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[Escape Goat]

Why do we even need Talia? We just had a movie with Ras in it.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Perhaps she comes looking for Batman for a little revenge. But yeah, I doubt we'll see Talia in the sequel. It's going to be focused on the Joker, and my guess is we're not going to be seeing multiple villans as in the old movies.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Damn, shouldnt have read that last sentence, haven't seen it yet.

uh...no one's seen the next movie yet. (they were talking about Batman...ah...2? 6? Begins Again? whatever, the next film.)

 

[whytemyke]

Just cast BRITTANY MURPHY!!! :lol (I'm laughing because everyone here knows that she'll get a serious look)

Actual women I'd like to see in the movie? Kate Winslet could be cool. Kate Beckinsale is gorgeous. Keira Knightley would be interesting, but probably far too young. If she could pull off an older woman, it'd be interesting.

seriously, though, I'd like to see Denzel get a try at Dent. He's got the on-screen charisma to pull off a character like that, and he's OBVIOUSLY got the talent to be a ruthless badguy once the time comes. Or how about Laurence Fishbourne? If you don't mind seeing a white guy, how about Clive Owen? He could be REALLY cool in that setting if given a chance.

How about Joker? Honestly, I think Jim Carey could be an awesome joker, but his appearance in a former Batman movie precludes him from doing anything in these ones. Jude Law may be a really cool choice, but they'd have to fuck him up so his face doesn't get more press than his role does. You've gotta have someone that's deadly serious...that's what makes joker so awesome. You know who'd be AWESOME, but they'd never get? Sean Penn. It'd be sweet to see him try something like this. I also liked it when someone mentioned Adrien Brody for the role, too.

 

[Manders]

i could see jude law as the joker. but that two face dude wasn't black. they woudl have a hard time with the makeup i'm sure.

 

[Escape Goat]

Brittany Murphy as Harley Quinn...hmmmm...

 

[Socreges]

How about people that we barely know, provided they can act very well and fit the role? I like that the villains weren't major celebrities in Begins.

 

[Bauer Action Hour]

seriously, though, I'd like to see Denzel get a try at Dent. He's got the on-screen charisma to pull off a character like that, and he's OBVIOUSLY got the talent to be a ruthless badguy once the time comes. Or how about Laurence Fishbourne? If you don't mind seeing a white guy, how about Clive Owen? He could be REALLY cool in that setting if given a chance.

You've gotta have someone that's deadly serious...that's what makes joker so awesome. You know who'd be AWESOME, but they'd never get? Sean Penn. It'd be sweet to see him try something like this. I also liked it when someone mentioned Adrien Brody for the role, too.

These are all awesome choices, especially Penn. His manic, yet intense acting style and anxious laughter would make him a perfect Joker.

 

[ManaByte]

Brittany Murphy as Harley Quinn...hmmmm...

They won't have Harley Quinn in the second movie. They're basing it off the comics, not the animated series.

 

[shpankey]

Cate Blanchett people... she's perfect for the role.

And I like that Adrien Brody idea. Him or Andy Serkus would be awesome as Joker.

 

[silenttwn]

They won't have Harley Quinn in the second movie. They're basing it off the comics, not the animated series.

I thought Harley Quinn later became adopted in the comics because she kicked so much ass in the animated series.

 

[ManaByte]

I thought Harley Quinn later became adopted in the comics because she kicked so much ass in the animated series.

She's still a creation of the animated series. They're not going to slap Quinn into the second Batman movie.

 

[Rlan]

Quinn did get added into the comics later on because she became a fan favourite.

If anything, Quinnw ould be in the THIRD movie, becoming infatuated with Joker as she's one of the guards or therapists at Arkum. She'd probably help joker escape if they intend the movie to be Batman Vs. Two-Face Vs. Joker.

 

[Fuzzy]

"Why would Warner Bros. diss an actress's performance in a movie that's still fricken' playing in theaters? Seems a little counter-productive."

Because nobody read this shit but us.

I've heard the quote on the news.

Damn, now she will never make enough money to get those teeth fixed. Not that that it would help much. The simple fact that Tom Cruise picked her out of millions of other attractive women to "fall in love with" is all the proof I need that hes gay.

What about the $5 million that she's getting for 5 years from Cruise? :lol

 

[Odnetnin]

THEY HAVE NEVER KEPT A FEMALE LEAD IN THIS SERIES


NOT ONE

You guys are hatin'

 

[ManaByte]

Quinn did get added into the comics later on because she became a fan favourite.

If anything, Quinnw ould be in the THIRD movie, becoming infatuated with Joker as she's one of the guards or therapists at Arkum. She'd probably help joker escape if they intend the movie to be Batman Vs. Two-Face Vs. Joker.

