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Keep Assad in power to defeat Isis in Syria, says former UK military chief

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I'm sure that the populace will accept the man who is responsible for the vast majority of civilian casualties, who's been gassing his own population and running industrial torture facilities, with open arms.

many of the people fighting Assad are batshit insane, if the syrian goverment collapses they are the ones that are going to take over , like in Libya.

This implies that the current government hasn't already lost the ability to exert political control over the country. The situation in Syria is leagues worse than the one in Libya.
 

G.O.O.

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Assad is by far the biggest cause of death in his own country, which also makes him responsible for the refugee crisis and a walking advertisement for ISIS. Keeping him won't stop the war, it will fuel it.
 

jerry1594

Member
What a complete clusterfuck. I'm assuming there were no intellectuals who could be opposition to Assad, since he threw them all in jail or killed them?
 

ShutEye

Member
There will be another civil war right after this one ends if Assad stays in power. He's constantly bombed hospitals just to punish civilians, the people left in Syria have nothing but hatred for Assad and want to see him dead more than anything else.

On point.

Sunnis will not accept Assad in power. ISIL defeat would be temporary at best and the organization would morph into something else.

To be frank I think the middle east will continuously produce terror groups unless you get major political reform in both Saudi and Iran.
So get ready for 20 more years of this shit
 

Davilmar

Member
Of course he was. The game the US has been playing in Syria while pretending to be backing 'moderate' rebels has been disgusting. Their only interest in the region is to topple Assad, they don't give a fuck about anything else happening there.

As if Putin cares? You are right that the U.S. played a nasty game and got burned, but to suggest that Putin was concerned about anything aside from supporting his partner is a crock of shit. He doesn't give a damn more about the people dying in Syria than the U.S.
 
No. The Assad family are a horrible cold blooded killers, whom for decades, have mercilessly murdered, tortured, and jailed dissidents, who disagreed with them. Let´s not forget that the beginning of the Syrian war, people were protesting peacefully and they were being killed in cold blood. The guy and his family are lunatic murderers.
 
No. The Assad family are a horrible cold blooded killers, whom for decades, have mercilessly murdered, tortured, and jailed dissidents, who disagreed with them. Let´s not forget that the beginning of the Syrian war, people were protesting peacefully and they were being killed in cold blood. The guy and his family are lunatic murderers.

For a senior British military officer the choice between lunatic killers who want to kill shia in Syria and lunatic killers who want to kill everyone is very simple. It's his duty to protect British citizens and that is accomplished more by Assad winning then ISIS winning. The politicians can delve into hand-wringing who is the most morally repugnant and make grand, hollow statements like 'the world should unite' and 'this violence will not stand'.
 

Clefargle

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Yeah, unfortunately it looks to be the case. I know the US won't make that policy choice anytime soon but it's the only way to have some level of stability. Obama may want to have it both ways but I don't think it's possible. We need a joint US-RU-Assad-Iraq force to snuff these insane motherfuckers from the face of the earth
 
I mean he'll probably "stabilize" the country, but he'll kill a hell of a lot of innocent people to do it. Torture programs, secret police, the cult of personality he cultivated, Alawi exceptionalism and the continued systemic oppression of Sunni Muslims. It's all gonna get ratcheted up to 11 to contain the pandora's box that was the civil war.

His regime isn't going to last, one way or another. The smart play at this point is backing him as a transitional govt. But that's not happening.

I mean, every major city other than Latakia is basically fucking destroyed. He OBLITERATED the infrastructure of his own country in order to keep the rebels at bay. That's going to cost him. Big time. I just don't see a country where every single city is either burnt to the ground or still on fire other than the one Assad and his privileged class live lasting long. He's not a long term solution or a bastion of Stability. This isn't like Saddam who ruled with an iron fist and a strong military to keep dissidents in line. Assad has ALREADY lost that fight.
 

nib95

Banned
Absolutely agree with him.

And conquer Saudi Arabia while they're at it.
Jordan can have Mecca and Medina like the Hashemites did before the Sauds took them.

What the fuck are talking about dude? Conquer Saudi Arabia? How about no. And how about no to any more fucking unnecessary war or violence that will only destabilise the region even more.
 

Weckum

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I'd like to remind everyone that Assad has killed more civilians than ISIL.

They might not put videos of it on social media, but Assad is just as bad.

It’s absolutely no secret that the vast majority of civilian deaths in Syria have been at the hands of President Bashar al-Assad’s forces.

