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[ATastyMuffin]

It really isn't that humane. Sometimes the sedative doesn't take and they're still fully conscious as their body is paralyzed. They suffocate as their lungs stop working and go into cardiac arrest, all the while unable to speak or move or have anyway to show they're conscious and in horrific agony.

Didn't Dead Man Walking depict that? It was pretty disturbing, all things considered.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Let's be honest. We knew the outcome of this trial as soon as they pulled his ass out of that boat.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

To say someone is bloodthirsty or vengeful implies a certain amount of emotion. I do not hope he is killed. If they execute him, I will not smile or cheer or pump my fist. I will genuinely think "OK, that's probably better for the world overall" and move on with my life. If he stays in prison there's a good chance he'll continue to harm the world in smaller ways as many such killers have done in the past.

I don't think anything about that rational appraisal of the situation is bloodthirsty. I just see only harm in this man being allowed to continue living.

You don't hope he is killed but you are OK with him being killed? That's a bit confusing. How can you hope for something and when it doesn't happen just be all, "OK then." You weren't hopeful in the first place.

 

[Emerson]

It's the most humane option we have. If something more humane than lethal injection becomes available, we'll use it

People would/do argue that it is barbaric however a bullet into the back of the brainstem would be much more humane (and cheaper), as would the guillotine.

You don't hope he is killed but you are OK with him being killed? That's a bit confusing. How can you hope for something and when it doesn't happen just be all, "OK then." You weren't hopeful in the first place.

You are arguing semantics and ignoring the concept of what I'm saying (which I think is pretty clear) and I have no interest in engaging in that kind of debate.

 

[LyleLanley]

Let's be honest. We knew the outcome of this trial as soon as they pulled his ass out of that boat.

There was never any doubt that he was going to be found guilty, it's all about whether he'll get the death penalty or life in prison.

 

[HammerOfThor]

The biggest reason I'm against the death penalty in this case is because it will make him a martyr.

If he got the DP, how long before he actually gets, well, killed?

 

[boredofcanada]

It really isn't that humane. Sometimes the sedative doesn't take and they're still fully conscious as their body is paralyzed. They suffocate as their lungs stop working and go into cardiac arrest, all the while unable to speak or move or have anyway to show they're conscious and in horrific agony.

That sounds perfect

 

[Mr.Swag]

Are prisoners in a super-max allowed correspondence?

Are they allowed books etc?

I hope they can take that shit away

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

It's the most humane option we have. If something more humane than lethal injection becomes available, we'll use it

I'd say not utilizing state sanctioned murder, that has come very close putting more than enough innocent's down for good(after years of their lives have been lo mind you), would be a start.

Please, tell me why it should be allowed to exist, and don't give me because we know he did it, because Capital Punishment still being a thing is far bigger than this guy. His death actually solves nothing, but the existence of the death penalty has had huge ramifications on more than enough innocent people.

 

[Pyrrhus]

It really isn't that humane. Sometimes the sedative doesn't take and they're still fully conscious as their body is paralyzed. They suffocate as their lungs stop working and go into cardiac arrest, all the while unable to speak or move or have anyway to show they're conscious and in horrific agony.

Lethal injection is more for the comfort of the people performing and watching the execution and to avoid the public outcry that more graphic methods would invariably provoke. If you paralyze the body, things look nice and peaceful even if the guy is somehow still awake and suffocating or having a fatal heart attack. It's even more likely to happen now that drug manufacturers are refusing to produce the old standbys and the executioners are basically having to experiment on the condemned.

It's probably more humane and certainly simpler to just execute the condemned with a gunshot to the back of the head or by a firing squad or guillotine. But it's a hell of a lot harder to perform or watch. But then perhaps that's not so bad. Maybe it should be a hard thing to do.

Like I said before, I generally think we overuse the death penalty. But people like Tsarnaev and McVeigh are a special case.

