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[Piggus]

He's still human. If he was killed while posing an immediate threat to society or another individual, then fine. The threat is over, he has been captured. What does the death penalty serve other than revenge?

So it is a pity thing. Got it.

What a lot of you are not considering is that the alternative, life in the ADX H-unit, is FAR less "humane" than painless death by lethal injection.

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

WTF? Federal prosecution isn't based on religious values.

 

[SchrodingerC]

I've never been crazy about the death penalty, especially when many innocents have been killed because of bullshit evidence and sentencing. Even though Dzhokhar is guilty as fuck I don't believe he deserves the death penalty. He deserves a 'life in prision without parole' sentencing so they don't make a martyr out of him.

Will our justice system ever change?

 

[NullPointer]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

If Jesus never got mutilated and killed that would have fucked up the whole redemption through blood sacrifice thing. And then where would we be?

He's still human. If he were killed while posing an immediate threat to society or another individual, then fine. The threat is over, he has been captured. What does the death penalty serve other than revenge?

It doesn't have to be bloodlust to have that person removed from our world. Revenge would mean seeing him suffer. I just want him gone. Not to send a message, not to prevent crimes in the future through fear of the same punishment, not to savor his pain - just that he has gone far beyond the line of forgivable action and has forfeited his life in the process.

 

[entremet]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

I didn't know the Federal Court system was religious based?

 

[NateDrake]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

That was only a couple of months after the bombings took place.

 

[DOBERMAN INC]

I really don't understand the pitty for someone like this. Care to explain why you're so upset about it?

You can assume you live in a morally superior society all you want, but you'll have to explain why you think his humanity should not be stripped from him.

I don't pity him at all, I think he is human scum for what he has done, I do not believe an eye for an eye is the answer to any situation though, all this does is satisfy peoples bloodlust.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

So he isn't innocent.

 

[Netherscourge]

He's still human. If he were killed while posing an immediate threat to society or another individual, then fine. The threat is over, he has been captured. What does the death penalty serve other than revenge?

Deterrence.

You need to show the mortal outcome of such a heinous act with the hopes that it will deter others from doing the same thing.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That was only a couple of months after the bombings took place.

So he's now a different person???

I didn't realize those that kill for the cause all of a sudden reflect on what they have done and feel sorry about it.

 

[Pepiope]

So it is a pity thing. Got it.

What a lot of you are not considering is that the alternative, life in the ADX H-unit, is FAR less "humane" than painless death by lethal injection.

No, it's a precedence that should be set for society. Death is absolute, but we should not operate as an eye for an eye society.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

"7/10/2013"

He's carried this tone throughout the entire trial. He clearly doesn't have any empathy about what he did.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Yes, because detaining people indefinitely or for life makes radicals all kinds of happy.

Fuck playing their game.

Yeah, because killing him isn't playing their game. For crying out loud.

 

[trixx]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

???

We can have the death penalty but assisted suicide? OH GOD NO HOW APPALLING.

assisted suicide is even physician assisted suicide is some really tricky stuff. Two separate issues that need to be dissected individually.

 

[Pepiope]

Deterrence.

You need to show the mortal outcome of such a heinous act with the hopes that it will deter others from doing the same thing.

I'll direct you back to Thomas Paine:

Who does not remember the execution of Damien, torn to pieces by horses? The effect of those cruel spectacles exhibited to the populace is to destroy tenderness or excite revenge; and by the base and false idea of governing men by terror, instead of reason, they become precedents. It is over the lowest class of mankind that government by terror is intended to operate, and it is on them that it operates to the worst effect. They have sense enough to feel they are the objects aimed at; and they inflict in their turn the examples of terror they have been instructed to practise.

-Thomas Paine

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Unsurprising. Am anti death penalty but I think I'd take death over the kind of sentence he would have got otherwise.

 

[Piggus]

I don't pity him at all, I think he is human scum for what he has done, I do not believe an eye for an eye is the answer to any situation though, all this does is satisfy peoples bloodlust.

Then what is the solution, and if you don't care about this person or his humanity, then why would it be better? All I ever hear on this issue is "it's not a solution! It doesn't solve anything!" Well that's true. But does the alternative punishment solve anything either? What it "solves" is closure for the families. It's not supposed to really solve anything else.

No, it's a precedence that should be set for society. Death is absolute, but we should not operate as an eye for an eye society.

We don't operate that way. He'll get a last meal and die peacefully, unlikely the people he killed.

