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[AlphaSnake]

WTF? Maybe heavy metal, but heavy metal mostly sucks. Real rock and roll is heavily inspired by the blues.

That's what I said in my post before. I said heavy rock, not rock n' roll. Metal in particular. And a lot of heavy metal rocks.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"That's what I said in my post before. I said heavy rock, not rock n' roll. Metal in particular. And a lot of heavy metal rocks."

That's major backpedalling, dude.

 

[Gek54]

How the hell was Korn ever considered Rap metal?

 

[Zep]

FUck Elvis, all he did was sample off of older "black" blues groups.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Damn, he likes Franz Ferdinand and SoaD? His opinion may be a bit ignorant, but his taste in music is superb.

 

[sans_pants]

Damn, he likes Franz Ferdinand and SoaD? His opinion may be a bit ignorant, but his taste in music is superb.

to bad soad sucks

 

[MaverickX9]

FUck Elvis, all he did was sample off of older "black" blues groups.

Yeah, right.

That seems to be the common reaction from today's music goers because of the ignorance of a certain few rap/hip hop artists. These are the same people that are fed the commercialized Elvis Presley image and music like Love Me Tender and All Shook Up.

Listen to the original, blues versions of songs like That's All Right, Milkcow Blues Boogie, Good Rockin' Tonight, Baby Let's Play House ... basically anything off of the Sun Sessions discs ... and the listen to Elvis' versions. You'll see exactly why Elvis was so revolutionary.

He didn't just cover songs - he remade them into something completely different.

Today, Elvis is an image. Elvis Presley Enterprises has completely detached music from the Elvis name - and that is sad considering his early music is some of the greatest rock and roll ever put on record.

 

[Shinobi]

My interpretation of what Kanye said is that white people should quit sounding like wiggers in music, and simply sound like themselves, which I don't think is any different then saying a white person should quit acting like a wigger in real life (few character types have been more heavily mocked on this board). Having said that, if a white chick can belt out a long high note like Aretha Franklin (Christina Aguleira comes to mind), I can't say that's ever bothered me. But he's not saying Eminem shouldn't rap...Christ, he's at the top of his list of artists he'd love to work with. Those who hate Kanye anyhow are only reading what he said a certain way, which is par for the course on this bullshit forum.

I must not be very familiar with older music. How do rock and metal sound black? Which black bands and whatnot were the inspiration for modern rock and metal?

Do a quick search for the people that influenced two of the biggest rock acts in history, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones. Hell, look at the artists Zepp either covered or heavily borrowed songs and lyrics from.

 

[RonaldoSan]

This is not his first stupid comment. I read somewhere that Kanye don't think that white people are allowed to use slang until it's old.

Who the hell is this punk telling anybody what they should do? He sees himself as some black culture keeper or something. This kid has never suffered from anything. He crashed his Lexus and all of the sudden Jesus walks with him.

Whatever. He doesn't have anything against white people when they buy his cd or tickets for his show.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Argh, you're reading too much into what he said.

If some racist asshat of a different hue said it, we'd get a weepy thread from you about how America breeds imperialist racist strormtroopers.

 

[soakrates]

Heavy metal is a sub-genre of rock music. Therefore, it too owes a lot to the so-called "black" forms. Yes, lots of metal is classically influenced, but there's plenty else that isn't. Metal borrows from virtually everywhere, anyway -- be it classical, jazz, folk, industrial or even polka. So other than rock, its forebears and to some extent early punk, it's pretty much impossible to pick one style that's had as much of a direct influence on metal.

 

[Diablos]

If some racist asshat of a different hue said it, we'd get a weepy thread from you about how America breeds imperialist racist strormtroopers.

DIABLOWS OWNED!

APPARENTLY I CARED TOO MUCH AND KNEW TOO LITTLE TO DEAL WITH THIS THREAD! MUSASHI WINS!

 

[Zeo]

:lol He's kind of right though. Who wants to see another Linkin Park? :gag

1 THING
I DONT NOE WHY
IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER HOW HARD U TRY.

^

I guess you forgot about that?

Holy shit are you an idiot.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Thread title is misleading. And I think that quote is out of context. But...yeah...I can't defend him on that one anyway. The whole "sounding black" thing always bugged me. Some of the whitest whiteboys are true hip-hop heads. It's not about skin color or anything. You like what you like, you sing what you sing. That's all there is to it IMO. PEACE.