It's amazing to me how people can say this and then point at murderers and say they're the ones that are fucked up.

I long for the day that our society is beyond simple primal bloodlust.

Settle in for a long wait.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

That sounds perfect

It's amazing to me how people can say this and then point at murderers and say they're the ones that are fucked up.

I long for the day that our society is beyond simple primal bloodlust.

 

[Docflem]

There's no guarantee he'd ever reach the point where he could re-enter society, the issue is that there's no attempt or thought given towards rehabilitation.

It's either jail time or death.

Don't get me wrong, our prison system is very, very, very messed up. It needs a severe restructuring and refocusing on rehabilitation, I just find it doubtful that any country no matter how focused on rehabilitation their prison system is would ever let this guy go. I doubt very many people even think it is possible to "fix" him, so I don't know how in this instance the American system is wrong (other than if you oppose the death penalty, which I do but I also understand how it could be applicable in this situation)

It's probably more humane and certainly simpler to just execute the condemned with a gunshot to the back of the head or by a firing squad or guillotine..

These examples don't actually have a good track record. I remember reading about one execution attempt by firing squad, the guy with the loaded rifle missed, hit the inmate in the stomach and he slowly bleed out while the people in charged tried to figure out if they should shoot him again or get medical attention. . .

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

That sounds perfect

Yeah, this type of response to some horrible details no doubt sums up the vast majority of people in support of the death penalty.

 

[Spider from Mars]

That sounds perfect

Do you get off on human suffering or something, homie?

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

It's amazing to me how people can say this and then point at murderers and say they're the ones that are fucked up.

I long for the day that our society is beyond simple primal bloodlust.

You're asking humanity to evolve out of having certain emotions. A lot of the "bloodlust" in this thread stems from the anger--an inherent emotion in all of us--feel toward the killer and our behavioral response to that emotion is to fantasize about the death of said person.

We aren't actively killing this guy ourselves. Our thoughts are a way to be cathartic without actually killing anyone out of vengeance.

 

[FStop7]

He can have all the epiphanies he likes... in his cell. Forever.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

You are arguing semantics and ignoring the concept of what I'm saying (which I think is pretty clear) and I have no interest in engaging in that kind of debate.

It's not semantics and I'm not ignoring your concept. You say you do not hope he is killed but when he is you're OK with it. This goes against hoping for something. You chose your words poorly, that is your mistake.

Being OK with the death penalty is just that. You're completely neutral. That's all. If he dies you don't care, if he lives you don't care. That's the concept you were trying to make.

 

[KingGondo]

Are prisoners in a super-max allowed correspondence?

Are they allowed books etc?

I hope they can take that shit away

If you're concerned about ADX prisoners enjoying their lives too much... don't.

It's plenty miserable.

 

[Currygan]

Lethal injection is more for the comfort of the people performing and watching the execution and to avoid the public outcry that more graphic methods would invariably provoke. If you paralyze the body, things look nice and peaceful even if the guy is somehow still awake and suffocating or having a fatal heart attack. It's even more likely to happen now that drug manufacturers are refusing to produce the old standbys and the executioners are basically having to experiment on the condemned.

It's probably more humane and certainly simpler to just execute the condemned with a gunshot to the back of the head or by a firing squad or guillotine. But it's a hell of a lot harder to perform or watch. But then perhaps that's not so bad. Maybe it should be a hard thing to do.

Like I said before, I generally think we overuse the death penalty. But people like Tsarnaev and McVeigh are a special case.



Settle in for a long wait.

it is not more humane, it's only way more hypocritical. Nothing about death penalty is humane, absolutely nothing

 

[Fenderputty]

Like I said before, I generally think we overuse the death penalty. But people like Tsarnaev and McVeigh are a special case.

If it was only rarely used and only for people like the above I would probably be for it.

Since it's actually more like this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/innocent-death-penalty-study_n_5228854.html

I'm not sure how anyone justifies the few times it's used well.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It's amazing to me how people can say this and then point at murderers and say they're the ones that are fucked up.

