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Justin Bieber, Skrillex Sued Over 'Sorry' Hook
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valkillmore
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Biebs channeling his inner Ray Parker Jr.
Oooh, interesting. It's not a direct sample from what I can tell - the amount of ouh's is different. But it sounds very similar, and it is pretty unique sounding.
I wonder, if someone hears that and thinks "that's a cool sound, but it would be better if it was changed like this and like that" is that infringing?
I wonder, if someone hears that and thinks "that's a cool sound, but it would be better if it was changed like this and like that" is that infringing?
From a legal perspective, iI don't it matters that much how similar they sound. What's important is whether Bieber and Skrillex heard "Ring the Bell" before they made "Sorry" and whether they specifically patterned their song after hers. And that's near impossible to do without one of the defendants rolling on the other, ala Robin Thicke in the "Blurred Lines" suit.
White Hinterland - Ring The Bell ( Skrillex & Justin Bieber Sorry it's a remix)
What's the story here?
On topic, that does sound like they sampled the opening 5 bars of that Ring the Bell song. I understand nothing about music infringement. How much can you borrow from another song or songs before its considered infringement?
TheOohChild
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It's only one extra ooh, so they could have just taken a second sample of the final ooh and used some kind of sustain effect to draw it out.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not only is the vocal sample mostly unchanged (we're talking Vanilla Ice "DUN-dun dun dun DA-DA-Dun Dun" levels of 'difference') but the structure of the song is pretty similar. Hinterlands is slower, and the drums are different, but the way the song jumps from that vocal sample to that similar-ish drum-pattern in contrast, and then builds back up from there...
Yeah, she's got a really good case to make that Skrillex heard this song, snagged the sample, and decided to improve the general idea of what Hinterland did before putting Bieber's voice on the top of it.
Yeah, she's got a really good case to make that Skrillex heard this song, snagged the sample, and decided to improve the general idea of what Hinterland did before putting Bieber's voice on the top of it.
ehh, It SOUNDS similar, like, the first few vocalizations sound basically the same, but then there's an extra bit on the end in Sorry and it drops off and does it again. I mean, I'm not remotely a musical expert so I can't use any proper terms for this shit, but like, if you listen to those side by side it's not possible to mistake one for the other beyond maybe half a second each time that sound is made.
If half of one vocalization that just happens to repeat a lot being the same is infringement, then sure I guess. I don't really know. If it's not then fuck it, they're definitely not 'exactly the same' like some people are saying.
Also, that song is fucking awful holy shit.
If half of one vocalization that just happens to repeat a lot being the same is infringement, then sure I guess. I don't really know. If it's not then fuck it, they're definitely not 'exactly the same' like some people are saying.
Also, that song is fucking awful holy shit.
The vocal sample is super similar. I was going to say that was the extent, but on ring the bell there's a really sparse synth that creeps in and out at some point too. A similar synth is present in sorry with almost the exact same execution in timing. Interesting.. This is definitely ripped off. There's a bunch of other similarities as well. You can find this in most songs, but this one is too on the nose
psynergylover
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first time actually watching the Sorry vid.......O_O!!! might need to watch that again,,,
OT: that women about to get paid! definitely stole her hook
OT: that women about to get paid! definitely stole her hook
ProfessorLobo
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You're talking about the less than one second clip that contains five high pitched notes?
Sounds extremely similar.
Are you saying that because it's not longer, that it can't sound identical? Not sure what length has anything to do with this.
Are you saying that because it's not longer, that it can't sound identical? Not sure what length has anything to do with this.
Leona Lewis
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By contrast, Beyonce has become so careful about this that she credited Animal Collective for the single phrase "material things":
Too bad she's not as vigilant when it comes to MV concepts
Too bad she's not as vigilant when it comes to MV concepts
VendettaRed07
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It's the fact that the progression is basically the same, just more uptempo combined with the fact that voice in the background does the same exact thing.
Had one or the other been in there I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But it seems like it was stolen.
Had one or the other been in there I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But it seems like it was stolen.
Bobby Roberts
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This seems pretty plausible, to me.
"Skrillex gave me a beat! It's fuckin cool!"
Skrillex getting that Bieber payday by trawling YouTube for a cool idea and lifting it, putting in like 8 hours work and then selling it.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yes. The "Hook" of the song. Everyone remembers the song for that "houhouhouhou" so it makes sense to sue for it and try to extract as much as you can.
radios shipping overview
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It's sampled from the beginning of "Ring the Bell" and reversed at the end so that one of the "oh"s at the end is played again in reverse. There's some harsh reverb and maybe a little chorusing added to it, but it's the same sample. The sample plays the same role throughout the song in "Sorry" as it does in "Ring the Bell." It's a significant usage and the original artist should be paid for it.
Two reasons. Robin Thicke and Mark Ronson. I'm suspecting she looked at those two cases closely and when she saw the defendants lost their cases she was inspired to go forward with the lawsuit.
Diprosalic
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sounds very different to me but i'm basically tone deaf.
I couldn't get through much more than a minute of it when I listened this morning. She has a terrible voice and was off key constantly. Super bizarre. There is merit for her lawsuit though -- the female hook is incredibly similar.
Oh yeah. The "Oohs" alone guaranteed her a case. It reminds me of how The Fugees used Enya's humming from Boadicea without her permission.
It's the exact same vocal, you can tell. Skrillex or whoever was producing it has just added a couple of effects to the sound and reversed the final "oh" at the end (something you can easily do in any DAW) which accounts for the extra part you can hear.
That's how it sounds to me anyways.
By contrast, Beyonce has become so careful about this that she credited Animal Collective for the single phrase "material things":
Too bad she's not as vigilant when it comes to MV concepts
:lol
CassidyIzABeast
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Open and shut case Johnson.
The fuck?
This really IS some serious Vanilla Ice shit.
"It's totally different! We changed one beat!" That's not freaking different!
Just_myles
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There is a legal precedent now so she has a case.
Bobby Roberts
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It's a direct sample.
Someone's probably gonna upload their video showing exactly how Skrillex did it in Ableton by the end of the day.
oh wtf I didn't know he changed his name
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