Quinn will only be in the third movie if WB decides they have to bring in the teenage goth girl demographic.

 

[Escape Goat]

They won't have Harley Quinn in the second movie. They're basing it off the comics, not the animated series.

Harley Quinn is in the comics now...which several people have already stated. Doh.

 

[ManaByte]

Harley Quinn is in the comics now...which several people have already stated. Doh.

Yes, but being a creation of the animated series she isn't a character the majority of people going to see the movie will know. She's too much of a hardcore fanservice character.

If they were making the Batman movie for the hardcore fans who read the comics every week, they'd have Harley Quinn in the first scene disguised as an Arkham nurse breaking Joker out of the Asylum. The movie would have Nightwing and Oracle in it and they'd base it around Tim Drake becoming the next Robin with a reluctant Batman not wanting him to be Robin after the death of Jason Todd while the Joker breaks the entire rogues gallery out of Arkham to torment Batman.

But they aren't making the movie for those people so Harley Quinn won't be in any of the three Goyer/Nolan movies.

 

[Escape Goat]

:lol

I didn't know you were writing the next movie, Mana.

 

[Gribbix]

Yes, but being a creation of the animated series she isn't a character the majority of people going to see the movie will know. She's too much of a hardcore fanservice character.

I seriously doubt that most people who saw Batman Begins had heard of Ra's Al Ghul before.

 

[ManaByte]

I seriously doubt that most people who saw Batman Begins had heard of Ra's Al Ghul before.

Ra's has been in the Batman mythos a lot longer than the 10-15 years Harley Quinn has been around.

It's like if they slapped shitty Azrael in there.

As bad as Az-Bat was, he did clearly show how Batman wasn't the serial killer he was in Burton's movies - especially how pissed Bruce got at him for being so brutal.

 

[Gribbix]

Ra's has been in the Batman mythos a lot longer than the 10-15 years Harley Quinn has been around.

True, but the fact is that the only Batman characters the average movie-goer will know of or recognize are those from the 60's tv series.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

with that

Spoiler

calling card for the joker at the end, didn't batman make the joker? I thought jack napier just carried a pack of cards with him. was that just the movie adaptation?

 

[Fuzzy]

True, but the fact is that the only Batman characters the average movie-goer will know of or recognize are those from the 60's tv series.

Exactly, but you can also add the last few villains in the previous movies.

 

[ManaByte]

with that

Spoiler

calling card for the joker at the end, didn't batman make the joker? I thought jack napier just carried a pack of cards with him. was that just the movie adaptation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_(comics)

The definitive origin and actual name for the character was never established in the comics (although some people now assume his real name is Jack Napier as in the 1989 Batman movie). In a 1951 story an origin was told in which he was originally a criminal who called himself the "Red Hood". In an encounter with Batman, he jumped into a pool of chemicals to escape pursuit, and this permanently dyed his skin white and his hair green, giving him the appearance of a ghastly clown. (In the light of later developments, it's worth noting that even in this story, the only source of information about who the Joker was before his fateful run-in with Batman is the Joker's own recollection)

This origin was greatly expanded upon in the 1988 graphic novel, Batman: The Killing Joke written by Alan Moore. In that story, the Joker was an unnamed engineer who quit his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agreed to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police came and informed him that his wife had just died in a household accident. Grief-stricken, the engineer tried to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-armed him into keeping his commitment to them.

At the plant, the criminals made him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this was simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blundered into security personnel and a violent shootout and chase ensued. The criminals were gunned down and the engineer found himself confronted by Batman, who was investigating the disturbance.

In panicked desperation, the engineer escaped by diving into a toxic waste vat and swam through a pipe leading to the outside. Once there, he discovered, to his horror, that the chemicals permanently stained his appearance into that of a clown-like being with chalk white skin, ruby red lips and bright green hair. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, caused him to go completely insane and resulted in the birth of the Joker.

In a recent comic book (Batman: Gotham Knights #54 - 2004), it was heavily implied that much of the above origin was in fact true, with details of it being backed up by a witness to the death of the Joker's wife. In this version, however, his wife was kidnapped and murdered by those same gangsters, in order to force his cooperation in the Red Hood robbery. The witness was none other than Edward Nigma, who would eventually become the Riddler. Whether this revised origin is an improvement is a subject of debate.

In the short story "On a Beautiful Summer's Day, He Was" by Robert McCammon, featured in the anthology The Further Adventures of the Joker, the Joker is suggested to have been born a monster, not made one by bad luck. The story concerns him as a young boy who gets pleasure from killing small animals, considered the hallmark sign of a budding sociopath, and collecting their bones. The story notes that his father is also insane and, in a chilling scene, beats his mother while the boy listens through the wall, grinning. The end of the story has him graduating to murder, killing a neighborhood boy who discovers his makeshift graveyard. The story identifies the Joker's last name as Napier.

