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[SnakeSlashRO]

It's just a game. Relax.

There is terms of service for this kind of stuff... Isn't controlling someones account for malicious reasons and deleting his characters without his consent fraudulent? He did give him permission to shareplay, but not to delete his characters, we know this because we have video evidence.

It's just a game, but what he did is wrong and there is policies for this kind of stuff, those documents are legal correct? Im just assuming all of this but I think this is bigger than "It's just a game".

He should at least receive a temp banning. I could imagine if someone on neogaf had access to another members account, and fully admitted to it and posted something questionable both members could be banned.

 

[quest]

Oh well, we certainly lowered that bar haven't we? From now he won't step into some strangers car outside into, well at least he won't let some guy take control over his computer or game system.

And in the case of a game system this is about as bad as it gets anyway.

Yes he could have given control over the family computer. But it wouldn't make any sense because the risks are way higher for that than giving some guy control over your game. Also it is a feature that is much less obvious.

This is not some valuable life lesson, if anything he'll probably distrust strangers on the internet now, which yes, prevents things like this from happening again, but also sounds like a negative thing to me.

It could of easily been a PC game and the troll convinced him to allow access via log me in or other services that make it easy. The kid did not see any risks period and if he would allow control over his game system he do the same on the PC.

Actually not trusting strangers online is a pretty good thing for the most part. There are thousands of stories of people cleaning out guild banks and stealing shared accounts in MMOs. People setting up traps for hardcore players on diablo 3. There are lots of people out there that get off on trolling/griefing. The sooner a person learns that lesson the better. I learned my lessons on muds in the 90's and those lessons still stuck with me since then.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Gameinformer has an update for it

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...s-a-harsh-lesson-in-using-ps4-share-play.aspx

I love their attitudes towards this. Good for the kid and good for the Destiny community (well, parts of it, anyway) for offering to help him get back to where he was.

 

[Pathfinder]

But there is enough proof for you to condemn the kid and equivocate a ban like the troll?

My original position was that it's not really Sony/Bungie's responsibility to step in, and that it was just an unfortunate incident and a learning experience for the kid.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

So our proof is a one-sided conversation?

Yeah, I can't go along with that. It's inconclusive.

Why are you being so confrontational about this?

Its an 11 year old kid who just got the system for Christmas. He had been playing with the asshat for a while. I'm willing to bet that the asshat in question told him about this cool glitch that he could do. Kids are naive and trusting, the asshat took advantage of him.

Do you feel better that the kid learned a lesson and got some retribution for trying to cheat after being deceived?

 

[GRIP]

That's not a credible defense to my point sorry. The fact IS he's not even supposed to be playing Destiny and well here's a real reason why. He was trying to cheat and ran into someone smarter than him and this happened that's the lesson learned here. Along with him not having parents who apparently give a shit about what he does online. If this were my kid and since I do have two kids 11 and 12 I can speak from experience I wouldn't be defending them and I would explain that when you cheat nothing positive comes of it. I've had this conversation with both my sons and I'm saying if the kid in question had some parental guidance this probably wouldn't have happened.

lol what the fuck

The guy who deleted all of his stuff was the one that told him about this glitch that doesn't even exist. The kid wasn't roaming the tower asking random people to help him cheat the game. He was just a naive 11 year who believed the wrong person.

 

[UncleCross]

That's not a credible defense to my point sorry. The fact IS he's not even supposed to be playing Destiny and well here's a real reason why. He was trying to cheat and ran into someone smarter than him and this happened that's the lesson learned here. Along with him not having parents who apparently give a shit about what he does online. If this were my kid and since I do have two kids 11 and 12 I can speak from experience I wouldn't be defending them and I would explain that when you cheat nothing positive comes of it. I've had this conversation with both my sons and I'm saying if the kid in question had some parental guidance this probably wouldn't have happened.

This is one of the best posts in this thread.

 

[SnakeSlashRO]

So our proof is a one-sided conversation?

Yeah, I can't go along with that. It's inconclusive.

There is also a redditor admitting responsibility, saying he was serving up justice... I posted it on the previous page.

 

[TonberrysKnife]

The kid definitely learned his lesson today. No honor amongst cheaters. Grind that shit out yourself.

 

[DomsPlaying]

Wait. 11-year-old kid playing a T-rated game while being unsupervised, on the Internet, voice chatting with strangers, and recording a video stream that is shared with the public?

As a parent I feel bad for the kid, but why are the parents even allowing this situation to occur?