Syrian government forces have launched indiscriminate attack after indiscriminate attack on the country’s beleaguered civilian population.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-isis-human-rights-group-claims-a6673956.html

Just as a reminded to people that say 'he's the lesser of two evils'. Nope. he's just as evil.

Another reminder:

‘They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine

Caesar, the Syrian military photographer who smuggled shocking evidence of torture out of Assad’s dungeons, tells his story for the first time

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-to-kill-inside-syrias-death-machine-caesar
 
So leave Assad to not create a power vacuum, surprise there is a vacuum, the whole shit fest started by Assad killing his own people and creating that vacuum.

Trying to demolish Saudi Arabia will create the worst power vacuum in the Middle East imaginable that will exceed both Iraq and Syria combined.
 
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I mean, this is what Al-Assad did to Homs by bombing and shelling it every single hour of every single day without stopping for three years.
 
I'd like to remind everyone that Assad has killed more civilians than ISIL.

They might not put videos of it on social media, but Assad is just as bad.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-isis-human-rights-group-claims-a6673956.html

Just as a reminded to people that say 'he's the lesser of two evils'. Nope. he's just as evil.

Another reminder:



http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-to-kill-inside-syrias-death-machine-caesar

Exactly. Assad is as bad as ISIS, he does it in secret. The Assad family are murderous monsters.
 

Lev

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I think that Assad would of gotten help a long time ago if he was the West's strategic ally in the Middle East. The West doesn't care about working with dictators, as long as they are on their side. Russia had to play the game of diplomacy before they could actually help Assad, because they don't want to appear as aggressors.
 
This has been the obvious choice for anybody with half a brain since all of this kicked off.

The only reason they want rid of Assad is due to Geo-Politics.

People will always hark back to, oh but he used chemical weapons, well no, he didn't. That died a death in the media when an independent party tested the chemicals used and found that they were actually from Saudi.

Saudi being one of the main backers/funders of ISIS, so that comes as no surprise.

As a side note, torture and civilian casualties are a bi-product of war and have been since the start of time. They go hand in hand. In an ideal world we could only cause damage to the "bad guys" but we don't live in an ideal world.

Also, many people clearly don't understand the sectarianism between the different factions of Muslims going on here.
 

damisa

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It is impossible to keep Assad in power unless we plan to assist him in subjugating and slaughtering his own people. They want him gone and that has not changed.

This isn't true though. Only poor Sunni's want him gone. Almost all the minorities and the middle/upper class Sunni's that were doing well support him.

Best bet is to split the country into Shia/Sunni/Kurd pieces. None of the minorities would trust a Sunni leader and the Sunnis won't trust a Shia leader either.
 

coleco

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As if Putin cares? You are right that the U.S. played a nasty game and got burned, but to suggest that Putin was concerned about anything aside from supporting his partner is a crock of shit. He doesn't give a damn more about the people dying in Syria than the U.S.

I didn't suggest anything and neither did Putin, don't put words in my mouth. The difference is he is not being a complete hypocrite about it, unlike the US and some of their western allies, and Putin's plan wouldn't destabilize a whole region. Putin defined Assad as his ally from the beginning. The US has no interest in eliminating ISIS or any other terrorist group in Syria. Their interest is to create as much chaos in the region as possible to topple Assad. Removing all those dictators from countries in the region has been a complete disaster and destabilized a huge portion of one of the most dangerous areas in the world. How well did removing Saddam work? We are reaping now those fruits, thanks once again to the US and their 'good deal' as Jeb Bush defined it, suffering the consequences in those countries and in Europe while we have to listen to US politicians pretending they give a single fuck about 'democracy and freedom' in the other side of the world. Even fucking Gadaffi warned the world what would happen if the dictators in the region were removed and his words were prophetic in accuracy. This has all been a huge disaster pushed and promoted by the US. Thankfully even their closest allies are starting to realize the con and the mistake, hopefully it's not too late.

And now sociopath Hillary Clinton claims the US must 'lead' the war against ISIS. What a fucking joke.
 

Ovid

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This has been the obvious choice for anybody with half a brain since all of this kicked off.

The only reason they want rid of Assad is due to Geo-Politics.
Yes.

I can see a proxy war between the US and Russia escalating and an emboldened ISIS taking advantage if Assad is ousted.