In "Best of All," another story in the anthology, the Joker murdered his abusive father as a child. His mother was revealed to be Batman's old friend and confidant Leslie Thompkins, which he revealed to Batman to torment him.

Any recountings of the Joker's origin are largely unreliable, however, as they are taken directly from his own memories, and as he himself puts it in The Killing Joke, "I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, it might as well be multiple choice!"

 

[border]

What's this about not being able to include Harley Quinn? It's not like the frickin' Scarecrow OR R'as Al Guhl were high profile Batman villains, and Nolan put them in the film that would make or break the franchise. I seriously doubt he cares that much about where the characters got their start or how well known they are.....and why would the studio care about a 2nd string hench-woman so long as the film has two heavy hitters backing it up?

Harley Quinn would make a nice addition to the third movie, since her interactions with the Joker would let him show off his more charismatic side and their relationship would give him a decent way to escape from Arkham.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

I find it odd that people are so against Holmes, and have to wonder if this is more a reaction to her Cruise/Scientology developments than her performance in the movie. That a lot of people are laying their unhappiness of the promotion of the movie on her shoulders, even linking the lack of Bale promoting, seems to corroborate this. She's only one of a myriad of recognisable supporting actors and not the main star.

The only miscasting was Liam Nesson. That was a mistake, the language of which is already treading dangerously close to Star Wars territory anyway, when they knew they'd be competiting against the lastest Star Wars. Almost all the problems I have with the film revolve around Nesson. He could have at least tried not to just repeat his Star Wars character.

Bale was good. Oldman and Murphy were great. Caine, Freeman and Holmes did a serviceable, as far as their characters would allow.

I'm also suprised that people think this will be good for the quality of the films, dumping a character who was meant to form an arch through the sequels due to external reasons.

 

[Bowser]

I find it odd that people are so against Holmes, and have to wonder if this is more a reaction to her Cruise/Scientology developments than her performance in the movie. That a lot of people are laying their unhappiness of the promotion of the movie on her shoulders, even linking the lack of Bale promoting, seems to corroborate this. She's only one of a myriad of recognisable supporting actors and not the main star.

The only miscasting was Liam Nesson. That was a mistake, the language of which is already treading dangerously close to Star Wars territory anyway, when they knew they'd be competiting against the lastest Star Wars. Almost all the problems I have with the film revolve around Nesson. He could have at least tried not to just repeat his Star Wars character.

Bale was good. Oldman and Murphy were great. Caine, Freeman and Holmes did a serviceable, as far as their characters would allow.

I'm also suprised that people think this will be good for the quality of the films, dumping a character who was meant to form an arch through the sequels due to external reasons.

You didn't like Neeson's role?!?

I thought he and Bale were perfect.

 

[sans_pants]

I find it odd that people are so against Holmes, and have to wonder if this is more a reaction to her Cruise/Scientology developments than her performance in the movie. That a lot of people are laying their unhappiness of the promotion of the movie on her shoulders, even linking the lack of Bale promoting, seems to corroborate this. She's only one of a myriad of recognisable supporting actors and not the main star.

The only miscasting was Liam Nesson. That was a mistake, the language of which is already treading dangerously close to Star Wars territory anyway, when they knew they'd be competiting against the lastest Star Wars. Almost all the problems I have with the film revolve around Nesson. He could have at least tried not to just repeat his Star Wars character.

Bale was good. Oldman and Murphy were great. Caine, Freeman and Holmes did a serviceable, as far as their characters would allow.

I'm also suprised that people think this will be good for the quality of the films, dumping a character who was meant to form an arch through the sequels due to external reasons.

he did the mentor thing for like 5 minutes


your point sucks

 

[Rlan]

Have any of the other main characters of Batman Begins done their Late night rounds yet? I haven't seen any torrents for Letterman, Leno or O'Brian with them in it

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

Not really. On a broader more writing based note, his character was related to what I thought was the weakest plot strand in the movie.

Spoiler

The league of Shadows stuff was unnecessarily cheesy. Especially towards the end with the whole, we brought down Rome, started the Black Plague etc bit. Then overemphasising the rather tenous link between them causing the Gotham Depression, leading to Bruce's parents death was really forced. For a movie that for the most part maintain a consistant and well-executed serious tone, this was teenage fan-fiction bad. It's almost on par with Spiderman's two machine that creates mini-Suns.