Thought the same thing. It's sad, but at least he learned a valuable life lesson.

 

[ship it]

1. Destiny is ripe with exploits

really wish people would stop using this as some justification for cheating, but I doubt it.

The kid definitely learned his lesson today. No honor amongst cheaters. Grind that shit out yourself.

nah this makes you heartless and a sociopatch donchaknow

 

[DJ88]

Jesus this thread was painful to read through *cough*DarkFlow*cough*. So many uninformed people thinking the kid was trying to cheat on the same level of an aim bot or getting an instant max rank in multiplayer. As if no one here has ever used a glitch or exploit in a game when they were a kid to beat a level or a boss easier.

When you were 11, what if a kid told you he knew a trick to get the last 3 gym leader badges real quick in pokemon red/blue (which is pretty much the equivalent of what this kid thought was gonna happen), you don't know any better and are curious so you pass him your gameboy and he immediately deletes your save file. Yeah it was a dumb thing letting a kid you don't know use your gameboy, and you learned a lesson, but getting what you deserved? Justice being served for trying to get the last 3 badges quicker? Fucking please.

Not being able to sympathize with a kid when we were all that age and did really dumb things at some point is just sad.

 

[Outtrigger888]

This is one of the best posts in this thread.

Not really, what's wrong with a mature 11 year old playing a teen rated game?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Thought the same thing. It's sad, but at least he learned a valuable life lesson.

Yep. I think we should all deceive children and prey on their naivete so they can learn stranger danger.

 

[Atilac]

My original position was that it's not really Sony/Bungie's responsibility to step in, and that it was just an unfortunate incident and a learning experience for the kid.

An accident is indeed a learning experience, but a malicious act is different. Especially against a troll that socially engineers his victims and has done this before. You cannot equivocate.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Poor kid. Hopefully Bungie can help him out in the interim while they work on a solution for the permanency of character deletions.

 

[BadAss2961]

Gameinformer has an update for it

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...s-a-harsh-lesson-in-using-ps4-share-play.aspx

Bungie really can't just restore the characters?

 

[domlolz]

Wait. 11-year-old kid playing a T-rated game while being unsupervised, on the Internet, voice chatting with strangers, and recording a video stream that is shared with the public?

As a parent I feel bad for the kid, but why are the parents even allowing this situation to occur?

like you didn't play games/watch movies you weren't meant to at that age

 

[Effigenius]

That's not a credible defense to my point sorry. The fact IS he's not even supposed to be playing Destiny and well here's a real reason why. He was trying to cheat and ran into someone smarter than him and this happened that's the lesson learned here. Along with him not having parents who apparently give a shit about what he does online. If this were my kid and since I do have two kids 11 and 12 I can speak from experience I wouldn't be defending them and I would explain that when you cheat nothing positive comes of it. I've had this conversation with both my sons and I'm saying if the kid in question had some parental guidance this probably wouldn't have happened.

You think your kids are never going to cheat because you talked to them about it? You are in for some surprises as they enter their teenage years.

 

[Prophet Steve]

That's not a credible defense to my point sorry. The fact IS he's not even supposed to be playing Destiny and well here's a real reason why. He was trying to cheat and ran into someone smarter than him and this happened that's the lesson learned here. Along with him not having parents who apparently give a shit about what he does online. If this were my kid and since I do have two kids 11 and 12 I can speak from experience I wouldn't be defending them and I would explain that when you cheat nothing positive comes of it. I've had this conversation with both my sons and I'm saying if the kid in question had some parental guidance this probably wouldn't have happened.

Not old enough to play the game seems a bit like bollocks. It is only an indicator and the rating is based on entirely different factors such as level of violence. The ESRB will not rate interactions with other players.

He wasn't trying to cheat, the other guy persuaded him to. And judging that this video is posted by one of the parents and seem to know what they are talking about, they are very aware of what he is doing online.

But good on you for jumping to conclusions and congratulating yourself on your excellent parent skills.

I am sure your children greatly appreciate the talk to not cheat.

...in a videogame.

...when persuaded by somebody else

...with no effect to other players

...achieving an effect of about ten levels that he has already achieved with other characters too and isn't much of an achievement.

Well, at least with your children you can tell them the got exactly what was coming to them for not listening to you and that they should greatly value a parent like you.

 

[flkraven]

I accept the fact that I got 'rekt' not so many people are supporting me so I kind of feel discouraged do (sic) can you please leave out the hurtful comments I tried to cheat yea I deserve it, but it doesn't mean you have to say mean things about me... Thank you for your time.