Assad as stability in the short term makes a lot of sense, but some of posts in this thread are opening my eyes to the long term (10-15 years down the road).

Honestly, there are no winners in either scenario.
 
And now sociopath Hillary Clinton claims the US must 'lead' the war against ISIS. What a fucking joke.

Yep, because they are evil, and there were no evil groups before or will ever come after them, no ma'am. Her saying that is the same as saying we really should become the world police forever. What a joke.

If we want to intervene on these things, we will always have to swallow a pill and just back whoever is doing less evil shit.
 

Jackpot

Banned
Assad is killing waaaaaaaaaay more people in Syria than ISIS. You're literally trading their lives for your peace of mind.
 
Of course he was. The game the US has been playing in Syria while pretending to be backing 'moderate' rebels has been disgusting. Their only interest in the region is to topple Assad, they don't give a fuck about anything else happening there.

Pretty much, the aim certainly isn't about helping people, it's about getting rid of Assad and taking over the countries centralized banking like they did to Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. People think Americans are there to "fight ISIS" and help the people there on some altruistic endeavour, that's not true and Cameron knows this, that's why he wants Assad killed either way.
 
Pretty much, the aim certainly isn't about helping people, it's about getting rid of Assad and taking over the countries centralized banking like they did to Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. People think Americans are there to "fight ISIS" and help the people there on some altruistic endeavour, that's not true and Cameron knows this, that's why he wants Assad killed either way.

I thought it was about stealing the oil. Now it's the central banks. I just can't keep up. You know, if Assad had agreed to legitimate elections in 2011 instead of sending in the army to gun down protestors there likely wouldn't be this mess.
 
This has been the obvious choice for anybody with half a brain since all of this kicked off.

The only reason they want rid of Assad is due to Geo-Politics.

People will always hark back to, oh but he used chemical weapons, well no, he didn't. That died a death in the media when an independent party tested the chemicals used and found that they were actually from Saudi.

Saudi being one of the main backers/funders of ISIS, so that comes as no surprise.

As a side note, torture and civilian casualties are a bi-product of war and have been since the start of time. They go hand in hand. In an ideal world we could only cause damage to the "bad guys" but we don't live in an ideal world.

Also, many people clearly don't understand the sectarianism between the different factions of Muslims going on here.

He deliberately bombs civilian areas and hospitals to punish civilians, this isn't a byproduct of the war, those are the direct products. Assad is worm-food in the long-run of every possible scenario of this war. The Syrian people despise him.
 

params7

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This has been the obvious choice for anybody with half a brain since all of this kicked off.

The only reason they want rid of Assad is due to Geo-Politics.

Yep. Talking points like these:

Assad is killing waaaaaaaaaay more people in Syria than ISIS. You're literally trading their lives for your peace of mind.

are completely missing the General's point as well as underestimating the damage Syria will further experience in a forced post-Assad government transition. At this point its either the continued Allawite regime or an Islamist group taking over.

Instead of Sunni's, it will be Allawites, Christians and other Shia minorities being massacred. Obama won't be talking about it on TV though. Our Gulf Wahabis and Sunni brothers will be happy so no reason to complain.




Pretty much, the aim certainly isn't about helping people, it's about getting rid of Assad and taking over the countries centralized banking like they did to Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. People think Americans are there to "fight ISIS" and help the people there on some altruistic endeavour, that's not true and Cameron knows this, that's why he wants Assad killed either way.

I thought it was about stealing the oil. Now it's the central banks. I just can't keep up. You know, if Assad had agreed to legitimate elections in 2011 instead of sending in the army to gun down protestors there likely wouldn't be this mess.

And Syria wouldn't be hell right now had US and allies not used fighters to oust Assad. It takes two to tango, and Syria is in a worse hell right now because of it. Diplomacy should have continued.

It might be elite bankers, or Qatari's pipelines to Europe which can't happen with Assad, it might be that Syrians are just plain fed up with Assad, it might be Assad is Vlad The Impaler/Jigsaw for Sunni's come to life, or it might be the U.S - Russia tug of war - whatever the reason is - any genuine civil war is fought en-masse by a countries' own revolutionaries, not by paid mercenaries with ideologies from foreign states.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
And Syria wouldn't be hell right now had US and allies not used fighters to oust Assad. It takes two to tango, and Syria is in a worse hell right now because of it. Diplomacy should have continued.