You say the DP should not be part of society but again you give no reason why. I don't have an opinion either way, I just want to hear an actual argument for once instead of "this is wrong."

 

[Rentahamster]

Killing someone whose ideology leads him to believe that murdering innocents will grant him paradise in the afterlife seems...counterproductive. We're giving him what he wants.

 

[Netherscourge]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

The US legal system is not based on Christianity or any specific religion..

Unlike most Islamic countries...

 

[Impeccable]

He's carried this tone throughout the entire trial. He clearly doesn't have any empathy about what he did.

It's smart, gets him the death pentalty instead of a life in prison.

 

[dave is ok]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

The bombings weren't at the 2011 Marathon

 

[Business]

Killing someone whose ideology leads him to believe that murdering innocents will grant him paradise in the afterlife seems...counterproductive. We're giving him what he wants.

It's a win win situation then.

 

[entremet]

Killing someone whose ideology leads him to believe that murdering innocents will grant him paradise in the afterlife seems...counterproductive. We're giving him what he wants.

That's the thing, these laws and penalties aren't based on personal will, but static precepts

You do x and you get y if convicted.

 

[NullPointer]

Yeah, because killing him isn't playing their game. For crying out loud.

As is not killing him, for crying out loud. Is Guantanamo not also playing into their hands?

 

[Netherscourge]

I'll direct you back to Thomas Paine:

Who does not remember the execution of Damien, torn to pieces by horses? - Thomas Paine

Nobody forgets the execution and that's the whole point of the execution.

 

[Tabris]

I bet that/those little kid(s) wishes they had entertainment.

It's about society being better than the action or the person committing the action. From a society level, same thing as someone shoving you and you being the better person and not responding in the same way.

You then may say that would encourage people:

Norway Murder Rate 0.6, USA 5.0

 

[mjc]

This is the best outcome. He doesn't deserve to have any modicum of a normal life even if it's in prison until he dies. He's shown that he lacks remorse in the very least. Good riddance.

 

[Phantasy Star]

Unsurprising. Am anti death penalty but I think I'd take death over the kind of sentence he would have got otherwise.

That's the thing, I'd rather death given the choice, which is pretty screwed up.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Here is a list of countries where the death penalty is still legal:

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Gambia
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malaysia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zimbabwe

Some company we are keeping.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's smart, gets him the death pentalty instead of a life in prison.

If he wanted the death penalty, why did he not go down in a firefight or kill himself in the boat???

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Killing someone whose ideology leads him to believe that murdering innocents will grant him paradise in the afterlife seems...counterproductive. We're giving him what he wants.

He could have went out guns blazing but instead hid in a boat and wrote some bs diatribe.

 

[dork]

Death penalty, huh?

How very Christian.

The justice system and the world don't revolve around Christianity.

Good to see. I don't get why people feel like keeping him alive in solitary is a better option. Youll never think of him again either way.

 

[Pepiope]

Then what is the solution, and if you don't care about this person or his humanity, then why would it be better? All I ever hear on this issue is "it's not a solution! It doesn't solve anything?" Well that's true. But does the alternative punishment solve anything either? What it "solves" is closure for the families. It's not supposed to really solve anything else.

Sentences do not occur because of how people feel. He may very well be deserving of the DP, but this is about a precedence that needs to be set, not about any particular person.

 

[bluepolicebox]

Better than what? Him? Unless the Jury sentences a bunch of other random people to die with him, this doesn't somehow lower society.

If they sentenced him to die from a nail bomb then sure but I don't think you can equally put death from a court case next to what he did.

He's going to have his appeal and when the time comes, they will kill him as quickly and painlessly as they can which is more than anyone else got from him.

It's not about eye for an eye either. What he did can't be repaid. His act was judged so egregious that in willfully doing so, he gave up his right to continue living.

I didn't advocate the death penalty in this case but it sure as hell doesn't lower anyone to a murderous man like him. He doesn't need to be around for another 50 years while he talk about him. It's not glorious or pretty but he needs to be gone and forgotten.

I suggested no such thing. I don't like the death penalty for a variety of reasons. It doesn't lower us to the level of a violent offender but, yes, I do think we lose something when we kill people in the name of vengeance and I think we can do better as a society. I get why people support the death penalty in a case like this but I'm not one of them.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

He's carried this tone throughout the entire trial. He clearly doesn't have any empathy about what he did.