Respect to this kid. He admits his fault and owns that he tried to cheat. He accepts getting 'rekt' but would just prefer if people didn't say hurtful comments. Good on him.

The biggest distinction between the two people here is that one is 11 and one is an adult. There is a reason we have different courts of law and punishments for adults and kids, because kids are still developing and rarley understand the consequences of their actions. Not so for adults.

 

[DizzyCaffeine]

I have a feeling an Internet lynch mob will be heaping punishment on the asshat real soon. He's gonna wish he never messed with this kid.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Gameinformer has an update for it

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...s-a-harsh-lesson-in-using-ps4-share-play.aspx

Man, reading this is so sad. I hope Henry comes out alright after this.

 

[Pathfinder]

An accident is indeed a learning experience, but a malicious act is different. Especially against a troll that socially engineers his victims and has done this before. You cannot equivocate.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the kid because something of his was taken from him. But personal responsibility has to play a part in this as well.

If Bungie was to step in and help every single person who was wronged by someone else in Destiny all over the world, I'm sure they'd be working overtime.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So many uninformed people thinking the kid was trying to cheat on the same level of an aim bot or getting an instant max rank in multiplayer. As if no one here has ever used a glitch or exploit in a game when they were a kid to beat a level or a boss easier.

This, so much. This "all cheating is equal" line of thought is goddamn idiotic.

 

[diaspora]

Bungie really can't just restore the characters?

They're not going to restore characters lost from trying and failing to abuse the system.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Man. I was laughing at the kid untill the end when you can hear him crying. Jesus that was some depresssing shit to watch on a Friday

 

[Tigress]

This, so much. This "all cheating is equal" line of thought is goddamn idiotic.

I gotta agree here. If the kid glitched a few extra levels, how much harm does it really do to anyone else (who also could use the glitch at the risk that Bungie decides to find glitchers and punish them)? Oh, so now they have one more person who might have better stuff than them. That happens whether it is a glitch or some one who had more time to play the game then them. Are they now going to whine about the people who had more time to play the game also getting an unfair advantage? What the guy did in "retaliation" (which is what he is claiming on reddit) was way worse and harmful than some glitch to advance some levels.

It's not as if the kid was going to hack other people's characters and do stuff to their characters. He was just trying to improve the plight of his character a little bit and save some time rather than working for it (one could argue he only cheats himself out of the satisfaction of truly earning your stuff. And if that's not a huge deal to him, well, the game is more fun for him that way. Personally, I think a reward gotten cause I earned it is more fun than a glitch reward).

This guy though thought it was great to actually do some harm to another person's character. One is way worse than the other.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the kid because something of his was taken from him. But personal responsibility has to play a part in this as well.

If Bungie was to step in and help every single person who was wronged by someone else in Destiny all over the world, I'm sure they'd be working overtime.

Yes, but it seems like the only personal responsibility you care about is the 11 year old child.

This kid befriended someone and played with them for a few hours and was convinced by an adult to do something. Sure, if you want to issue some blame go ahead, he admits it and is ironically acting much more like an adult than the actual adult.

The amount of people in this thread who have seemingly forgot what it is like to be a child...so odd.

 

[Meowtor]

same sentiments as many others, was funny till he broke down crying at the end.

harsh lessons are harsh..

 

[Cabal]

I feel sorry for the kid. He learned a good lesson about trusting strangers, and in some ways this is probably one of the safer ways learn it. Still the crying at the end...

On the other hand there is something sociopathic about someone in their late 30's still getting their rocks off by trolling like this. if the reddit posts are his also, he needs serious help.

 

[TonberrysKnife]

nah this makes you heartless and a sociopatch donchaknow

Well, that's just your opinion. Don't trust anybody; no matter how old you are. I'm surprised the kid wasn't supervised by the parents or even the parent's letting the kid play the game. Does it suck for the kid? Yes. However, at least he'll be more aware about this in the future.

Also, if the kid has a PS4, his save data could be pulled from the cloud (assuming PS+ is present) and he could play from that if possible.

 

[ship it]

This, so much. This "all cheating is equal" line of thought is goddamn idiotic.

yea insults will certainly make your point more valid.

please tell me your personal standards for cheating and I will incorporate them into mine.

Well, that's just your opinion. Don't trust anybody; no matter how old you are. I'm surprised the kid wasn't supervised by the parents or even the parent's letting the kid play the game. Does it suck for the kid? Yes. However, at least he'll be more aware about this in the future.

