Once again it's an effect of the GOP's negative propaganda. They can't help but run away when democrats in red states are surrounded by voters who listen to fox news and the like.
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Kentucky hates Obamacare, but don't hate Kynect (which is Obamacare).
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Once again it's an effect of the GOP's negative propaganda. They can't help but run away when democrats in red states are surrounded by voters who listen to fox news and the like.
speculawyer
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It says 33% were favorable of Obamacare. 29% were in favorable of Kynect. It's either extremely misleading title or an outright lie since there's nothing to support they "love" it. Your choice on what you want to call it.
What you are pushing is extremely misleading whereas the title is just slightly misworded.
It says 33% were favorable of Obamacare. 29% were in favorable of Kynect. It's either extremely misleading title or an outright lie since there's nothing to support they "love" it. Your choice on what you want to call it.
Ah, I see. That's fine. This is a consequence of providing a "no opinion" option in polling.
The general thrust of the argument -- that people apparently have a greater distaste for Obamacare that doesn't translate to Kynect -- appears to be true.
It's pitiful how misinformed some people let themselves be
Can you blame them with the moronic Political ads we get on TV???
You can straight up lie and it will still get run
cubicle47b
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48-50% of people polled don't know what Kynect is or are unsure about it. The thread title needs to be changed.
LegendofLex
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No, there was a choice for 'never heard of' which weeded out the uneducated.
No, I see what he's saying. The poll doesn't actually indicate that more people favored Kynect than Obamacare (Obamacare actually has a 33% approval rate while Kynect has only a 29% rate), but the thread title uses that conclusion as a generalization.
There is an option for "never heard of," but that's not a statement of approval or disapproval. It's likely that many people might approve of it had they heard of it, but it's also likely that many would disapprove of it, too (especially if it was described in the same way as Obamacare or associated with Obamacare). And so it's altogether possible that the relative lack of knowledge explains the lower disapproval rating (which is what Mr.Awesome is suggesting).
Once again it's an effect of the GOP's negative propaganda. They can't help but run away when democrats in red states are surrounded by voters who listen to fox news and the like.
I'm criticising their actions to not go on the offensive and combat the negative propaganda. If dems can't sell the ACA in KY where it has been a success then they can't sell it anywhere.
Running away from policy success is a choice.
Can you blame them with the moronic Political ads we get on TV???
You can straight up lie and it will still get run
Yes, I can blame them. They got Google in Kentucky.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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It says 33% were favorable of Obamacare. 29% were in favorable of Kynect. It's either extremely misleading title or an outright lie since there's nothing to support they "love" it. Your choice on what you want to call it.
Why is it so hard to just quote what you're talking about instead of getting defensive
edit: There were more people who didn't even know what Kynect was, which still proves the point that of the people who have heard of the two, more people have an unfavorable opinion of Obamacare, despite it being virtually the same as Kynect
RustyNails
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Read the underlined part in the quote in OP. They spell it out without using any adverbsKinda wish AJA hadn't added the word "basically."
Because they ARE the same thing.
LegendofLex
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I'm criticising their actions to not go on the offensive and combat the negative propaganda. If dems can't sell the ACA in KY where it has been a success then they can't sell it anywhere.
Running away from policy success is a choice.
Indeed. If people are vocally opposed to the ACA but are willing to participate in and benefit from Kynect, it makes sense to talk about defending the successful Kentucky-grown program rather than dismantling the federal law that enables its existence. I have a hard time imagining how you could get away with that without at least teetering on the edge of misleading your constituents (as it seems they're more appreciative when they're ignorant of the link), but given the political baggage around open discussion of the ACA I don't know that it's altogether wrong to try to reboot the public dialogue, either.
There were more people who didn't even know what Kynect was, which still proves the point that of the people who have heard of the two, more people have an unfavorable opinion of Obamacare, despite it being virtually the same as Kynect
I don't remember the poll results specifying how many of that 56% of Obamacare disapprovers actually knew about or had an opinion on Kynect.
Sho_Nuff82
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People are so fucking stupid.
I'm criticising their actions to not go on the offensive and combat the negative propaganda. If dems can't sell the ACA in KY where it has been a success then they can't sell it anywhere.
Running away from policy success is a choice.
It's much easier to sell negativity than it is to promote positivity especially when it has been brainwashed in the electorate. Should the democrats have tried to get better messaging in red states earlier? Definitely, but now that it is so negative we certain parts of the country. I don't blame certain democrats not embracing the aca to get elected. Once they get elected however, I would hope that they embrace it and try their best to change perceptions.
Better with Kynect
Gah, beat me to it.
I don't know, as a Kentuckian the article does seems like an over generalization.
The State overall has become more and more divisive in terms of how it votes and its politics. Areas like Louisville, Lexington, and Covington have become significantly more Liberal over the years. It's the Eastern and Southern parts of the state that are the holdouts. Eastern Kentucky is Coal Country, obviously a certain rhetoric takes hold there.
The State overall has become more and more divisive in terms of how it votes and its politics. Areas like Louisville, Lexington, and Covington have become significantly more Liberal over the years. It's the Eastern and Southern parts of the state that are the holdouts. Eastern Kentucky is Coal Country, obviously a certain rhetoric takes hold there.
Kind of a terrible experiment. Many of the complaints about Vista would not be apparent in a staged 10 min demo (e.g. software compatibility issues, driver issues, etc.)
Sure the people viewing the demo might have disliked Vista without knowing why, but the reputation that the OS had was not totally undeserved.
Super Nothing
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People are so fucking stupid.
If you read the article, the experiment was somewhat misleading. People were shown "Mojave" without actually getting to use it. It was demonstrated by a trained sales rep. who presumably knew the OS very well. They were not likely to run into any of the issues that average users had. They didn't get the same experience that everyone else did with Vista. If they had given copies of "Mojave" to users who already had experience with Vista and let them give their impressions of it after getting a chance to use it on their own, I'm willing to bet that they would have the same opinion.
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