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Norway.

I agree, as long as he's never released from prison.

That said, I think Breivik is getting far too many luxuries in prison than he deserves, luxuries that innocent people living in poverty in Europe don't even get.

 

[SliceSabre]

If we're giving him what he wants with the death penalty, why did his defense team try so hard to save him from it? Couldn't he have instructed them to simply allow them to sentence him to death and offer no resistance to it?

The defense team's only job was to save their client's life since there was not any doubt to his guilt.

 

[Blader]

The defense team's only job was to save their client's life since there was not any doubt to his guilt.

Right, but I think his point is that if Tsarnaev is cool with dying, why bother having his attorneys put up any kind of fight at all?

 

[Peru]

Meet tragedy with barbarism. Great. Opposing the dp is not about caring about the lives of terrorists or killers, it's about what we as a society want to become. Murder is wrong. The death penalty does not lead to less crime. It's simple murder. There's a reason it's a thing of the past in almost all civilized societies on earth. The existence of the dp is a disgrace on the usa.

 

[Sinfamy]

Right, but I think his point is that if Tsarnaev is cool with dying, why bother having his attorneys put up any kind of fight at all?

I'd rather not give him what he's cool with lol

 

[Liquidsnake]

I'm against the death penalty in general. This asshole is getting exactly what he wants, the easy way out.

Life in prison is a far worse punishment IMO, you have your whole life to think about what you did.

The anticipation of death is worse than death itself.

 

[The Albatross]

Breivik vs Tsarnaev. Which country did the right thing?

I dunno... if I knew that Tsarnaev could sit in prison and play Playstation 2, and then have the gaul to say that those games are "torture" and he's going on a hunger strike until he's gets a PS3 and more adult games ... I'd feel sick.

 

[Pepiope]

Meet tragedy with barbarism. Great. Opposing the dp is not about caring about the lives of terrorists or killers, it's about what we as a society want to become. Murder is wrong. The death penalty does not lead to less crime. It's simple murder. There's a reason it's a thing of the past in almost all civilized societies on earth. The existence of the dp is a disgrace on the usa.

I always go back to Thomas Paine:

Who does not remember the execution of Damien, torn to pieces by horses? The effect of those cruel spectacles exhibited to the populace is to destroy tenderness or excite revenge; and by the base and false idea of governing men by terror, instead of reason, they become precedents. It is over the lowest class of mankind that government by terror is intended to operate, and it is on them that it operates to the worst effect. They have sense enough to feel they are the objects aimed at; and they inflict in their turn the examples of terror they have been instructed to practise.

-Thomas Paine

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Meet tragedy with barbarism. Great. Opposing the dp is not about caring about the lives of terrorists or killers, it's about what we as a society want to become. Murder is wrong. The death penalty does not lead to less crime. It's simple murder. There's a reason it's a thing of the past in almost all civilized societies on earth. The existence of the dp is a disgrace on the usa.

So he should enjoy simple but highly valued privileges in life in prison while those he destroyed don't even get that chance???

Makes (non) sense to me.

 

[Tabris]

It's doubtful that he'll ever get out. As far as I understand it can his sentence be prolonged indefinitely.

If he continues to appear to be a potential threat to society, which he is.

My vote is Norway. Capital Punishment is just so backwards.

 

[Piggus]

Meet tragedy with barbarism. Great. Opposing the dp is not about caring about the lives of terrorists or killers, it's about what we as a society want to become. Murder is wrong. The death penalty does not lead to less crime. It's simple murder. There's a reason it's a thing of the past in almost all civilized societies on earth. The existence of the dp is a disgrace on the usa.

Yes it is, otherwise this wouldn't be much of a debate.

 

[Darkangel]

Good riddance.

 

[DOBERMAN INC]

You really are the pillars of freedom and peace, why not do it in front of a cheering crowd?

 

[Kindekuma]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

 

[Tabris]

I dunno... if I knew that Tsarnaev could sit in prison and play Playstation 2, and then have the gaul to say that those games are "torture" and he's going on a hunger strike until he's gets a PS3 and more adult games ... I'd feel sick.