I long for the day that our society is beyond simple primal bloodlust.

Because of the reason they want the person hurt. One is hoping for pain based off someone's previous actions towards other people and one was hoping to inflict pain on innocent people who did nothing wrong. Again, even the law makes these types of distinctions when making rulings about a persons guilt.

This is like saying that seeing some asshole get decked after a picking a fight with a stranger and feeling good about it is the same as watching the same asshole pick a fight with that same stranger for no reason and then being happy that you watched an innocent person get beat up for no reason.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

You're asking humanity to evolve out of having certain emotions. A lot of the "bloodlust" in this thread stems from the anger--an inherent emotion in all of us--feel toward the killer and our behavioral response to that emotion is to fantasize about the death of said person.

We aren't actively killing this guy ourselves. Our thoughts are a way to be cathartic without actually killing anyone out of vengeance.

Not all people are knee-jerk reactionists that cling to the first emotion they feel when faced with things like this. The ability to filter away primal emotions and react with logic and pragmatism is a sign of mature human being.

The fact that people are fantasizing about the death of another human is incredibly fucked up and is not in any way a standard behavioral response.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

There was never any doubt that he was going to be found guilty, it's all about whether he'll get the death penalty or life in prison.

I think its a sure bet he gets the death penalty.

 

[Tesseract]

some day we're gonna have the tech to wipe people clean and give them a fresh start. worst cases like these, do we really want blood for blood?

we gotta let go of the r complex, man

 

[jbug617]

Mhh. Google is cluttered with trials results. You know of any links?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJSw3Mhyd8

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I'm ok with whatever happens

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Not all people are knee-jerk reactionists that cling to the first emotion they feel when faced with things like this. The ability to filter away primal emotions and react with logic and pragmatism is a sign of mature human being.

The fact that people are fantasizing about the death of another human is incredibly fucked up and is not in any way a standard behavioral response.

Cool. Put yourself in the situation of a family member of one of those who died at the bombing. You tell me how easy it is to react with logic and reason, even years later.

You're absolutes here paint people who actively feel strong emotion towards events like this in a bad light. Not everyone can think cold and rationally in times like these.

 

[NullPointer]

some day we're gonna have the tech to wipe people clean and give them a fresh start. worst cases like these, do we really want blood for blood?

Even your sci-fi example equates to death of the person.

Edit: And again, I'm not coming from an emotional appeal. I'm not upset. This person has gone beyond the point of salvation and committed one of the most heinous crimes one can commit - indiscriminate mass murder. He's been found guilty on all 30 counts.

Its not about making this person suffer. Its about removing them from the equation.

I think its a given he'll get the death penalty, but regardless of how it turns out the system is doing what it is supposed to here.

 

[Pyrrhus]

some day we're gonna have the tech to wipe people clean and give them a fresh start. worst cases like these, do we really want blood for blood?

we gotta let go of the r complex, man

This is effectively killing the person who was.

 

[radcliff]

Sentencing starts April 13, the date of this year's Boston Marathon.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

This is like saying that seeing some asshole get decked after a picking a fight with a stranger and feeling good about it is the same as watching the same asshole pick a fight with that same stranger for no reason and then being happy that you watched an innocent person get beat up for no reason.

The fact that anyone would feel good about anyone getting punched in the face FOR ANY REASON is exactly my point.

I get the feeling that most pro-death penalty people in this thread also believe in the flawed idea of karma....

 

[Pyrrhus]

Sentencing starts April 13, the date of this year's Boston Marathon.

Poetic. As if you needed any more proof Tsarnaev is a walking corpse.

 

[TemplaerDude]

Ah the snarky response of a clearly morally superior person.

I get what you are saying. Taking his life puts blood on societies hands just as much as the murderer in question. We would be just as guilty of murder as he is.

What I am saying is that context always matters.

The only snark here is the clear manipulation of my words to justify your bullshit points. Again it is made to believe that I am drawing equality to a crime; I am not. My statement has been boiled down to some vague idiom; it is more than that. You argue that context matters, and I say obviously you would argue that because you seem to think the death penalty is a justifiable punishment and I'd say here we are at square one again because I disagree strongly.

 

[cutmeamango]

some day we're gonna have the tech to wipe people clean and give them a fresh start. worst cases like these, do we really want blood for blood?

A bath, a good night of sleep and new clothes doesn't require much tech.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

i love this special case shit, suddenly all thought and introspection on Capital Punishment being a thing that is allowed to exist no longer matters because these guys are super evil, and we 100% know it. Forget about the innocent people that died, or nearly died and instead lost years and years of their lives because of it.

It's absolutely senseless.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Exactly. I don't want him to have an epiphany or be rehabilitated. I do not wish him to discover a reason or purpose for his continued life. I do not think he deserves to find any future satisfaction in any meager thing he may do or accomplish in super max. He stole the dreams and lives of a great number of people. He came into the embrace of this country and was given special treatment because of his circumstances, and then repaid the people who welcomed him with blood and terror. He doesn't deserve a chance at redemption.

What redemption?

Dude is going to be locked in a solitary cell for the rest of his life.

I mean, if you get off to a person dying more power to you I guess. Not like he's a threat anymore, or that it would be cheaper to keep him alive in prison.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

The fact that anyone would feel good about anyone getting punched in the face FOR ANY REASON is exactly my point.

I get the feeling that most pro-death penalty people in this thread also believe in the flawed idea of karma....

When you're watching a person defend themselves from someone who was trying to hit them for no reason? I don't think watching people defend themselves from the assholes in society and making sure they know that they can't try it again is an odd reaction to have at all.

Like I said, you have a pretty unreasonable extremist opinion there. Even the law makes distinctions where it's alright to hit another person in the face. Because there are situations where it's justified, and it's a pretty natural feeling to be happy when bad people get put in their place for their actions.

 

[benjipwns]

Cool. Put yourself in the situation of a family member of one of those who died at the bombing. You tell me how easy it is to react with logic and reason, even years later.

You're absolutes here paint people who actively feel strong emotion towards events like this in a bad light. Not everyone can think cold and rationally in times like these.

Some people can react with emotion and forgiveness to the face of the greatest of evils:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2_OOaP763k
(ignore the christian shit in the video, i just wanted the video of ridgway cracking)

And lesser evil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBPqqzQfxzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBuDhQKZ4mM

 

[jonnyp]

If I was in the jury I'd give him life without parole, a much worse fate than death.

 

[Tesseract]

A bath, a good night of sleep and new clothes doesn't require much tech.

we'll eventually be able to revert or rehabilitate anyone back to humanity. sticking bad rats in cages to rot is a death penalty. isolation to death ain't nothing.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

When you're watching a person defend themselves from someone who was trying to hit them for no reason? I don't think watching people defend themselves from the assholes in society and making sure they know that they can't try it again is an odd reaction to have at all.

Like I said, you have a pretty unreasonable extremist opinion there. Even the law we are all talking about now makes distinctions where it's alright to hit another person in the face. Because there are situations where it's justified, and it's a pretty natural feeling to be happy when bad people get put in their place for their actions.

LOL.

I have an unreasonable opinion because I don't take pleasure from someone injuring another person? Ok....

Wanting someone to be sentenced for a crime =/= actively wanting someone to feel pain as part of that sentencing. That's the distinction here.

 

[Fenderputty]

When you're watching a person defend themselves from someone who was trying to hit them for no reason? I don't think watching people defend themselves from the assholes in society and making sure they know that they can't try it again is an odd reaction to have at all.