Also, if the kid has a PS4, his save data could be pulled from the cloud (assuming PS+ is present) and he could play from that if possible.

apologies, I was being sarcastic in reference to some of the other couch psychologists in the topic.

 

[Clearos]

Slightly off-topic but I bet Bungie loves this. Shareplay is not their tool so it can't turn to a shitting on destiny topic and now they can send the kid $20 worth of signed posters and trinkets and rake in the positive spot light.

 

[Kiant]

Damn dude, that's some depressing shit. Hopefully Bungie could restore his characters or something.

 

[shone237]

This is not some valuable life lesson, if anything he'll probably distrust strangers on the internet now, which yes, prevents things like this from happening again, but also sounds like a negative thing to me.

you sound like you need a father figure. meet me on destiny and we'll talk.

 

[UncleCross]

Not really, what's wrong with a mature 11 year old playing a teen rated game?

My point was more about his parents defending him. He was doing several things he probably shouldn't have been doing. This would be a good opportunity to teach him right from wrong, but instead they are defending him, trying to get people to feel sorry for him, and trying to get Bungle to give his characters back. In actuality, he most likely deserves to be grounded at the very least.

 

[Anton Sugar]

yea insults will certainly make your point more valid.

please tell me your personal standards for cheating and I will incorporate them into mine.

Is aimbotting or wallhacking is on par with level boosting for you or what?

Level boosting, especially in Destiny, is no worse that exploiting the loot cave, cheesing a boss, or glitching a boss.

I gotta agree here. If the kid glitched a few extra levels, how much harm does it really do to anyone else (who also could use the glitch at the risk that Bungie decides to find glitchers and punish them)? Oh, so now they have one more person who might have better stuff than them. That happens whether it is a glitch or some one who had more time to play the game then them. Are they now going to whine about the people who had more time to play the game also getting an unfair advantage? What the guy did in "retaliation" (which is what he is claiming on reddit) was way worse and harmful than some glitch to advance some levels.

It's not as if the kid was going to hack other people's characters and do stuff to their characters. He was just trying to improve the plight of his character a little bit and save some time rather than working for it (one could argue he only cheats himself out of the satisfaction of truly earning your stuff. And if that's not a huge deal to him, well, the game is more fun for him that way. Personally, I think a reward gotten cause I earned it is more fun than a glitch reward).

This guy though thought it was great to actually do some harm to another person's character. One is way worse than the other.

This.

 

[thenerevarine]

I didn't read the whole thread, but why is some of the onus for this not on Bungie? Shouldn't deleting a character with 200 hours of play take more effort than holding X for 8 seconds?

And why is our data unrecoverable? For at least a decade people have been able to manually backup data (with exception to those annoying 'locked' save files), and now our data is stored in a cloud - the easiest place to version data and create backups - but it's not a feature of any game or console to revert to a backup save.

Sigh. Poor kid.

 

[Prophet Steve]

So our proof is a one-sided conversation?

Yeah, I can't go along with that. It's inconclusive.

No shit that it is no proof. But it isn't difficult to see that he didn't start with initiating the glitch.

VERY FIRST WORDS LINKED:

"Huh...what glitch?" --So, he isn't initiating conversation about the glitch or is even aware of it at first or at least confused about what the guy is talking about.

Oh, I reached level 20 already

What? How? Ok the rest I can't understand but from this and the previous line it is clear he doesn't know anything about the glitch.

Well okay, I'll promote you to leader

Isn't it super clear that he did not initiate this?

It could of easily been a PC game and the troll convinced him to allow access via log me in or other services that make it easy. The kid did not see any risks period and if he would allow control over his game system he do the same on the PC.

Actually not trusting strangers online is a pretty good thing for the most part. There are thousands of stories of people cleaning out guild banks and stealing shared accounts in MMOs. People setting up traps for hardcore players on diablo 3. There are lots of people out there that get off on trolling/griefing. The sooner a person learns that lesson the better. I learned my lessons on muds in the 90's and those lessons still stuck with me since then.

This is a clan member, who he voice chatted with, using a completely obvious PS4 system. In a game where you don't have personal info or risks anyway. There are fewer and smaller risks, by someone that is in a way endorsed for and voice chatted with, using a very accessible feature. I doubt you can access the rest of the OS, I assume this is limited to only the game. Which greatly decreases the amount of risk.

Giving someone control over your PC isn't anything like that. You'll probably need to install of program or give details for someone else for that, and there are much worse risks. Him doing this isn't close to doing that.