 

[karasu]

My interpretation of what Kanye said is that white people should quit sounding like wiggers in music, and simply sound like themselves, which I don't think is any different then saying a white person should quit acting like a wigger in real life (few character types have been more heavily mocked on this board). Having said that, if a white chick can belt out a long high note like Aretha Franklin (Christina Aguleira comes to mind), I can't say that's ever bothered me. But he's not saying Eminem shouldn't rap...Christ, he's at the top of his list of artists he'd love to work with. Those who hate Kanye anyhow are only reading what he said a certain way, which is par for the course on this bullshit forum.

But he still has a song wth Paul Wall, who is you know, a "Wigger". If you grow up in the ghetto, you sound like you're from the ghetto. Your skin has nothing to do with it. Anyway when he says 'they should stick to what they do best' he can't be talking about your daily "wigga's". Speaking for myself, I don't hate Kanye because I read what he says with some kind of preconcieved negative slant. I "hate him" because he's a moron and proves iot every other week. Simple and dry.

 

[Particle Physicist]

i hate people that cant seem to differentiate between having a cultural identity.. and segregation. kanye really needs to shut up.

 

[Boogie]

Those who hate Kanye anyhow are only reading what he said a certain way, which is par for the course on this bullshit forum.

Those who admire and defend Kanye anyhow are only reading what he said a certain way, which is par for the course on this bullshit forum.

 

[sans_pants]

i hated kayne when i heard about his second cd.


he took the college dropout thing a bit far imo

 

[Shinobi]

Those who admire and defend Kanye anyhow are only reading what he said a certain way, which is par for the course on this bullshit forum.

Shit, admire is a bit strong...I like the guy as an artist, but think he's a bit overrated. Most of my musical praise these days goes to U2 or the Stones or Rush or Floyd or Zepp. I'll always defend what he said regarding Bush though. Meanwhile the ones who hate Kanye make that pretty clear.

Again, if Kanye said white people shouldn't do black music, he wouldn't say he wants to work with Eminem. It isn't like he needs to.

 

[Particle Physicist]

FUck Elvis, all he did was sample off of older "black" blues groups.

so.. hows that any different than hip hop today?

or were you being sarcastic?

 

[sans_pants]

Shit, admire is a bit strong...I like the guy as an artist, but think he's a bit overrated. Most of my musical praise these days goes to U2 or the Stones or Rush or Floyd or Zepp. I'll always defend what he said regarding Bush though. Meanwhile the ones who hate Kanye make that pretty clear.

Again, if Kanye said white people shouldn't do black music, he wouldn't say he wants to work with Eminem. It isn't like he needs to.

o you are one of those that really take the whole bush thing seriously

 

[swoon]

Yeah, right.

That seems to be the common reaction from today's music goers because of the ignorance of a certain few rap/hip hop artists. These are the same people that are fed the commercialized Elvis Presley image and music like Love Me Tender and All Shook Up.

Listen to the original, blues versions of songs like That's All Right, Milkcow Blues Boogie, Good Rockin' Tonight, Baby Let's Play House ... basically anything off of the Sun Sessions discs ... and the listen to Elvis' versions. You'll see exactly why Elvis was so revolutionary.

He didn't just cover songs - he remade them into something completely different.

i mean. his mid-period stuff is even better. outside of a few early songs he doesn't rip off many blues artists anyway.

 

[Bishman]

"1 THING
I DONT NOE WHY
IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER HOW HARD U TRY."


ZOMG LIKE IF U TRY AND RYHME UR CONSIDERED RAPPING!? :lol :lol

Mike Shinoda's is a great rapper, and I like his style. Fort Minor is going to be great. Check out "Remember the name".

 

[Groder Mullet]

I can only imagine the response some of you would have if Bon Jovi said blacks should only rap and nothing else.....

 

[Particle Physicist]

I can only imagine the response some of you would have if Bon Jovi said blacks should only rap and nothing else.....

yeah. seriously. can you imagine him saying something like,


"I hate music where black people are trying to sound white. The black music I like is black.

"I like JayZ. He's cool"

 

[Matlock]

Okay, I'm done postcounting+1'ing this thread for now, time for business.

Black people who say that white people should act "white" both amazes and confuses me. You turn it around and say that black people should act "black" and it's suddenly racist. And why is that? Because people pidgeonhole their individualism to the point where people view them as the sum of stereotypes.

Don't give me shit that "growing up in crime" gives you the exclusive right to act like you do. Don't give me shit that years of oppression give you the exclusive right to spew audio and walk in your own certain way.

You want to talk "gangsta?" Italians did years ago, and they were able to make good music while lacking the victim complex that would have had them whining when the Polish started singing like them.

You want to talk "oppressed?" Look at the Irish, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Hispanics EVEN TODAY. Every culture's been treated like shit by another culture. It sucks, but it's true.

