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Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (OT 2?)
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Dreams-Visions
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the more you listen, the more it will feel "just right". the long tracks and all take some getting used to. but once you do, you'll really love it.nib95 said:
let us know what you think when your play counts are around 15 for each song.
roosters93
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Oh that was a remix featuring Jay-Z. The normal version of Power is basically the same.nib95 said:
roosters93
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What's up with that shit near the end of Lost in the World? Sounds like a frog imo :lol
enzo_gt said:Kanye has heard our complaints about hard copy owners not having bonus tracks
His original acapella flows over the beat pretty well, though to be honest with a title like Chain Heavy, I expected a more gangster-type of a beat, not that this beat is bad or anything. It's pretty good.
I was thinking exactly this. I like the beat, it has a nice old school feel, but I was definitely expected more of a bass-heavy, So Appalled/Take One For The Team/Looking For Trouble type beat.
spermatic cord
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i wish fergie wasn't on all of the lights. she's like a huge shit stain on an otherwise warm white pair of hanes boxer briefs
Pinko Marx
Banned
I'm gunna have to echo some of the other posters in this thread, Kanye went too far out on this record, too features, too many unnecessary bells and whistles on songs. This record probably exemplifies what I feel is wrong with Kanye and why I'm not as big of a fan as I used to be. It seems like Kanye is just getting more and more eccentric with each album he puts out. Its like hes become too caught up in the persona that he created in the media, the big hot-shot genius producer. Its like hes trying to 1-up whatever came before each new album. Down to Earth Kanye (Dropout, LR) was best Kanye, when dude was just trying to make some damn good Hip-Hop. But now its like every album has to be some huge, monumental, genre-smashing, landmark moment or its not a Kanye record. AOTL is the perfect example for this, the song would have been JUST FINE with only Rhianna, but no, he went and added Fergie, Cudi, and Elton John into the song, when they add absolutely nothing. It just seems like he did it so he could say "Yeah, I got Fergie, Cudi, Rhianna, AND Elton John on a song. I did it because I'm Kanye and I can do stuff like that". Conway definitely needs some sort of reality check.
Oh, and I wanted to say these are my definitive top 5 songs from the album
1. Gorgeous - I'm a sucker for lyricism, and this is Kanye's best lyrical effort on the album, it's fantastic. Cudi's hook was solid, and Raekwon at the end was a treat. The production wasn't bad, either. It was great enough for me to ignore the distortion.
2. So Appalled - Best production on the album by far, and a well rounded bout of verses, none that were omgfuckingridiculous but as a collaboration it worked very well between the four people. Hook was nice. This is a song where I can overlook subject matter.
3. Blame Game - Okay, once I cut off the end, I loved this, second best production and great verses by Kanye. Heavily reminded me of CD-era Kanye, which was arguably his best.
4. Dark Fantasy - Incredible production, best hook on the album, and a good intro. Once I cut off the first 23 seconds the song was a great opening
5. Devil In A New Dress - Great production, great verses, great switch up at the end. If this didn't have Ross, it might be higher.
1. Gorgeous - I'm a sucker for lyricism, and this is Kanye's best lyrical effort on the album, it's fantastic. Cudi's hook was solid, and Raekwon at the end was a treat. The production wasn't bad, either. It was great enough for me to ignore the distortion.
2. So Appalled - Best production on the album by far, and a well rounded bout of verses, none that were omgfuckingridiculous but as a collaboration it worked very well between the four people. Hook was nice. This is a song where I can overlook subject matter.
3. Blame Game - Okay, once I cut off the end, I loved this, second best production and great verses by Kanye. Heavily reminded me of CD-era Kanye, which was arguably his best.
4. Dark Fantasy - Incredible production, best hook on the album, and a good intro. Once I cut off the first 23 seconds the song was a great opening
5. Devil In A New Dress - Great production, great verses, great switch up at the end. If this didn't have Ross, it might be higher.
....:lol at the album backlash, as if every single sung is like that...I can name three that feel overproduced - All of the Lights, Lost in the World (it's growing on me though), and maybe Monster. He is a good enough producer to incorporate different genres and a bunch of different artists. Kno's album bores me after a while. I don't see myself getting bored with Kanye's album ever.
Equus Bellator Apex
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Kanye was never down to earth.
The reason why he's been so successful as an artist is because he's self aware.
The reason why he's been so successful as an artist is because he's self aware.
This is the most rational explanation I think for why people have the problems with overproduction, but I still don't see it be, and I think it all boils down to a lot more of "we want college dropout & late registration beats!" If that was the case, the album would end up sounding too dated or not 'fresh' and you guys would complain regardless.Pinko Marx said:
Though I disagree with the bolded. I disliked CuDi at first but now love that part. And you can't seriously be hating on the Elton John part. Shit's awesome.
Pinko Marx
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HiResDes said:
Dark Fantasy - Would have been just fine with the "Can we get much higher" sample, but he felt the need to add some unknown vocalist to it, it messes up an otherwise perfect song.
And just because he is good enough doesn't me he ought to. You honestly can't tell me that AOTL is a better song because of Cudi and Elton John's...Verses? I dun even know what to call it. Elton John just screams and Cudi is being lame ass Cudi.
Net_Wrecker
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Pinko Marx said:
Dawgs, I agree completely. I couldn't put it into words, but I think this is my problem. The album is just too much IMO, in almost every category. At least 10 minutes, and 5 guest spots could've been cut to make it a more streamlined project.
HiResDes said:
And you did NOT just speak ill of Death Is Silent.