You can't be serious - you can come to terms with how Assad responded in the beginning yes? And how with enough strife and stalling he gave opportunity for extremists to rise? Had he opened up real elections from the very start NONE of this would have happened. No-one of sane mind would be supporting or listening to these people.
 

reckless

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You can't be serious - you can come to terms with how Assad responded in the beginning yes? And how with enough strife and stalling he gave opportunity for extremists to rise? Had he opened up real elections from the very start NONE of this would have happened. No-one of sane mind would be supporting or listening to these people.

Nah man Assad gunning down protesters had nothing to do with.

Then once the civil war actually started Assad releasing jihadists from prisons to go join rebel groups and stoke the extremist/sectarian angle that Assad had been pushing the whole time had nothing to do with.

Also,Assad helping fund Al-Nusra (to protect oil pipelines) and ISIS (for oil among other things) had nothing to do with their rise.

And then Assad pretty much ignoring ISIS (and ISIS ignoring Assad) for the most part while both focusing on more moderate groups also had nothing to do with the extremists taking over.

It's all the West's fault.
 

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Sticking with Assad is probably the only realistic endgame. What else would you want to do? Who else is there who could stabilize the country that we could seriously support? Assad seems to be the lesser of many evils.

Yeah because thinking like this hasn't bit the world in the ass before right?
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Cromat

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I don't know how you go from saying Assad is the more rational one then make the rest of it about convincing Assad being worse than ISIS. There's no proof for who conducted the chemical bombings as of yet, just theories. Why would Assad who was already facing international opposition commit a political suicide and risk inviting US/Nato in the wake of what happened to Gaddafi and Saddam? It makes no sense. In the months prior to the Ghouta attack, Al Nusra captured a chemical plant in Aleppo, was later found holding chemical weapons as well. You're giving Assad too much credit if you think only he would have the audacity to use chemical weapons while in possession of them. Also, where are you getting the numbers for 300,000 killed? UN puts the total at 220,000. I'd like to see a source on the distribution of the scores killed that is not Syrian Obervatory/Network For Human Rights as they're transparently biased.

Massacring Sunni muslims are fair points, but I'm not sure we can credit Assad entirely for rise in their extremism considering ISIS was born in Iraq and spread when U.S. smashed the government to bits. The majority of Sunny fighters not with ISIS are bankrolled by foreign powers. Assad has faced opposition from or directly funded by Turkey, Qatar, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, U.S., U.K., France, Al Qaeda, ISIS before Iran and Russia saved him. How is this a civil war? And how's supporting "rebels" once allied with Al Qaeda or eventually joining ISIS for being morally repugnant?

1. Rational =/= Morally superior. Bashar's regime is responsible for most deaths in Syria, and has indulged in torture and oppression that wouldn't shame ISIS.

2. There is really no debate about what happened with the chemical bombings. I've had many debates about this with posters on this forum at the time, so it's impossible for me to repeat the same points again. Western intelligence has rock-solid evidence that it was the regime, and even Russia tacitly acknowledged it when it pressured Assad to surrender all of his chemical arsenal. Aside from the extensive evidence gathered from eye witnesses, international organizations and intelligence, there is also the fact that the conspiracy theory just doesn't make any sense. If the rebels somehow got their hands on chemical weapons, a delivery mechanism and the necessary expertise to operate this, why would they proceed to use it on an elaborate, risky and ultimately pointless false flag attack? If the rebels could stage a chemical attack on Damascus, how about gassing the Presidential Palace and ending it right there?

3. The rebels are comprised of many different groups, the most dominant of which are Islamist groups that are obviously cruel and barbaric. But that has no bearing on the fact that the Assad regime has zero legitimacy to continue ruling Syria.

I dont think its practical at all to compare Bashar al Assad with Mubarak, because the Christian and Alawite minorities in Syria necessitated an entirely different, more gradual transition of power that the (largely Sunni) protesters simply were not prepared to accept. The speed of Mubarak's exit gave protesters in other countries an unrealistic template of reform and they wanted nothing short of total capitulation from Bashar and his gang.
Feeling cornered, Bashar made the mistake of empowering bloodthirsty generals he could neither control nor reign in and the rest is the shocking history of state sponsored torture and massacre and radicalized Islamist groups supported by the GCC.

Bashar's culpability doesn't start at the protests, it starts at the decade before that when he could have started to modernize and liberalize his country and didn't. Syria is a mafia state - it was literally ruled by decades by a family of criminals and their cronies. It doesn't take a genius to understand that this is not a sustainable model. I don't know if Assad is just weak and couldn't resist the survival instincts of people in his regime, or if he's just a power hungry asshole, but in either case he has the most responsibility for the dire situation in his country.