You need to be cautious with strangers, not distrust every stranger you see. There are plenty of good things that can happen with internet strangers.

you sound like you need a father figure. meet me on destiny and we'll talk.

STRANGER DANGER!

Seriously, what are you on about?

 

[gioGAF]

It's just a game. Relax.

It is the action that is deplorable, not the fact that it happened on a game. Yes, we are all aware that a person's success in Destiny is not important on a grand scale.

The guy is an asshole, he "dealt justice". Maybe you should have some "justice dealt" to you next time you go a mile over the speed limit or voice an opinion that others don't like by SOMEONE WHO IS NOT QUALIFIED TO DO SO!

 

[N30RYU]

 

[shone237]

My point was more about his parents defending him. He was doing several things he probably shouldn't have been doing. This would be a good opportunity to teach him right from wrong, but instead they are defending him, trying to get people to feel sorry for him, and trying to get Bungle to give his characters back. In actuality, he most likely deserves to be grounded at the very least.

this. shat happens. Kid lost a save but learned not to trust strangers on the internet.

Back in my day, this was equivalent to letting a stranger ride your bike.

We all go through it.

The real story here is all the "adults" failing .

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

My point was more about his parents defending him. He was doing several things he probably shouldn't have been doing. This would be a good opportunity to teach him right from wrong, but instead they are defending him, trying to get people to feel sorry for him, and trying to get Bungle to give his characters back. In actuality, he most likely deserves to be grounded at the very least.

...

Henry's mother tells us that one of the members of the young man's clan invited KirmitTHEfrog and another person into a party. They played together for a while, and it was after earning his trust on February 13, that the events of the video below unfolded.

Unfortunately, Henry has suffered a backlash for his naiveté, drawing insults. His mother has been accused of being a bad parent for allowing him to play.

As you can see at the end of the video, Henry boldly confronts his malefactors immediately after the incident. He doesn't resort to foul language. He treats them with civility. His mother tells us that this is a valuable lesson for Henry and others.

"I think this is a great opportunity to reiterate to the gaming community about the importance of not trusting anyone online, even if you think they are your friends," Kramer says. "Protect your hard work by being cautious. As Henry’s parents, we are constantly reminding him of this, to be careful, never share your personal information, always be on the lookout. But the truth is, no matter how many times a parent says this to a kid, when you’re in the actual situation, it’s easier to trust people you think are your friends because someone you actually know in real life vouches for them."

 

[Pathfinder]

The amount of people in this thread who have seemingly forgot what it is like to be a child...so odd.

Oh, believe me, I remember exactly what it was like to be his age.

If I was 11, the Internet existed, and I messed up on some online game and lost all my shit, the last thing my parents would do is post a video of said occurrence on the Internet. They'd smirk at me and say "Well, I hope you learned your lesson."

And, you know what? I would have.

 

[ship it]

Is aimbotting or wallhacking is on par with level boosting for you or what?

Level boosting, especially in Destiny, is no worse that exploiting the loot cave, cheesing a boss, or glitching a boss.



This.

did I say anything about that? nope.

I'm currently playing Destiny legit, trying to grind to 27. I never exploited any loot cave, cheesed a boss or glitched a boss. are you saying I am an idiot for playing the game as its intended?

ITT: cheating is ok in destiny because the game isn't fun to me yet I need to grind gear, oh and everyone does it (cause I know everyone)

 

[Muzicfreq]

This is why I don't really make internet friends since I have had this same shit happen to me before.
Conquer Online. Got all super gear and a famous very generous person that helped people level was going to help me as well but that asshole was not the same guy and took all my gear and fled.
Also what made it worse was that the gear was made with dragon balls that cost real money which was a gift.

Though after that I grew used to not trusting many people that want to "help"

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Oh, believe me, I remember exactly what it was like to be his age.

If I was 11, the Internet existed, and I messed up on some online game and lost all my shit, the last thing my parents would do is post a video of said occurrence on the Internet. They'd smirk at me and say "Well, I hope you learned your lesson."

It is like you are just ignoring stuff on purpose...

Did you read the article about this?

 

[N30RYU]

This wouldn't have happened if the kid had a Xbox One... Hurry MS just give that kid an Xbox One Destiny Bundle.

 

[SystemUser]

I think the guy that did this should be banned, but I also don't really think the kid should get his stuff back. I don't know the nature of the "glitch" though. Is the "glitch" an exploit or something that is a more clearly bannable type of cheating?