"But it's not about what he deserves! Because bla bla bla barbarism bla bla bla we're better than that, etc"
This guy is getting exactly what he wants, unfortunately. And yet that's too harsh for some people.
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Jury has reached verdict in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev trial - sentenced to death
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"But it's not about what he deserves! Because bla bla bla barbarism bla bla bla we're better than that, etc"
This guy is getting exactly what he wants, unfortunately. And yet that's too harsh for some people.
You're not supposed to eat it!
Judge quoted Shakespeare during the sentencing.
"A federal judge has quoted William Shakespeare as he formally sentenced Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-HAHR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) to death for the 2013 terror attacks.
Judge George O'Toole Jr. spoke Wednesday after Tsarnaev apologized in court for what he had done.
The judge says, "One of Shakespeare's characters observes, 'The evil that men do lives after them. The good is often interred with their bones.'
He added: "So it will be for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev."
"A federal judge has quoted William Shakespeare as he formally sentenced Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-HAHR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) to death for the 2013 terror attacks.
Judge George O'Toole Jr. spoke Wednesday after Tsarnaev apologized in court for what he had done.
The judge says, "One of Shakespeare's characters observes, 'The evil that men do lives after them. The good is often interred with their bones.'
He added: "So it will be for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev."
DontBeThatGuy
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It's 2015, and we're still executing folk, putting us right there with some other really shady governments. (and this will probably go through endless appeals, which will cost everyone far more money and time)
DontBeThatGuy
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It's revenge, appealing to emotion and blood lust, and puts us right there with a nation like North Korea. It's also a system that can and has fucked over innocent people, so the fact that this guy is 100% a piece of trash doesn't change that. Also, if he goes through the appeals process(talk about prolonging things for the victims and their families), he's not gonna be executed for a long long time, and hell he might just win one of those appeals to get out of death row. It will just end up costing an obscene amount of money, more than a sentence of life in prison, mostly in solitary confinement ever would have.
LOL. North Korea will execute your entire family for speaking out against the leadership. Not quite the same level.
You should really read up on solitary confinement and its effects... are you worried about the cost or humanity? Life in solitary is torture plain and simple.
entremet
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I'm anti death penalty, but it is not revenge. It's justice.
Don't wanna be put to death, don't murder innocent people.
But I'm generally anti DP not due to the revenge factor, but its efficacy and the fact that an innocent person can be executed. It's already happened multiple times.
Death is actually better than rotting in a prison in solitary confinement.
Why does this put us up there with North Korea? That sounds like blatant hyperbole
DontBeThatGuy
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Very few nations are still sentencing people to death, North Korea is, and so are we.
entremet
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That doesn't mean anything, though.
Does everything nation have to be lockstep?
If a confessed and 100 percent proven mass murderer gets the death penalty, I'm not shedding any tears. That's the price they chose to pay when they killed people.
Lone Wolf
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He is going to appeal? It has been said here by posters that he wants to die. If that is true, why would he appeal?
Countries such as Canada, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Honduras, Mexico, Venezuela, Cambodia, New Zealand, Philippines, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey disagree.
Meanwhile the US is on the same side of the issue as Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Bahrain, China, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia.
entremet
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To clarify, not every state has the death penalty.
DontBeThatGuy
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I dunno, Murdering murderer's sound like revenge to me. And yeah, I consider it state-sanctioned murder, because there's no valid excuse, no actual need for it. He's in custody, and he's never getting out, and yet we still feel he has to die. Of course, it's up to him if he want's to prolong this, but appeals can take a very very long time, and a disgusting amount of tax payer money. Just going after the death penalty cost more money (to continue on the economic route)
I still don't see how that puts us up with North Korea unless youre ignoring the absolute oppressive regime, concentration camps where bloodlines of families are killed through multiple generations, extreme propganda and brainwashing, and much more.
The US is divided, it is left to states for most crimes. He was tried federally and even then it has to be approved by the attorney general.
DontBeThatGuy
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Oh, I'm not shedding tears here, but the death penalty should be abolished, give me a good reason for it's existence in this country that doesn't appeal to emotion(which isn't a good reason), why it should still be on the books. You can say someone is 100% guilty, and he is, but it still being a thing means there's the very real potential for an innocent getting caught in the crossfire. It's happened many times before.
Either you're against it, or you aren't.
You're going off on tangents, whereas I've focused solely on capital punishment, and a nation(one of the few) that still regularly seeks it out.
entremet
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There's a difference because death is the penalty the guilty party pays.
It's not murder legally, though, as it is not unlawful. It's similar to military action, which has the same legal protections.
Again, I'm anti DP for many reasons, but I find the revenge argument pretty facile.
I also find it funny that those who are against the DP are fine with people rotting in solidarity confinement for life, which humanely speaking, is far worse than death.
Life in prison in solitary confinement is a fate far worse that death.
DontBeThatGuy
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I'm not for the torture of solitary confinement, but that would be his reality, and it still might be if he goes the appeals route.
It's a bit weird how my views have been changing as time passes.