If you feel that white people should act "white," then listen closely. Take your head out of your ass, stop perpetuating the pandemic personal fable and victim complex that your community keeps pushing, and let whoever talk whatever talk and walk whatever walk they want. I'm not talking about being racist, but rather allowing white people to act "black," as it were.

Now, I'm not saying that people should stop acting the way they do, nor am I condoning racism, but fuck you all whether you be white, black, yellow, red, grey, or brown if you think you can carte blanche disqualify this individualistic snowflake from acting a certain way because it overlaps your protected stereotype.

 

[Shinobi]

o you are one of those that really take the whole bush thing seriously

Nope...but I understood why he said it, cause I felt the same anger that week and would've loved to have said something similiar in a public forum to get shit moving.

 

[sans_pants]

Nope...but I understood why he said it, cause I felt the same anger that week and would've loved to have said something similiar in a public forum to get shit moving.

even if it was at a very tasteless time?

 

[Shinobi]

Tasteless was seeing thousands of people being left stranded for three days in those disgusting conditions. Kanye's response was merely slightly uncomfortable in comparison.

 

[Matlock]

Tasteless was seeing thousands of people being left stranded for three days in those disgusting conditions. Kanye's response was merely slightly uncomfortable in comparison.

I couldn't have put it in perspective any better.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I think Kanye has been reading too much of Mos Def's book on race relations.

 

[Yamauchi]

I like how people connect rock to blues. They are possibly the two worst genres of music in history, and yet pegging a genre to the one it evolved from is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It's like saying traditional Cambodian music isn't really Cambodian because it is heavily influenced by ancient Indian music, or Balinese music isn't Balinese because it actually came from Java. People are mostly morons, though, so this shouldn't surprise me.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Well, this just makes me feel better about my position. I'm white, and I feel that blacks just don't like me/distrust me becuase of my skin color.

Everytime I think i'm crazy for thinking that way, someone says something that screams;

"Stupid ass white people"(Actually said to me, face to face. Nice)

 

[3kuSaS]

...rock to blues. They are possibly the two worst genres of music in history

Umm...what?

I agree with the rest of your post though.

 

[ChronoMagnus]

This may be a little off topic, but wasnt the guitar; a major conponent of all types of rock music invented by the spaniards?

 

[AlphaSnake]

"That's what I said in my post before. I said heavy rock, not rock n' roll. Metal in particular. And a lot of heavy metal rocks."

That's major backpedalling, dude.

How is backpedaling if it was my point from the start? I reiterated heavy rock, not rock n' roll. Even I'll be the first to tell you that rock n' roll was a by-product of jazz/blues.

 

[littlewig]

Who the hell is Kanye West?

 

[saelz8]

 

[DCharlie]

"Come on, samples are his life, and he wouldn't clear the use for the single he released?"

oh - you'd be surprised.

 

[Matlock]

oh - you'd be surprised.

Point in case, Ice, Ice Baby.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Sevendust too is another rock band with a black singer.

 

[Callo Merlose]

Enya is black music!?!

Enya is that popular now? THROWNED.

 

[Prince]

haha and Paul Wall even has a track about Blackplanet and shit, Kanye either has no control over his own songs or he is just fucking crazy (the latter i presume).

 

[Diablos]

haha

 

[FightyF]

I wholeheartedly agree with Kanye. People should stick with their strengths, and stop trying to cash in on other cultures whenever they start becoming pop culture.

The lot of you are fucking idiots to interpret it otherwise. Let's see YOUR music?

 

[Gek54]

If cultures never adopted characteristics from other cultures where hell would we be today? If an artist wants to explore different styles who the hell is Kanye to say an artist shouldnt?

Kanye is a good at being a dumbass but I would for a minute say he should stick to just what he is good at.

 

[littlewig]

I wholeheartedly agree with Kanye. People should stick with their strengths, and stop trying to cash in on other cultures whenever they start becoming pop culture.

The lot of you are fucking idiots to interpret it otherwise. Let's see YOUR music?

Do you also support segregation like Kanye? Oh

 

[Diablos]

No. Different kinds of music is awesome. Kanye is saying people like Kid Rock and Fred Durst need to stop acting like they're from the hood. All of these guys are something they aren't.

 

[tmdorsey]

Yeah I can't believe he would make a comment like that when he has a song with Paul Wall. Also I wouldn't call Paul Wall a "wigger", I think he's a representation of the enviroment he grew up and lived in.

 

[Az987]

Maybe Kanye should stop dressing like a 40 year old white man then ?