He's a human being, no matter what awful things he's done, he should still be treated as one. The mind needs stimulation. I'm fine with him having entertainment that is available to other inmates. Norway is very progressive in it's jail system.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

instead, have them pay even more to keep him on death row.

 

[richiek]

Won't the death sentence just rile up the overseas terrorists even more?

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

Life in prison is actually cheaper than capital punishment.

 

[Sinfamy]

instead, have them pay even more to keep him on death row.

That only is the case when there's constant appeals.

 

[kmax]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

Death penalty costs more though.

 

[davepoobond]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

Jokes on you. Not only is that going to happen, more money than what would be spent on keeping him in prison will go towards appeals and more court proceedings.

Good job being fiscally concerned with this process.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

Meet tragedy with barbarism. Great. Opposing the dp is not about caring about the lives of terrorists or killers, it's about what we as a society want to become. Murder is wrong. The death penalty does not lead to less crime. It's simple murder. There's a reason it's a thing of the past in almost all civilized societies on earth. The existence of the dp is a disgrace on the usa.

Absolutely. Nothing good can come from adding more murder on top of past murders.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

So you want tax payers to pay for millions and millions in appeals and lawyer fees?

News flash, death penalty is going to cost far, far more than life in prison.

 

[Kindekuma]

instead, have them pay even more to keep him on death row.

Is he expected to be on Death Row for long? I don't think so, personally.

 

[Paches]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

The death penalty isn't some cut and dry process where the dude gets executed in the next couple weeks. These things are usually long and drawn out processes. Even if he decides to not appeal and just wants to die as fast as possible, on average the death penalty costs you more.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

He's a human being, no matter what awful things he's done, he should still be treated as one. The mind needs stimulation. I'm fine with him having entertainment that is available to other inmates. Norway is very progressive in it's jail system.

I bet that/those little kid(s) wishes they had entertainment.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

I'm against the death penalty in general. This asshole is getting exactly what he wants, the easy way out.

Life in prison is a far worse punishment IMO, you have your whole life to think about what you did.

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[NullPointer]

You really are the pillars of freedom and peace, why not do it in front of a cheering crowd?

Because its not used as entertainment. If you want to see him suffer, put him in isolation for the rest of his years. The death penalty can remove him from our world in the least painful way possible. I consider it a mercy for all involved.

 

[Datwheezy]

I'd rather not have tax payers pay to keep him in prison forever.

Edit: nvm, everyone else already realized how incorrect his statement was

 

[SliceSabre]

Won't the death sentence just rile up the overseas terrorists even more?



Life in prison is actually cheaper than capital punishment.

If anything he'll be considered a martyr to other terrorists.

 

[Arkeband]

I'm generally against the death penalty (I say "generally" just to avoid talking in absolutes), but... In this case, and other's like Timothy McVeigh, I can sort of appreciate the decision. When Tsarnaev is killed this situation is over. While, obviously, there are no appeals for sentences like his, that he continues to exist gives more possibility of him being relevant 10, 15, 20, or 50 years from now. With him dead, that possibility of future stories about him or some person making an appeal about him, or something, are over.

I've been at the Boston Marathon every year for the last 10, never at the finish line, and obviously I wasn't directly affected by any of this other than a egocentric "damn I live 20 miles from this nightmare" sort of thing... But even while I'm against the death penalty and I get no joy in any "sick revenge fantasy" as other people have put it, for me, when he's dead, it's the end of Tsarnaev without some glimmer of a chance that he'll ever be relevant in my life, without some teenage girl on Twitter posting "Free Dzokar" because he's supposedly handsome, or some right wing conspiracy theorist thinking that this was a CIA false flag government takeover program therefore he's innocent.

As uncomfortable as the death penalty is for me, for some illogical reason, the elimination of relevance of Tsarnaev is more comforting to me than the slim chance of his relevance 10, 20, or 50 years from now.

It's one of those times when my feelings lack a convincing explanation.