Like I said, you have a pretty unreasonable extremist opinion there. Even the law makes distinctions where it's alright to hit another person in the face. Because there are situations where it's justified, and it's a pretty natural feeling to be happy when bad people get put in their place for their actions.

You keep bringing the law up. Would you feel better if we compare it to manslaughter instead of murder? Even then I think it's giving you too much. Usually the guy who gets manslaughter for killing his wife got the sentence because he wasn't thinking clearly. The state killing someone is literally planning out the death ahead of time.

We get it. You think revenge exonerates you of any guilt that one might feel when taking another life.

 

[NateDrake]

There was never any doubt that he was going to be found guilty, it's all about whether he'll get the death penalty or life in prison.

I'm actually surprised they weren't able/or didn't opt to make a deal for life in prison without parole.

 

[benjipwns]

You keep bringing the law up. Would you feel better if we compare it to manslaughter instead of murder? Even then I think it's giving you too much. Usually the guy who gets manslaughter for killing his wife got the sentence because he wasn't thinking clearly. The state killing someone is literally planning out the death ahead of time.

We get it. You think revenge exonerates you of any guilt that one might feel when taking another life.

What's weird is they want others to do the taking for them, and to pay for it, and so on...I thought they're the ones who wanted vengeance?

 

[Dan]

Does Massachusetts actually execute people? Or is it one of those states that has the penalty on the books and sentences people to it while never actually getting to the execution stage?

 

[boredofcanada]

I'm actually surprised they weren't able/or didn't opt to make a deal for life in prison without parole.

Maybe the defense tried and the Prosecution declined.

 

[OctoMan]

Does Massachusetts actually execute people? Or is it one of those states that has the penalty on the books and sentences people to it while never actually getting to the execution stage?

This is federal

 

[DrStiles]

Sentencing starts April 13, the date of this year's Boston Marathon.

While sentencing does start on the 13th, the Marathon this year is actually on April 20th.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

LOL.

I have an unreasonable opinion because I don't take pleasure from someone injuring another person? Ok....

Wanting someone to be sentenced for a crime =/= actively wanting someone else to feel pain as part of that sentencing. That's the distinction here.

No, I didn't say you had an extremist opinion about being against the death penalty. I myself am against the death penalty. You having an extremist opinion comes in when you start equating all violence as the same, ignore the many motivations and reasonings of why people would be happy at other people getting hurt, and even claim that being happy that someone is getting hurt is morally equal to committing a terrorist attack.

It seems that your opinion essentially boils down to the idea that it's not ever good to be happy when someone gets hurt, and that's an extremists opinion for sure. It colors the situations as nothing more then black and white, with two sides being absolutes. You have no middle ground in your opinion from what I can see. It's "If you enjoy someone getting hurt, you're as bad as someone who actively goes out and hurts people.", which sounds pretty extremist to me.

You keep bringing the law up. Would you feel better if we compare it to manslaughter instead of murder? Even then I think it's giving you too much. Usually the guy who gets manslaughter for killing his wife got the sentence because he wasn't thinking clearly. The state killing someone is literally planning out the death ahead of time.

We get it. You think revenge exonerates you of any guilt that one might feel when taking another life.

No, I think it's extremely dumb to color the situation as black and white, and to judge these two groups of people equally. Me bringing up the law is evidence that trying to do that is a really dumb, unreasonable thing to do. It's not just a matter of revenge, because I think that there are many situations where revenge isn't a good enough excuse to kill another person. If you'll see above, I don't actually support the death penalty. Mostly because I don't think it will ever work in practice and that there are too many errors to be made. The only thing I've taken issue with is the blindingly dumb opinion some people seem to be holding where they are trying to claim that supporting the death penalty is equal to the motivations of a terrorist.

 

[LifEndz]

Let's be honest. We knew the outcome of this trial as soon as they pulled his ass out of that boat.

I think it was when we saw video footage of him and his brother at the marathon. Then it came out that they had footage of him placing what was a bomb behind a child. That's when it was a done deal.