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[Zapages]

This is great news! Musharaf should be put on trial for what he has done to Pakistan.

Pakistan court declares former president Musharraf a proclaimed offender

Musharraf, living in exile, is due to unveil in September his plan to join politics

* By Mohsin Ali, Correspondent
* Published: 18:55 August 10, 2010

Islamabad: The High Court in Pakistan’s province of Sindh issued an order to the relevant authorities to declare London-residing former Pakistan president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf a proclaimed offender.

A division bench of the court headed by its Chief Justice Sarmad Jalal Usmani issued the order during the hearing of a petition by social worker Maulvi Iqbal Haider.

The petitioner contended that a case should be filed against the former president for "violation of the constitution, illegal use of national resources, damaging the federation bringing the country into disrepute".

As several notice issued by the court in the past to Musharraf to appear before it were not complied with, the bench ordered that advertisements be placed in British and national newspapers directing Musharraf to appear before the court.

Musharraf, living in exile, is due to unveil in September his plan to join politics at the head of a political group cobbled together by his associates in the country under the nomenclature of All Pakistan Muslim League, according to the group's coordinator.

A murder case against him has been registered at a police station in Balochistan over the killing of Baloch nationalist leader and former provincial governor Nawab Akbar Bugti in an army operation in 2006.

The Supreme Court last year declared unconstitutional and illegal Musharraf's actions on November 3, 2007, when he had imposed emergency and suspended the constitution to oust judges he believed to be hostile to him.

Source: http://gulfnews.com/news/world/paki...dent-musharraf-a-proclaimed-offender-1.666538

 

[Azih]

This is great news! Musharaf should be put on trial for what he has done to Pakistan.



Source: http://gulfnews.com/news/world/paki...dent-musharraf-a-proclaimed-offender-1.666538

You know Zapages, it astounds me that you think the courts in Pakistan are actually impartial in any way.

 

[Zapages]

You know Zapages, it astounds me that you think the courts in Pakistan are actually impartial in any way.

Azih you have to remember what Musharaf tried to do with the courts in Pakistan and Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry... Plus all the missing people cases under Musharaf's reign. In end of the day, Musharaf was a military dictator who deposed a civilian government. I can not bring myself to support a dictator no matter how much "good" he might have brought. If he was such a good person, he should have came through a civilian manner to persuade the Pakistani people to vote for him. Regardless, Musharaf came so the military could become richer.

 

[Azih]

In end of the day, Musharaf was a military dictator who deposed a civilian government. I can not bring myself to support a dictator no matter how much "good" he might have brought.

Pakistan was worse off before Musharraf came into power and is much worse off now. You can't dispute that.

But hey, if you really believe that you can have a legitimate democracy in a nation controlled mostly by tribal elders in some regions and feudal landlords in others all presiding over a mostly illiterate populace then congrats, you're going to have an endless succession of Zardaris.

Edit: And yeah I remember what Musharraf did, as soon as he lost the support of the tiny embattled middle class and faced protests by lawyers and journalists he stepped down and held free elections. Any self respecting military dictator would have rolled out the tanks and crushed the protests in less than a week.

You've got an absurdly simple minded approach to this.

 

[Zapages]

Pakistan was worse off before Musharraf came into power and is much worse off now. You can't dispute that.

But hey, if you really believe that you can have a legitimate democracy in a nation controlled mostly by tribal elders in some regions and feudal landlords in others all presiding over a mostly illiterate populace then congrats, you're going to have an endless succession of Zardaris.

Zadari only was able to come into power because he used the death of his wife as platform to come into power.

If they allow democracy to mature... They is a possibility of people who are not influenced by feudal lords to come into power. It takes time... Pakistan is a young country... Just give it time.

 

[Azih]

Zadari only was able to come into power because he used the death of his wife as platform to come into power.

How the hell do you think Nawaz Sharif is any better? They're both worse than Musharraf and you know it. Hell he's better than Benazir was. She was exactly as bad as Zardari just with a nicer front.

If they allow democracy to mature...

What the hell does this mean?

They is a possibility of people who are not influenced by feudal lords to come into power.

Why the hell would the landlords allow this?

It takes time

It takes leadership that can stand up to the landlords. Not one of the landlords themselves.

The form of leadership doesn't matter a damn bit because what Pakistan needs is simple basic stuff like infrastructure investment and a whole lot of educational investment. Like a whole lot. Your narrow minded fetish for 'civilian' government is completely beside the point.

 

[Zapages]

How the hell do you think Nawaz Sharif is any better? They're both worse than Musharraf and you know it. Hell he's better than Benazir was. She was exactly as bad as Zardari just with a nicer front.

All of them were bad for Pakistan in different ways.

What the hell does this mean?

For new nations where there was no democracy... It'll take a time for it become a full representative democracy. Therefore military should not always try to do coup when their budget is about to get cut. That was the reason why Musharaf did the coup against Nawaz Shareef.