I used to be completely against death penalty
then I was indifferent
then I was like, well, maybe they deserve it
then I was like, okay, don't kill them but do torture them a la north korea type of fucked upness, then I actually started looking at the rationale from an economic standpoint -- ie. just put a bullet in them 1 year after veredict so we don't have to pay so much for their stay
now I'm afraid that I will be against the death penalty, but instead be for something super sadistic, like they must be put in a crate -- not a room -- where they can't move for 23 hours a day.
but, y'know, do this for serial killers, and terrorists, or child rapists, etc
still, it's scary that my thinking is heading in that direction
I used to be completely against death penalty
then I was indifferent
then I was like, well, maybe they deserve it
then I was like, okay, don't kill them but do torture them a la north korea type of fucked upness, then I actually started looking at the rationale from an economic standpoint -- ie. just put a bullet in them 1 year after veredict so we don't have to pay so much for their stay
now I'm afraid that I will be against the death penalty, but instead be for something super sadistic, like they must be put in a crate -- not a room -- where they can't move for 23 hours a day.
but, y'know, do this for serial killers, and terrorists, or child rapists, etc
still, it's scary that my thinking is heading in that direction
gutter_trash
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IMO, Life Behind bars without parole is a better punihsment than the Death Penalty
the Death Penalty just ends his misery.
Serving Life at his young age would be a better punishment. Spend 60 to 70 years behind bars
the Death Penalty just ends his misery.
Serving Life at his young age would be a better punishment. Spend 60 to 70 years behind bars
Then we - as in the USA - better execute that SC shooter as a murdering terrorist, as well.
My opinion is that it is justice.
However, what's wrong with revenge? If he had killed a family member, I would ask to pull the trigger/flip the switch/strangle him myself.
Liquidsnake
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The anticipation of death is worse than death itself.
how is this guy being treated in jail? what is his routine ?
is it though? I would think it would be relieving if anything
is it though? I would think it would be relieving if anything
No objection from me.
If you did kill him and you support the death penalty, why shouldn't you be executed for it?
DontBeThatGuy
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I wouldn't.
Josh with a J
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I'd be a really good executer
perfectchaos007
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Prisoners escape from maximum level security prisons on occasion. There were a couple that escaped earlier this month in the US. There's a slim chance that Tsarnaev could escape if he's allowed to live. The only way to ensure he will never do harm in society again would be to kill him.
Amory
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And Japan. For some reason people always forget/omit that Japan has the death penalty. Probably because Japan is beyond reproach to a lot of people on Gaf.
DontBeThatGuy
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Rigggggggggght.
Yes? Do you have an answer or not?
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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People claiming the death penalty is barbaric.
Yet won't argue against solitary confinement which is more barbaric than a quick death.
Yet won't argue against solitary confinement which is more barbaric than a quick death.
DontBeThatGuy
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They're both fucked.
That's the worst excuse I have ever read in favor of the death penalty.
That said, this guy deserves to be sentenced to death.
Even if SC didn't support it, the federal government should view him as a domestic terrorist.
Both the death penalty and long-term solitary confinement should be outlawed.
Which "people"?
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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This was just page 1. No one wants the death penalty because it's just as bad as murder. But, let's let him physically and mentally rot for the rest of his life, ignoring the fact that this is worse than the death penalty.
FunkyMunkey
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the greatest gift any of us have been given is the gift of life. although I'm on the fence regarding the death penalty, i can see how some would advocate for it especially in the topic of terrorism and taking the lives of multiple other people. he took other people's greatest gift, why not take his greatest gift in return? characterizing those in favor of the death penalty (especially in extreme cases like this) as being nothing but blood thirsty is a bit of a false label imo
i think i'd prefer him to have solitary confinement for life, but like i said i'm on the fence. and even then some would argue that that's too cruel or too lenient depending on their views
many of the people calling the death penalty barbaric have never (and hopefully will never be) been put into a situation where it would be relevant and personal. losing loved ones to a conscious act of murder and then advocating the murderer live out the rest of his/her days, would take being a bigger person than many of us here are.
i think i'd prefer him to have solitary confinement for life, but like i said i'm on the fence. and even then some would argue that that's too cruel or too lenient depending on their views
many of the people calling the death penalty barbaric have never (and hopefully will never be) been put into a situation where it would be relevant and personal. losing loved ones to a conscious act of murder and then advocating the murderer live out the rest of his/her days, would take being a bigger person than many of us here are.
Yea I suppose I'm fine with all of the options whether it's keeping the killer in a cage, executing him, or using him as a rehab experiment...in the end they should never be near the public. I'm also fine with high court costs (to an extent) because everyone should be able to defend themselves until the bitter end.
No objection to that. I'm also glad that some companies are doing their part by finally removing Confederate flag merchandise
No objection to that. I'm also glad that some companies are doing their part by finally removing Confederate flag merchandise
Amory
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I'm sure that'll happen at some point
LyleLanley
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Here's the transcript of Tsarnaev's full statement for those who are interested.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-statement/2FeEwmOS1M8Sae4AJFxqgK/story.html
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-statement/2FeEwmOS1M8Sae4AJFxqgK/story.html
entremet
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Exactly.
It's so damn hilarious.
Solitary for life is way worse than the DP. The affect it has on the brain is downright cruel.
I'm just laughing at the cognitive dissonance here from some DP opponents.
They don't want the DP because its "inhumane" yet are fine with killing the mind of another human in solitary for life, which could be decades for a young man like the accused.
Either admit that you're fine with endorsing a crueler punishment that sounds way more revenge based than the DP, or offer a third option.
I can only speak for myself - I don't think he should ever see a day of freedom for the rest of his life. But that doesn't mean throwing him down a dark hole, either.
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