What do you think the solution is?

Honestly with Russia in the picture I don't know how feasible this is at the moment, but I have read proposals that included the following elements:

1. Create an international coalition to invade Syria from the north.

2. Establish a Free Syrian humanitarian zone along the entire border with Turkey. This should reduce the flow of people, funds and ammunition to and from ISIS controlled territory. Humanitarian efforts in this region should be led by international NGOs and aid groups.

3. Establish a No Flight Zone above the humanitarian area to ensure the safety of its inhabitants. Use airstrikes and special operations outside the zone to ensure that civilians are able to reach it.

4. Use the zone as a basis for operations against ISIS, and as a place where political talks about the future of Syria can take place, to form the basis for a future government.

Doing this is simpler than a dirty and prolonged war against ISIS and/or Assad, and doesn't require taking over the entirety of Syria. At the same time it would cut ISIS from the Western world, as well as help contain the massive wave of refugees coming out of Syria.
 
He was arrested on the first anniversary of the Syrian uprising, and was tortured for five days by Syria's Military Branch 215 and was tried, without access to counsel, on charges of "harming state security." His arrest and detention have been widely decried; the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has called for his immediate release.

http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html

Assad is no better than ISIS.
 
The only people Assad has defeated so far as his own people. The blood of a quarter of a million civilians, killed by his forces, with millions more displaced.

Leveling entire cities to rubble with heavy artillery, dropping barrel bombs from helicopters onto villages, firing chemical rounds into residential areas - hey, I'm old enough to remember when John Kerry compared that particular crime to the work of the Nazis.

Yeah, sounds like a great partner for the future.

ISIS is the best thing to happen for Assad since the civil war began. Nobody in the west gave a shit about the slaughter he was committing but at the same time nobody in the west was going to align themselves with one of the worst war criminals in recent history. Then ISIS springs up as a threat to the west, and because they are a threat to the west now you have people talking about giving Assad support, and of course now more than ever nobody at all gives a shit about the crimes he has committed, why, because as brutal as those crimes were, they didn't hurt anyone in the west. That's the sad reality of all this.
 
1. Create an international coalition to invade Syria from the north.

2. Establish a Free Syrian humanitarian zone along the entire border with Turkey. This should reduce the flow of people, funds and ammunition to and from ISIS controlled territory. Humanitarian efforts in this region should be led by international NGOs and aid groups.

3. Establish a No Flight Zone above the humanitarian area to ensure the safety of its inhabitants. Use airstrikes and special operations outside the zone to ensure that civilians are able to reach it.

4. Use the zone as a basis for operations against ISIS, and as a place where political talks about the future of Syria can take place, to form the basis for a future government.

Doing this is simpler than a dirty and prolonged war against ISIS and/or Assad, and doesn't require taking over the entirety of Syria. At the same time it would cut ISIS from the Western world, as well as help contain the massive wave of refugees coming out of Syria.

Way too risky and besides every country have their own interests and I see very little appetite for ground soldiers by everyone. I also doubt that these countries will see eye-to-eye. Also the US is using an alliance of Arabs and Kurds and they are stomping ISIL in south-east Syria. They might take over the whole province.
 
Nobody in the west gave a shit about the slaughter he was committing but at the same time nobody in the west was going to align themselves with one of the worst war criminals in recent history. Then ISIS springs up as a threat to the west, and because they are a threat to the west now you have people talking about giving Assad support, and of course now more than ever nobody at all gives a shit about the crimes he has committed, why, because as brutal as those crimes were, they didn't hurt anyone in the west. That's the sad reality of all this.

Yep, it never was about some humanitarian effort, the west is unarguably also quite slow in dealing with ISIS source in the ME, they've had a very long time to deal with them, to me they don't seem too serious about it.

Russia on the other hand: "Syria terrorists losing over $1 mln daily under Russian airstrikes — defense minister"
http://tass.ru/en/world/838186
 

Azih

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I believe the last poll of Syrians before Syria ceased being a country showed a majority supported Assad's regime.
 

kitch9

Banned
Which of the Islamic factions could run a country in the middle east without the need for killing someone either through others attacking them or simply to maintain order?