Why the hell would the landlords allow this?
It takes leadership that can stand up to the landlords. Not one of the landlords themselves.

Musharaf was never standing up to landlords... The last person to stand up to land lords was Liaqat Ali Khan who was later assassinated due to disturbing the hegemony nature of the system that has been there before Pakistan was even created. A good thing India has done is end the feudal lord's power to more degree compared to Pakistan.

The form of leadership doesn't matter a damn bit because what Pakistan needs is simple basic stuff like infrastructure investment and a whole lot of educational investment. Like a whole lot. Your narrow minded fetish for 'civilian' government is completely beside the point.

Its a lot easier to say Pakistan needs infrastructure investment and educational investment without actually going there. Pakistan is getting invested and there are really nice highways being built and the country is progressing. As for the education front, there is a lot of things going on and they are being dealt to make thing even better. The main problem is military does like their power or the money that they have to be cut. So whenever a civilian government tries to cut their budget, they do a coup. The military and their children go to different school and live in better houses compared to the rest of the civilian Pakistani population. This seems very unfair and thus all military leaders all looked down upon by the civilian Pakistani population who do not have anyone inside the military itself...

 

[Sh1ner]

Wht is so special about pakistan Zap? where you born there or do you live there?

 

[Prine]

Im of the understanding that Musharaf was better then the clowns Pakistan has placed in power over the last 2 decades.

 

[Zapages]

Wht is so special about pakistan Zap? where you born there or do you live there?

I have family back in Pakistan. So I am concerned about them and the politics that occur.

 

[Salazar]

Zadari only was able to come into power because he used the death of his wife as platform to come into power.

I thought it was peculiar when he asked people to pray for Benazir.

Surely, she being dead, the horse has somewhat bolted ?

 

[xbhaskarx]

Zapages you should just start Pakistan Age Forums.

I suspect the only reason your thread-creation privileges are not taken away is because of the amusement they often provide the rest of us, because aside from that it's a bit ridiculous that it seems like we have five times more threads in the OT about Pakistan than about any other (non-US) country.

 

[Prine]

Zapages you should just start Pakistan Age Forums.

I suspect the only reason your thread-creation privileges are not taken away is because of the amusement they often provide the rest of us, because aside from that it's a bit ridiculous that it seems like we have five times more threads in the OT about Pakistan than about any other (non-US) country.

Its not like he's posting irrelevant info though, the floods yesterday and Musharraf today is more informative then 'twin sisters kiss' to me.

The Aliens thread, i'll give you that, but singling him out is to be intellectually dishonest.

 

[itxaka]

Zapages you should just start Pakistan Age Forums.

I suspect the only reason your thread-creation privileges are not taken away is because of the amusement they often provide the rest of us, because aside from that it's a bit ridiculous that it seems like we have five times more threads in the OT about Pakistan than about any other (non-US) country.

Dude, do you stalk Zapages or something? Every thread from him, I can see your posts complaining and laughing at him.

Look, he is not my favourite poster but ffs let him alone a bit. He is just expressing his views, whether you like them or they are crazy.

 

[Zapages]

Its not like he's posting irrelevant info though, the floods yesterday and Musharraf today is more informative then 'twin sisters kiss' to me.

The Aliens thread, i'll give you that, but singling him out is to be intellectually dishonest.

That was one thread. You guys love to rub it in don't you all. :lol Which I said was a mistake...

Dude, do you stalk Zapages or something? Every thread from him, I can see your posts complaining and laughing at him.

Look, he is not my favourite poster but ffs let him alone a bit. He is just expressing his views, whether you like them or they are crazy.

Thanks. But I am not your favorite poster. ;_;

 

[xbhaskarx]

Its not like he's posting irrelevant info though, the floods yesterday and Musharraf today

But even the floods thread was really just him calling for a revolution to overthrow the Pakistani government, right in the OP.
It's all part of the same crazy agenda: Zardari (or "Zadari") should be deposed for being corrupt, Musharraf ("Musharaf") should be put on trial for what he has done to the country... only a Caliphate like that advocated by Bin Laden can fix Pakistan, apparently.

 

[Zapages]

But even the floods thread was really just him calling for a revolution to overthrow the Pakistani government, right in the OP.
It's all part of the same crazy agenda: Zardari (or "Zadari") should be deposed for being corrupt, Musharraf ("Musharaf") should be put on trial for what he has done to the country... only a Caliphate like that advocated by Bin Laden can fix Pakistan, apparently.

WTF when did I ever say Bin Laden can fix Pakistan. Bin Laden is probably dead, honestly I never cared about him. Jeez, I mean seriously WTF?!

I said just rulers and people who are not corrupt should be leading the country. Is that so wrong to wish?

Also if you know my posts, the definition of the Caliphate from my reading around represents a totally different type of approach to the Caliphate than what Bin Laden's followers are saying who stem from Wahabism. :| My approach to the Caliphate is more in line with four guided Caliphs of Islam...