm dies in the book
Gennero lives in the book
Muldoon lives in the book.

Honestly, only the change with Muldoon ticked me off because they could have have him be the badass he was in the book and get away from the Raptors, instead of the stupid "clever girl" bit.

Really the biggest change was skipping the end of the book after Grant and the kids are safe, but all of that was kind of anti-climatic, kind of like the scouring of the shire.
 
DrForester said:
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I'd like to say that the changes worked but only in the case of the first movie. The second movie didn't fit my love of the corporate culture and the dedication from Dodgson from BioSyn trying his hardest to sabotage the whole entire thing. I think if the second movie would have followed the book then things would be so much more interesting than how the movies turned out. Jurassic Park anyway is a story about people going against the odds, corporate greed from a company that doesn't understand what they're trying to do, and the sabotage that follows from the utter lack of care for anyone and everyone.

Jurassic Park would have been so much better if BioSyn played a more important role in the series. Dodgson only had an appearance in the first movie and was quickly forgotten through the rest of the films narrative.
 
Well, I have to be honest, while I argue that the made Critchton write the second book against his wishes and wish JP2 had followed it, JP2 was a really weak book and you could tell that Critchton's heart wasn't in it.

I did love the totally halfassed way he retconned Malcom's book death. "Oh, he was only mostly dead." The surgeons were able to save him from the TRex injuries... and a sever case of being on an island when it was napalmed to kingdom come.
 
He was rushed to write the book anyway so that they could make the second movie. That's the main reason why it was half assed as it was. I know it wasn't up to the standard as the first book was but at least it was an entry in the series. Might not have been that strong but give the man some credit. He's dead after all.
 
DrForester said:
The first movie was pretty darn close to the book as far as story goes though. There were some changes with the characters of course...

Grant and Ellie are not an item
Grant loves kids
Gennaro was a combination of the book Generao and a cut character named Ed Regis
Rather than Tim being the Dino nut and PC guy, they made a very smart choice and gave the PC stuff to the Lex

These really weren't huge changes.

Then there's who lives and who dies. Which made it more interesting for the book readers.

Hammond dies in the book
Malcolm dies in the book
Gennero lives in the book
Muldoon lives in the book.

Honestly, only the change with Muldoon ticked me off because they could have have him be the badass he was in the book and get away from the Raptors, instead of the stupid "clever girl" bit.

Really the biggest change was skipping the end of the book after Grant and the kids are safe, but all of that was kind of anti-climatic, kind of like the scouring of the shire.
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There's also some pretty awesome major scenes cut out, including the awesome aviary and waterfall T-rex scenes. Also, there were two T-rexes (T-rexii?). If they hadn't cut some of that stuff and made the changes they did: A. Jurassic Park likely would have been the most expensive movie of all time at the time. B. It would have sat closer to three hours in running time. C. It would have been the most epic movie ever.
 
Skunkers said:
There's also some pretty awesome major scenes cut out, including the awesome aviary and waterfall T-rex scenes. Also, there were two T-rexes (T-rexii?). If they hadn't cut some of that stuff and made the changes they did: A. Jurassic Park likely would have been the most expensive movie of all time at the time. B. It would have sat closer to three hours in running time. C. It would have been the most epic movie ever.
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None of the stuff they cut with Grant and the Kids trekking through the park were essential to the story, but they would have been cool to see. The Aviary scene from the 3rd film was basically the cut scene from the first book.
 
DrForester said:
None of the stuff they cut with Grant and the Kids trekking through the park were essential to the story, but they would have been cool to see. The Aviary scene from the 3rd film was basically the cut scene from the first book.
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No, they didn't significantly advance the narrative in terms of plot points, but I'm okay with that. Sometimes the adventure is the narrative. I stand by what I said. =)
 
Heshinsi said:
Wrong people. It was the Costa Rican government. Remember, the islands are in the Pacific not in the Atlantic.
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Ah, see, that's what happens when you haven't read the books since your freshman year of high school. That's a good few years ago. Stupid mistake.

I really need to reread those books again.
 
So what cool setpieces are left to cull from the books that we haven't seen yet?

One that always comes to my mind and I'm still dying to see is the camo carnotauruses. They could do jack shit like they did in the book and just spook the main characters and I'd be happy but I could totally see an amazing ambush scene coming from that.

If there is one thing that JP3 failed on hard for me was the lack of interesting dino bits. Especially for the climax. Only the aviary is "good" for me while the spino/t-rex fight sticks out for obvious and wrong reasons..
 
The first book has much more of a horror atmosphere than the movie, especially with how it starts on Costa Rica and people getting attacked by compies.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
One of JPIII's biggest issues is that the dinosaurs act like slasher villains. The raptors chase humans over the entire goddamned island just to get their eggs back, even though any animal that has its eggs stolen is probably going to... just assume that they've been eaten and be upset but get over it. Oh wait, velociraptors are super intelligent, even smarter than the smartest non-human mammals.

The Spinosaurus is a massive predator that has tons of fresh meat lying around in front of it in the form of a dead subadult T. rex and the rex's most recent kill, but because some tiny mammals ran in front of it, suddenly it has to wear itself out chasing them over miles and miles of treacherous terrain.

Those aren't animals, they're serial killers.
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This. Exactly this.

Jurassic Park 3 feels like a cheesy monster movie, only with JP Dinosaurs. It is a fucking sloppy, poorly directed mess as well.

Though, the one part I usually enjoy is the Pteranodon Aviary scenes.

Showaddy said:
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"You're coming up on a...
[flips through his dinosaur guide]
A Pachy... a pachy... oh, hell. Uh, the fathead with the bald spot. Friar Tuck!"
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The entire scene with InGen capturing Dinosaurs on the game trail is amazing.
 
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