So that clears our collective conscience and makes revenge-killing him the right course of action? I don't think so.

 

[Alienous]

He had a lot of time to think about what he did, two years, and this was his answer:

Does he think he's in a music video?

Sit down. No, not that chair, the other one.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

What should've happened to him?

 

[DOBERMAN INC]

Then what is the solution, and if you don't care about this person or his humanity, then why would it be better? All I ever hear on this issue is "it's not a solution! It doesn't solve anything?" Well that's true. But does the alternative punishment solve anything either? What it "solves" is closure for the families. It's not supposed to really solve anything else.

I have no answer to this and don't have an alternative solution for it either, I cannot explain why my feelings are this way they just are.

 

[Piggus]

Sentences do not occur because of how people feel. He may very well be deserving of the DP, but this is about a precedence that needs to be set, not about any particular person.

Once again, you make a statement without explaining why that should be the case.

 

[Siegcram]

Deterrence.

You need to show the mortal outcome of such a heinous act with the hopes that it will deter others from doing the same thing.

The deterrence factor of the death penalty has been completely and utterly debunked.

 

[BobTheFork]

I keep thinking about that comment that life in supermax is 'worse than death'


Was that comment supposed to be for or against the death penalty?

 

[Arkeband]

He's carried this tone throughout the entire trial. He clearly doesn't have any empathy about what he did.

It's hard to truly gauge someone's true feelings like that, but the most recent thing I heard on NPR was that someone in court had relayed that he had said something to the effect of "They didn't deserve this".

What's a little less sincere is posting a picture of him a few months after it happened and pretending two years had passed, unless you just googled that image as a kneejerk reaction to back up your viewpoint.

 

[mjc]

If he wanted the death penalty, why did he not go down in a firefight or kill himself in the boat???

Valid point. He's scared of death despite what he spouts.

Question for those upset with the verdict: Would it not be more heinous to keep him locked up in prison until the he dies? There's no chance for rehabilitation or parole. He'd rot. I'm against death sentences in pretty much every other case but this one. You can't let this one slide IMO.

 

[fabricated backlash]

As is not killing him, for crying out loud. Is Guantanamo not also playing into their hands?

You mean holding people without charges, like cattle, like some Nazi Concentration Camp.
Did you really just try to compare the most famous US Gulag to a sentence that would actually be conform with your constitution.... the fuck am I reading?

 

[Piggus]

I keep thinking about that comment that life in supermax is 'worse than death'


Was that comment supposed to be for or against the death penalty?

For me, it's against it. The supermax wouldn't grant him what he wants.

 

[Impeccable]

If he wanted the death penalty, why did he not go down in a firefight or kill himself in the boat???

No one can answer that.

Perhaps the reality of jail set in.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Violence to answer violence. A shame.

 

[Netherscourge]

Here is a list of countries where the death penalty is still legal:

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Gambia
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malaysia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zimbabwe

Some company we are keeping.

The death penalty does help uphold each individual country's system of government.

Whether or not you agree with individual country's' policies is another issue.

 

[Rentahamster]

Then what is the solution, and if you don't care about this person or his humanity, then why would it be better? All I ever hear on this issue is "it's not a solution! It doesn't solve anything!" Well that's true. But does the alternative punishment solve anything either? What it "solves" is closure for the families. It's not supposed to really solve anything else.



We don't operate that way. He'll get a last meal and die peacefully, unlikely the people he killed.

You say the DP should not be part of society but again you give no reason why. I don't have an opinion either way, I just want to hear an actual argument for once instead of "this is wrong."

Life in prison is cheaper than the death penalty. That alone should be a huge factor, especially to those who consider themselves fiscally responsible, or fiscally conservative.

Life in prison can give closure as well, unless what the family really wants is bloodlust and vengeance, which is why we have a trial in the first place and don't just give the victim's family a shotgun and a pass to blow the accused's brains out.

Life in prison gives the opportunity for the falsely convicted to overturn their case. Can't do that if they're dead.

It's a win win situation then.

I don't consider giving him what he wants a "win", though.

 

[A_Gorilla]

Pleasantly surprised. It really looked for awhile that the jury bought the "His brother made him do it!" bullshit.

 

[Piggus]

Violence to answer violence. A shame.

A lethal injection is not violent. Read the NYT magazine article about the ADX prison and then ask yourself which is worse: a painless injection or spending the next 60 years in a concrete box in isolation.