I will have your head for that.
Knux-Future
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This what happens to every new album from an artist that has a classic in their discography. Fans always them to make another album like their early ones. For example, Em tried to recreate his slim shady shit with relapse and people said he needed to grow up. He did with Recovery and now people want his old shit.
Jay-Z said it best, if you want " Hov on that new shit n-ggas like how come N-ggas want my old sh-t, buy my old album"
Jay-Z said it best, if you want " Hov on that new shit n-ggas like how come N-ggas want my old sh-t, buy my old album"
I love the rawness of that beat, its unmastered, unrefined and pure unfiltered bass. Chain Heavy is still a great song, I think it works, but the chorus/hook is a bit ehh on repeated listens.Bowser said:
I'm telling you right now, its better because of CuDi and especially Elton John's additions. And CuDi isn't really "being CuDi" whatever that means, cause he's never sounded like that ever before, really.Pinko Marx said:
I still don't know what backpack rapper means. Is that just Kanye's old style? If so, then I would agree somewhat. I wouldn't say he HAD to find a new space to evolve. Look at Nas, he's still doing his thing, and I don't see drastic evolution in Nas' career. It's like being the best at what you do, and Nas is the best at the rhymes he does.HiResDes said:
I think it's people's mindstate that Kanye HAD to be cemented in his TCD/LR ways for him to be forever successful. I think that's just ignorant, since Kanye has always been about doing something different and experimentation. Just because the experimentation lead to College Dropout sounding stuff when he did Late Registration, and the fact that those two are more similar than any of his other albums, people always want to classify THAT as classic Kanye, and any deviations of such are just his ego getting out of hand. And I certainly think that's not the case.
If Kanye was grounded and down to earth in TCD and LR, I don't think he would've named this album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy if Kanye was trying to tell us he's been grounded for this period in his life. It conveys itself effortlessly through the themes on the album.
QFT. This mentality plagues hip-hop fans.Knux-Future said:
spermatic cord
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Sorry, but hip hop is dead was pretty forgettable. Illmatic will continue to be his finest work. it's in my top 5 for sure. Stillmatic is the only other stuff I like from him
Net_Wrecker
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HiResDes said:
Nas doesn't stay in the media with off the wall comments, or actions like Kanye does so it's pretty obvious why he isn't as "relevant" as Kanye. 2 months from now, everyone will have moved on from this album as well, and forget about Kanye until he does something crazy, or preps another release. That's the way the 24 hour news cycle works.
Nas still gets tons of hype when he drops albums.
PhoenixDark
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Kinda wonder why Nas isn't on the album, given how much love he gets from Kanye. I'll probably expose my inner Nas fanboyism, but I wonder if Jay-Z had anything to do with it.
It's true he has many disappointing albums, and Illmatic is still his best...but I can't help but root for the guy while still constantly being disappointed. For all his knowledge dropping and shit, dude is millions of dollars in debt. Literally every big producer wants to work with him yet he sticks to some of the most average, boring producers. I don't get it.
It's true he has many disappointing albums, and Illmatic is still his best...but I can't help but root for the guy while still constantly being disappointed. For all his knowledge dropping and shit, dude is millions of dollars in debt. Literally every big producer wants to work with him yet he sticks to some of the most average, boring producers. I don't get it.
This never happened from TCD ---> Taylor Swift incident. Unless Ye pulls another stunt like that, best believe he's gonna make sure he's still out there. As soon as G.O.O.D. Fridays end, he's going to be finishing Watch The Throne. Watch the Throne is done? Tour + work on next album.Net_Wrecker said:
And I loved Hip Hop Is Dead, I don't get the hate. Is it for the same reason, that it's way too far out there from Nas' Illmatic style?
And generally I don't care how relevant someone is if they're putting out good music. Hell, AZ's The Format is my most played song on iTunes (with All of the Lights closing in :lol ). Aside from Distant Relatives (which was great), have we forgotten how badly Nas bodied Victory? Don't let the name DJ Khaled steer you away, Nas absolutely incinerated that track.
But alas, it is true, the general public especially doesn't give a shit about Nas. Weezy is the truth to them. Not that I don't like Weezy, but there was a point when I finally discovered "the other half" of hip-hop I've been missing out on, and it's shaped my view of hip-hop and rap quite a bit. This is why we all shake our heads on pop-rap, or bullshit like Wacka Flocka Flames.
Ye did tracks with Nas, no? They just probably didn't make the cut. Pretty sure they've all teased something special between Ye+Jay+Nas, that'll likely end up on Watch The Throne.PheonixDark said:
Net_Wrecker
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Do you people seriously believe Kanye would be as white hot as he is all the time without the George Bush comments, the Taylor Swift incident, the Grammy incidents, etc. etc. etc.? People don't stay focused on one single album, or artist anymore ALL THE TIME without controversy. When Jay-Z, or Eminem, or Lupe, or whoever else is coming out, this will be forgotten the same way Recovery, and The Blueprint 3 have.
Nas is still relevant when he's dropping music.
Nas is still relevant when he's dropping music.
KolosLazar16
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All of the Lights is SO fucking good
Net_Wrecker
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HiResDes said:
Was 808's not considered a dud by the majority of fans? Where's the talk about that? I think you give the attention span of the current era too much credit.
Dreams-Visions
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whatddya mean? will the bonus tracks be on CD as well?enzo_gt said:Kanye has heard our complaints about hard copy owners not having bonus tracks
Ken Masters
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why is the bit rate for these good Friday tracks now shit?
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