I can't help but think that your mindset that "it's over" is really naïve. How easy was it for these guys to do this? The act was over in a split second. For something so small to create such a large disturbance, it's almost a guarantee that throughout the course of history, this will happen again and more frequently, in spite of mass surveillance and the certainty of being caught, simply because there are just more people alive, so therefore the subset of people willing to carry it out must also increase.

It's been repeated ad nauseum but the DP means he's still relevant for the next 10-20 years, and will surely pop up in your newsfeed the day it's carried out, just to remind you of it.

If personally feel like his relevancy would diminish if he was stuck in supermax, but that's clearly also torture, so that's a tough choice. What's really mercy here, and is mercy more important for society or for the individual?

 

[Ferrio]

You really are the pillars of freedom and peace, why not do it in front of a cheering crowd?

I'd hate to see how popular it would be.

 

[DrForester]

I don't know what would have been worse. Death or being sent to Florence for life.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

.

You really think he's going to have nightmares and shed tears over what he did???

 

[Piggus]

You really are the pillars of freedom and peace, why not do it in front of a cheering crowd?

I really don't understand the pitty for someone like this. Care to explain why you're so upset about it?

You can assume you live in a morally superior society all you want, but you'll have to explain why you think his humanity should not be stripped from him.

 

[kingocfs]

We can have the death penalty but assisted suicide? OH GOD NO HOW APPALLING.

 

[eBay Huckster]

That only is the case when there's constant appeals.

Is he expected to be on Death Row for long? I don't think so, personally.

on the one hand, they could go the McVeigh route and expedite the process

on the other hand, they could... I don't know, not do that

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I don't want him tortured, raped or whatever. I do want him to have a lot of time to think about what he did.

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

 

[Pyrrhus]

He more than earned this. May the date of his execution come swiftly.

 

[fabricated backlash]

He gets the easy way out, and radicals get a new handsome looking martyr. A win win.
Well done US.

 

[G.O.O.]

Terrorism 1 - Civilization 0

 

[trixx]

I'm pretty much against capital punishment, I would have decided for him to stay in jail for life. I heard death sentence in most cases is more expensive than life in jail because of legal fees.

Anyways if this is the conclusion the victim's want than it is what it is. I wasn't directly affected so I think my thoughts are minor in this regard.

 

[Arkeband]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

"7/10/2013"

 

[NullPointer]

He gets the easy way out, and radicals get a new handsome looking martyr. A win win.
Well done US.

Yes, because detaining people indefinitely or for life makes radicals all kinds of happy.

Fuck playing their game.

 

[Jag]

It's doubtful that he'll ever get out. As far as I understand it can his sentence be prolonged indefinitely.

Except one day he can decide to show remorse, repent his sins, tend to sick orphans and be out in a few years.

I'm conflicted about the DP, but not about what to do at a minimum with these mass murderers. They should never, ever, be free again.

 

[Pyrrhus]

He gets the easy way out, and radicals get a new handsome looking martyr. A win win.
Well done US.

I guess we should have set up him with a PS2 so he can complain about the game choices like our more enlightened fellows across the pond.

 

[CharminUltra]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

 

[Pepiope]

I really don't understand the pitty for someone like this. Care to explain why you're so upset about it?

You can assume you live in a morally superior society all you want, but you'll have to explain why you think his humanity should not be stripped from him.

He's still human. If he were killed while posing an immediate threat to society or another individual, then fine. The threat is over, he has been captured. What does the death penalty serve other than revenge?

 

[Somnid]

Here's the way I like to think of it: is it more of a tragedy to let a heinous criminal get off lucky, or a innocent or rehabilitatable person get put to death. I prefer letting people off easy because while it can lack justice, it increases happiness and is failsafe. No matter how futile it seems everyone should be afforded an appeal for life if they want it, they might not get it but I'd say it's their right to have the opportunity. On the flip side I'd say it's equally fair to have the appeal for death should the situation suit it.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Except one day he can decide to show remorse, repent his sins, tend to sick orphans and be out in a few years.

and one day I can get elected President of the United States with a negative net worth

that doesn't mean there's a realistic chance of it ever happening, much like there's not a realistic chance of Breivik ever being free

 

[Netherscourge]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer: