You're a word.
Justin Bieber exposed using n-word again.
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You're a word.
Angelus Errare
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Not necessarily true.
13 year old boy trialed as an adult is serving 35 years for the accidental death of his sister.
We trial kids as juveniles when the system feels they wouldn't know better, and as adults when the system feels they should know/understand the full ramifications of their actions.
The same applies to Bieber, at 14 he should know good and well what he was saying.
Sho_Nuff82
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What has this kid done in the intervening (7?) years that indicates he has internalized anything about how his negative behavior is affecting people? Does he have to end up in jail like Chris Brown before people stop with the "crazy mixed up kid" coddling? He needs to be admonished, he needs self-reflection. He doesn't need more people in his life telling him that his latest enormity was no big deal.
LilWayneSuckz
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wonder what Floyd's reaction will be since Bieber has become part of his entourage
He basically brushed off his actions in the first video since Mr. Bieber was nice to him and his daughter.
It is just a word, people.
It gets censored on TVs so children don't hear it, but what is the point of censoring words on the internet? It's getting rather silly.
He does more than say the n-word in that video...
I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing these views the thread below then?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=829573
jhmtehgamr20xx
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What is it w/ TMZ's timing on releasing these and how are they even acquiring the tapes to begin with?
I'm not gonna play into their hand.
I'm not gonna play into their hand.
Z_Y
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Come on guys, he has black friends
Is that Reggie Warrington?
"Women be shoppin'!"
LilWayneSuckz
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Don't worry I agreed with your post. I wanted to emphasize a little more on how I feel the same way.
That case was ridiculous.. but the kid beat the shit out of a 6 year old girl.. she had far more injuries than what was accounted for in him and his mom's claim.
And he was let go IIRC a year later and given probation. Which was the original plea deal they turned down.
But can you just say what you think should happen to Bieber Angelus?
All of this beating around the bush.. you think what you say at 14 should end your career? Or impirosned for life? What exactly is your point? Murder is the only thing we try kids for as adults for the most part.. so racist jokes = murder?
His "joke" is awful.. disgusting, and really should be used as an example. But really it's his trashy as hell parents that should be condemned for raising him that way IMO. When your parents are dirtbags you don't have much of a chance to turn out to be a good teenager.
The Albatross
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Exposed? He... came to the press with this video?
We've all done/said things we were embarrassed of when we were 14. I think it's good that Bieber is owning up to it and not denying it. Definitely wrong then, but he was an idiot kid and I don't hold it against him now, as an idiot adult. I'd shudder to think at the words and things that most of gaf would have said when they were 14.
Can't watch the video because I'm at work.
We've all done/said things we were embarrassed of when we were 14. I think it's good that Bieber is owning up to it and not denying it. Definitely wrong then, but he was an idiot kid and I don't hold it against him now, as an idiot adult. I'd shudder to think at the words and things that most of gaf would have said when they were 14.
Can't watch the video because I'm at work.
Too bad for you but that's not the case.
Agreed.
Though I hope the people who are defending Beiber for being 14 aren't the same people prone to suggesting a black boy should be treated as an adult for similar shenanigans.
Sadly studies says I'm going to be wrong more often than I'm right on this hope.
Is "I'll be part of the KKK" just a word too?
It is just a word, people.
Well from what we've learned they've been blackmailing him for years, and this time he didn't pay up.
vas_a_morir
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Real talk: Don't apologize for it, Biebs. They media will watch you squirm and when you are done say "okay, you're still fucked and we don't forgive you." If you meant it as a joke, say it's a joke. If you meant it to be racist, stand by your opinions as a racist, and if you are ashamed of them, change. But, nobody likes a groveler. Mean what you say and say what you mean, or don't say anything.
To quote Patrice Oneal "I didn't think Kramer was a racist until he apologized."
To quote Patrice Oneal "I didn't think Kramer was a racist until he apologized."
CountAntonius
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So do people think he's still racist?
Using that kind of language is never OK but it was awhile back. Anything indicative that these thoughts are ongoing?
I know the "I have a black friend" thing is basically a meme at this point but I mean he does seem to enjoy the company of black people and being so close to Usher makes me wonder if he still thinks saying these kind of things is funny. Hopefully he did change.
Using that kind of language is never OK but it was awhile back. Anything indicative that these thoughts are ongoing?
I know the "I have a black friend" thing is basically a meme at this point but I mean he does seem to enjoy the company of black people and being so close to Usher makes me wonder if he still thinks saying these kind of things is funny. Hopefully he did change.
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He's simply saying nigger didn't need to be censored in the thread title.
Take a breath people.
vas_a_morir
Banned
I don't think anybody is defending the content of the video. They are saying it's hard to hold the words of a 14 year old against an adult half a decade later. We have statutory rape laws because we have deemed 14 year olds too ignorant to make important life decisions. You could apply that same reasoning here. Just playing devil's advocate, though. I don't really have an opinion on it.
Why is everyone acting like a 14 year old holds the same mentality of someone in their 20s?
Who leaked this video? Justin did. At this point you guys are just being condescending. You should dislike what he said in the past; but if you are going to hold it against him now, when he is apologizing, demonstrate he actually hasn't learned anything from 10 years ago.
Unfortunately, Patrice O'Neal didn't have a monopoly on public opinion.
So they should be tried as adults why?
He was 14 years old and grew up in a small, overwhelmingly white town; it's not at all surprising that singing a song with this sort of content was considered harmless fun to him and his peers at the time.
Based on things he's said in later years, I am wiling to believe he was too dumb to not realize the weight of those lyrics at 14.
Based on things he's said in later years, I am wiling to believe he was too dumb to not realize the weight of those lyrics at 14.
I was talking about the thread title, please don't put words in my mouth.
People who will skip over words in songs or books because they're afraid of what will happen if they say the word are pathetic.
vas_a_morir
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For sure. In particular, his opinions on women. However, this is one point I agree with. I thought Michael Richards got flustered and went for the cruelest, hurtful thing he could say to the hecklers because he's a shitty comedian and didn't know how to deal with it. But, he goes out and says "i've had these feelings of hate that bubble up in me" and I'm like 'oh, I guess he is actually a racist."
Zoe
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I do think there is a completely different mentality required to make original racist statements rather than just parrot ones you've heard.
cobragt4001
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The black community won't be outraged because they have been beaten down mentally over the past decades so much to point were they would defend or make excuses for supremacist views or statements from people who don't like them. Bieber is a supremacist plan and simple and he learnt it from his environment, like a lot of Europeans, not all but seeing how people on this site and other sites try to defend his supremacist ways shows you that there are a lot of people with similar views that they don't want to share. Because Bieber has black friends means jack shit, why put your bullshit conviction over possible millions? And anyone saying get over it, nigger is just a word like faggot, stfu because the two words have a history that can't be compared.
vas_a_morir
Banned
He's Canadian, brah
Just wanted to make sure you're consistent regardless of the actions.
The law isn't consistent either.. murder is about the only thing a "child" can be tried as an adult for.
It's really not as good of an example as some of you think. Saying racist things is not very relatable to murder.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I got my cases mixed up, I was actually referring to the 13 year old boy who accidentally did a wrestling move and killed his sister (I linked it in a later post). Not the 15 year old boy who with premeditation beat up that girl, that boy also had a history of violence.
And no, my point is that this argument that "14 is too young" is arbitrary bullshit. Depending on what the situation is 14 is damn well old enough, and in Bieber's case he was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong. 11 is when people start developing their formal cognitive awareness and begin being able to reason about their thought processes and monitor them; they begin to formally understand the notion of consequences and ramifications of action.
Was? They have a falling out? I figure his decision to sign with Usher was motivated by money: bigger money, and the black demographic. He'd have had success even if he decided to go with Timberlake, but I don't think Timberlake holds as much clout with black audiences (read: black women) as Ursher.
It's plainly clear that Beebs isn't comfortable around Money and his clique. He's at least a little afraid of them.
You can't ignore the context though. How can he be expected to know it's wrong when he's surrounded and encouraged by ignorance? I guarantee you that there are people in Stratford who have never met a black person in their lives, let alone know much about the details surrounding their history. There wouldn't be any consequences or ramifications for uttering a racist joke or singing a racist song.
Oh I agree.
I think most people are just saying it's young enough to not really damn him for life, or that he should really face any consequences now. He should have known better, but taking into account where he grew up and how apparently trashy his parents were, he was at the very least disadvantaged as far as "knowing better."
But it's disgusting behavior that certainly shouldn't be passed off. I think it needs to be taken seriously as an example of a PART of SOME of "white culture" and really highlight that we might have even taken some steps BACKWARDS in the last 10 years or so with this type of racist joking/attitudes. But IMO it doesn't mean Bieber deserves dire consequences.. if he does face them, like a big loss of fans/money.. then so be it, and I won't shed a tear for him.. but to me the discussion should be more about "teenagers saying this shit and how it is more serious than just something to pass off" than "Justin Bieber needs to face consequences!"