I don't think such a thing exists does it? Until Islam gets a Pope like figure head the place will be in a world of persistent turmoil.
 

Rktk

Member
We may well have had western troops invade Syria if it weren't for a war-weary public and the Russians backing Assad. We had no problem giving military backing to his overthrow.
 

sbkodama

Member
Well Assad's strategy of destroying the moderate opposition while helping the extremists groups like ISIS and Al-Nusra grow worked pretty in turning the West into his ally in the war.

Tell me about the strategy that use non existent nuclear weapon from buch.
 

Nivash

Member

Careful with those globalresearch links, that site is an infamous anti-western conspiracy den. It's so bad it makes RT look as respectable as the BBC.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

Your top source is old enough that's is pretty obsolete for that matter, it was taken before the more recent Assad atrocities. It's also contradicting your statement:

Guardian Comment Article said:
The key finding was that while most Arabs outside Syria feel the president should resign, attitudes in the country are different. Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war – a spectre that is not theoretical as it is for those who live outside Syria's borders. What is less good news for the Assad regime is that the poll also found that half the Syrians who accept him staying in power believe he must usher in free elections in the near future. Assad claims he is about to do that, a point he has repeated in his latest speeches. But it is vital that he publishes the election law as soon as possible, permits political parties and makes a commitment to allow independent monitors to watch the poll.

So what the poll actually showed was that 75 % of Syrians either wanted Assad to step down or usher in early elections very soon (this was four years ago, mind you) so that civil war might be avoided. Assad obviously did none of those things and now Syria is a heap of rubble with half its population displaced and close to 300 000 dead. You think Assad still has the same level of support? There's no real way of finding out anyway, the notion of conducting accurate, impartial polls in Syria in its current state is absurd.
 

Arnie7

Banned
Could we stop spouting as FACT that Asaad did order use of Sarin gas please. It has not been proven either way by both UN reports.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
Why has Russia always been so supportive of the Assads?

Russian bases there - they need a presence in the M.E region for several geopolitical reasons.

Source?

Source?

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10DAMASCUS158_a.html

The Sednaya case is well documented - part of the radicalization happened within their prison walls. They were used in Iraq in 2003. What do you think they had in mind when they released them in Syria?

Could we stop spouting as FACT that Asaad did order use of Sarin gas please. It has not been proven either way by both UN reports.

Bear in mind, the regime did everything possible to delay the examination of the site, subsequently ensuring that it was contaminated enough that the evidence got cold. You can find numerous UN reports about these tactics.
 

KooopaKid

Banned
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10DAMASCUS158_a.html

The Sednaya case is well documented - part of the radicalization happened within their prison walls. They were used in Iraq in 2003. What do you think they had in mind when they released them in Syria?

I don't see the part where they released them in Syria. Your article says:

"The group of returned foreign fighters in Seidnaya felt the SARG, by sending them back to prison, had cheated them".
 

Syder

Member
The Assad forces still control 25% of Syria. He's presumably holed up in a well defended location praying for intervention from someone to come save him from the lynching that IS want. Then what? He just goes back to being president. No way. It's far too late for Assad now. Whether or not he's guilty of the crimes he's accused of, so much devastation has come to Syrians (200,000+ have been killed) and that region since IS massively mobilised forces and took down the border to Iraq. IS control more than 35,000 sq. miles across Iraq and Syria and intend to reverse the Sykes-Picot agreement established at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. IS believe only in aggressive expansion.

I fear what state the region will be in by the time outside intervention begins due to ill-feeling towards Western influence post-War on Terror and who knows if Assad will last that long. Drone strikes and dropping weapons caches on 'good rebels' (Yeah, that worked out well) will not destabilise IS and establish a new 'good government', it only further fuels IS' hatred towards The West. Full scale outside influence (from [probably] Russia) seems inevitable to me. Regardless, removing IS and putting Assad back in charge of Syria is a long, long way and a lot of intervention from someone away, and even then I think we all know Assad is most definitely not the answer to long term stability in Syria and the wider region.
 

CaLe

Member
For a senior British military officer the choice between lunatic killers who want to kill shia in Syria and lunatic killers who want to kill everyone is very simple. It's his duty to protect British citizens and that is accomplished more by Assad winning then ISIS winning. The politicians can delve into hand-wringing who is the most morally repugnant and make grand, hollow statements like 'the world should unite' and 'this violence will not stand'.

I think you meant Sunni. Assad is not killing Shias.
 
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