KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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MvmntInGrn
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I'm all for motion control if it is done consciously. Do not make me turn a wheel with the controller while someone is shooting at me. Keep motion control that uses motion and buttons to low movement/low action scenes so they don't become a hindrance. If the action is very simple then maybe it can be used in active gameplay. Uncharted for instance used it to throw grenades and it worked very well. R1 used it to shake enemies and thats fine too.
Motion is very simple = use in gameplay
Motion requires moving the controller and using buttons = keep it restricted to low movement/action areas to prevent unnecessary frustration
Motion is very simple = use in gameplay
Motion requires moving the controller and using buttons = keep it restricted to low movement/action areas to prevent unnecessary frustration
Virtua Ben
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TTP's videos look great. Though I do have to say that the medic and assault classes don't look like that much fun. That being said, the rest of the classes look great. The sniper and tactician videos were probably my favorite.
Btw, I would rather have motion control when it comes to turning a knob. I have faith that they'll execute it well.
Btw, I would rather have motion control when it comes to turning a knob. I have faith that they'll execute it well.
John_B said:
In Folklore it was a main game mechanic, it played an important role in the gameplay and it did a great job of it, although it should have taken it even further (more changes in motion required for more monsters).
Here, it will likely be subtle use. Dont imagine tough complex mini games with motion.
Shooting from the hip in this game with the assault rifle is basically perfect imo. It requires A LOT of skill to get a bead on someone ... just for shits and giggles, I threw in COD 4 right after playing KZ 2 online and I could not BELIEVE how simple it was to get a kill by shooting from the hip - there is like no gun feedback at all ... i probably did have steady aim on but shit ... it's ridiculous
KZObsessed
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I hope when the embargo lifts, someone will do a video detailing the hit response system. Just a video showing Helghast after Helghast getting riddled with bullets. *Hint TTP hint* 
The first level of the game which they've been showing off, although it's a great first level, doesn't really show off the system as much as the E3 07 level as most of the kills are done from a distance, there aren't as many "up close and personal" moments with the enemies.
It's best shown here at 1:49 when the Helghast drops to his knees, keeps getting riddled with bullets from two directions and reacts to them all with "Hollywood Realism".
Or in this gif where the Helghast drops to his knees in what is clearly a motion captured animation yet he still reacts when you see one bullet ping off his helmet and snap is neck back as he collapses. It's this animation blending system which makes Killzone 2's core gameplay (the gunplay) look much more fun than any other shooter out there. I know it must be expensive but I hope it becomes standard in shooters rather than just using rag doll.
Hopefully we'll get a few great examples from the upcoming footage so we can see if it's improved anymore since the first showing.
The first level of the game which they've been showing off, although it's a great first level, doesn't really show off the system as much as the E3 07 level as most of the kills are done from a distance, there aren't as many "up close and personal" moments with the enemies.
It's best shown here at 1:49 when the Helghast drops to his knees, keeps getting riddled with bullets from two directions and reacts to them all with "Hollywood Realism".
Or in this gif where the Helghast drops to his knees in what is clearly a motion captured animation yet he still reacts when you see one bullet ping off his helmet and snap is neck back as he collapses. It's this animation blending system which makes Killzone 2's core gameplay (the gunplay) look much more fun than any other shooter out there. I know it must be expensive but I hope it becomes standard in shooters rather than just using rag doll.
Hopefully we'll get a few great examples from the upcoming footage so we can see if it's improved anymore since the first showing.
Rapping Granny
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How many turrets can the Engineer make?
SolidSnakex
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GAZERK said:
The medic is a lot of fun if you enjoy getting tons of points each round.
Littleberu
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FFObsessed said:I hope when the embargo lifts, someone will do a video detailing the hit response system. Just a video showing Helghast after Helghast getting riddled with bullets. *Hint TTP hint*
The first level of the game which they've been showing off, although it's a great first level, doesn't really show off the system as much as the E3 07 level as most of the kills are done from a distance, there aren't as many "up close and personal" moments with the enemies.