I mean everyone here knows about Mark Whalberg right? That dude continued to be racist well past the age of 14.. actually assaulting people and leaving them with life-long injuries.. that tends to get passed off as a mis-spent youth, but Justin Bieber tells horrible jokes at 14, never assaults anyone, etc., and we are all supposed to condemn him for life?
EscoBlades
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The end. Dunno why anyone would try and defend him.
Undoubtedly. It's not necessarily a bad viewpoint. But it's uncommon, and Michael Richards was apologizing for the people who hold the opposite opinion. The majority, I'd imagine.
bishopcruz
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I think what some people don't understand is that those saying "He was only 14!" aren't defending what he said. It's more that yes, at that age, a fair number of kids say things for shock value and say them because they KNOW they are wrong. They say it because it makes them feel edgy, or powerful, or what have you. Kinda the same way a lot of younger kids love to swear, because they know they aren't supposed to.
Racial jokes and crap like this can seem harmless to a lot of people who don't deal with it on a regular basis, or ever. They don't GET the real nastiness of it, because quite simply they have never seen the actual effects it can have on people. Especially when you aren't surrounded by people with other word views. In that regard, 'Nigger' simply becomes another naughty word, and racist jokes are funny because they are 'wrong' and forbidden. I don't doubt he gained a much greater understanding of how bad what he said was once he actually dealt with black people on a regular basis. Is he a dumbass? Yes, but at least he seems to be doing the smart thing and getting out ahead of this by releasing the video itself.
So I give him props on that at least.
And I hate the kid...
Racial jokes and crap like this can seem harmless to a lot of people who don't deal with it on a regular basis, or ever. They don't GET the real nastiness of it, because quite simply they have never seen the actual effects it can have on people. Especially when you aren't surrounded by people with other word views. In that regard, 'Nigger' simply becomes another naughty word, and racist jokes are funny because they are 'wrong' and forbidden. I don't doubt he gained a much greater understanding of how bad what he said was once he actually dealt with black people on a regular basis. Is he a dumbass? Yes, but at least he seems to be doing the smart thing and getting out ahead of this by releasing the video itself.
So I give him props on that at least.
And I hate the kid...
This kinda makes it sound like there's a third video out there that was filmed later than the ones we've already seen. The ones we've seen didn't have anything about Jewish people in them.
...This thread has given me a headache. I didn't say racist/homophobic shit when I was 14 and no one I knew did either. The apology is good, but I'm always a bit wary when an apology comes out in a press release sent out by his people rather than from the person themselves.
cobragt4001
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He's European. Most Canadians are descendants of French who are European just like whites in America are Europeans as well.
Adults say things for shock value. Adults know these things are wrong. Adults like to feel edgy and powerful. Some adults don't deal with racism on a regular basis and some adults have never seen its actual effects.
Justin Bieber had the same intent and knowledge of a full grown, jackass adult.
ItAintEasy
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At first, my reaction was disgust at this video, but then I thought about it a bit more and realize that everyone does dumb shit when they are 14, but not all of us have our lives on tape almost 24/7. Just because he was young does not mean he gets to skate on these videos coming to the surface though.
I hope he will take this opportunity to talk about how it is wrong to use these words and that young kids should not use it as a joke and adults shouldn't use it in any context. Unfortunately, we are talking about Justin Bieber here and asking him to do anything is a joke.
I hope he will take this opportunity to talk about how it is wrong to use these words and that young kids should not use it as a joke and adults shouldn't use it in any context. Unfortunately, we are talking about Justin Bieber here and asking him to do anything is a joke.
To be clear, I wasn't comparing murder and making a racist "joke". Just the inconsistency some people have in regards to when someone is "too young and innocent" and when they are old enough to know better. In the example thread, there weren't too many posters arguing that those girls didn't know what they were doing/they shouldn't be tried as adults.
I see what you are saying.
I'm not sure how many people here actually said he didn't know any better either though, or shouldn't have/couldn't have known better.
As far as I can tell, most people bringing up his age are simply saying he shouldn't be damned for it, and that teenagers do stupid shit (despite knowing better.)
People are taking that as a defense of his action, which it really isn't.. it's a defense of what should happen to him now because of it.
Really makes you see this image differently now doesn't it?
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/justin-biebers-graffiti-crime/story?id=20816124
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/justin-biebers-graffiti-crime/story?id=20816124
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