On Neeson's actual performance, with the mentor stuff he was pretty much phoning in a fascimile of Qi-gon, and was totally flat and unconvincing when you realise that he's really just a self-righteous nihilist.

The only other thing that I felt let it down was they went a bit overboard with later drug trips. The monstrous Batman was the worst, but the flaming breath horse and red glowy eyed flying bat were also pretty bad. The earlier stuff with the shaky camera and booming voices was just as effective. I felt this was a situation where CG should have been spurned in favour of clever direction and suggestion to the imagination.

As for Holmes/Rachel, I came out feeling pleasantly suprised at how well the love interest angle was used in the film, and I think she was as essential a character in shaping Batman as Neeson's was. If Ra gave Bruce direction and motivation then it was Rachel's influence that stopped Bruce Wayne from following entirely in his footsteps.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nolan took a cue from Burton and made Commissioner Loeb black in Begins.

 

[Willco]

I hope Die Squirrel Die never makes a Batman film

 

[LakeEarth]

Spoiler

The only other thing that I felt let it down was they went a bit overboard with later drug trips. The monstrous Batman was the worst, but the flaming breath horse and red glowy eyed flying bat were also pretty bad. The earlier stuff with the shaky camera and booming voices was just as effective. I felt this was a situation where CG should have been spurned in favour of clever direction and suggestion to the imagination.

Haha, those were 99% of people's favourite parts.

 

[Particle Physicist]

THEY HAVE NEVER KEPT A FEMALE LEAD IN THIS SERIES


NOT ONE

You guys are hatin'

i'd like to point out that there is only one movie in this series so far. so there isnt a precedence, and if you think that she wont make it into the next movie cause of the previous batmans, then i pity the fool.

 

[ManaByte]

I hope Die Squirrel Die never makes a Batman film

I think he's already made two...

 

[whytemyke]

I've seen the movie twice, adn some of the things that stood out to me in the second one were how cool the drugged-lookin batman was, and also I thought, after the second time through, that Caine was EASILY the best actor in the movie. Everything he did really made you not just appreciate the character... but care for him, too. He did an amazing job of showing how integral he was to Bruce's life, and every scene that called for it, he was awesome. Best supporting actor of the year thus far-- no joke. That scene where they're going up the stairs, and Bruce snaps at him, "Why do you even care about this place?" and Alfred just retorts, "Because a great man once entrusted me to take care of the thing that meant the most to him in the whole world!"

awesome shit. Caine was the equivalent of the 'things you dont count on paper' of a movie. You can't really sit and say what he did and didn't do well, but you know that without him in the movie, it would have suffered greatly.

 

[ManaByte]

:lol

I didn't know you were writing the next movie, Mana.

I was just trying to point out how THAT would be the type of movie they would do if they were making one for the super hardcore fans who read the comics every month. They could combine Knightfall and the rise of the Tim Drake Robin and do a trilogy, but it'd cost way too much money and alienate everyone but the hardest core fans. Instead of bringing in Az-Bat for the second movie; they could use Robin, Nightwing, and Oracle. The third movie in the trilogy could be Bats and those three cleaning up the mess.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Animated series

Eh? He's not black in those pictures....

 

[hXc_thugg]

Eh? He's not black in those pictures....

That's because he's not black.

 

[Marty Chinn]

That's because he's not black.

Tell that to him =)

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

What about Hugo Weaving as Joker?

Guess what Hugo's starring in right now...

As V.

 

[hXc_thugg]

Guess what Hugo's starring in right now...

As V.

Yaahhh. That movie is going to be shite.

 

[maharg]

I for one do not want to see Scarlett as the love interret in the next Batman. Don't get me wrong, I think she is hot, and a better acctress than Katie Holmes, but she is far too young for Bruce Wayne. She's four or five years younger than Holmes. We need someone who is older and can match the rest of the cast in their acting chops.

If she's not too young for Bill Murray, there's no fucking way she's too young for Christian Bale.

Also :lol at thinking that Ra's is at all recognizable as a batman villain to non-fans.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Yaahhh. That movie is going to be shite.

But it's from the creators of the Matrix trilogy!!!

I just pointed that out since the V mask and Joker's psychotic grin bear close resemblance.

 

[Brian Fellows]

What about Hugo Weaving as Joker?

What are those pictures from?

 

[hXc_thugg]

But it's from the creators of the Matrix trilogy!!!

I just pointed that out since the V mask and Joker's psychotic grin bear close resemblance.

Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot. I see no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ManaByte]

What are those pictures from?

Alex Ross art.

 

[Forgotten_Taco]

But it's from the creators of the Matrix trilogy!!!

I like Alan Moore better.

 

[Error]

Crispin Glover - Joker

Guy Pearce - Harvey Dent/Two Face