It's best shown here at 1:49 when the Helghast drops to his knees, keeps getting riddled with bullets from two directions and reacts to them all with "Hollywood Realism".
Or in this gif where the Helghast drops to his knees in what is clearly a motion captured animation yet he still reacts when you see one bullet ping off his helmet and snap is neck back as he collapses. It's this animation blending system which makes Killzone 2's core gameplay (the gunplay) look much more fun than any other shooter out there. I know it must be expensive but I hope it becomes standard in shooters rather than just using rag doll.
Hopefully we'll get a few great examples from the upcoming footage so we can see if it's improved anymore since the first showing.
You act as if it was a new thing to FPS. FEAR and No One Lives Forever also used a similar system (if a bit less advanced due to the lack of physics), and Half-Life 2 Episode 2 contains a system close to the one used in Killzone 2.
KZObsessed
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Littleberu said:
I'm not just talking about enemies reacting to bullets, I'm talking about their system of blending motion capture animations with physics impulses. F.E.A.R. is practically all rag doll and Half Life 2's animations aren't close to the level of Killzone 2. I'm not acting like it's a brand new thing, I'm just saying it's awesome!
MvmntInGrn
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DunpealD said:
I'd like to know this too. Though I expect the rockets are just too fast judging by the video.
the_prime_mover
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Kittonwy said:
Yeah, the medic is like another squad leader in that they can constantly keep the front lines active. And with this game it is important to never underestimate the secondary badge system. I have been loving both the combat and demo medics a lot (great way to get in and out of tight spots while keeping your team fresh, and a great way to protect your back while focusing on the forward push). Unfortunately I probably won't get to try out the recon medic during the beta.
Rapping Granny
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IS sniping as easy as COD4?
KZObsessed
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DunpealD said:
Rocket yes, with the standard rifle. Complete fluke
morlock said:
Awesome. Could be an interesting strategy against "rocket snipers".FFObsessed said:Rocket yes, with the standard rifle. Complete fluke
Maybe they should include an "anti rocket" mode to the sentry guns:lol
Aside from that. I read in this thread that grenade launchers are pretty "useless". Anyone tried using it in narrow places such as small rooms and corridors? Might help to clear those kind of areas and secure a passageway.
KZObsessed
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k79 said:
Perfect! :lol
+ I sniped someone there.
KZObsessed
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Zen said:
He's cloaked.
KZObsessed
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tiddles said:Grenade launchers will be a little more effective in the final game...
Good to play against GAFfers last week, by the way (PSN - MildPeril) - some people are getting scarily good!
Have I sniped you?
Haven't been able to play for a bit and jumped on just now to get my feet wet again. God, do I fucking suck today (not that I was Mr. Awesome before). Feels like I'm running around with my head up my ass 
Days like today make me happy that beta tester's skills, etc will not be carried over to the retail game. I'm already at a big enough disadvantage.
Days like today make me happy that beta tester's skills, etc will not be carried over to the retail game. I'm already at a big enough disadvantage.
Rapping Granny
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tiddles said:Grenade launchers will be a little more effective in the final game...
I am guessing you're a dev and my question is, why does the beta keep on getting extended every week? is Sony gonna open it?
With rare exceptions, it's not a matter of talent but a matter of budget. Name a Japanese game besides MGS4 that had 3ish years and 40+ million behind it. I just can't think of one. Their market is different...the fact they are blowing ass should be blamed on Japanese people!
Teetris said:
I just want a few questions answered. =/
1. How many turrets can be built at once? (ie: can we spam turrets on a map)
2. Are turrets fragile? Can they be repaired?
3. Is button remapping in the final game?
All these pics are nice and all, but I just want to know more of the intricacies.
Y2Kev said:
A lot of Japanese developers seem to be behind in terms of using shaders, I doubt you can give Media Vision a $20 million budget and expect to see the same visual quality as a game like UNCHARTED!!!111!!!
I DO think it's a matter of talent in terms of having a great team of technical artists, and Guerilla Games obviously has that going for them.
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