KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW

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proposition said:
But Killzone 2 doesn't have anything like the same texture resolution as Gears 2. Ergo, Gears 2 looks better.
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I could make a single bitmap image of a 100 megabyte texture of tree bark and wrap it around a square box.

This would probably look super realistic except for the fact that geometry detail is missing. It would still be a box just a nicely textured box.
 
Oh fuck has that tournament started? I mis read and thought it was 2moro. Fuck

Actually I couldn't have stayed up late enough for it anyway.
 
jett said:
Does anyone wanna try to get the Magnum with me? :P
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Ok ,lets try
First share the BETA with me then .... :lol
 
proposition said:
But Killzone 2 doesn't have anything like the same texture resolution as Gears 2. Ergo, Gears 2 looks better.
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WTF do you know about texture resolution of Killzone 2 compared to Gears. Killzone 2 MP has fucking great textures.
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MickeyKnox said:
Do you have uncircumcised penises hanging out of where your eyes should be?

Because Gears 2 may not be a great looking game but it's at least a good looking game. While R2 has all the visual trappings of the kind of viscous sludge you'd find stuck in the skin hood of an uncircumcised, unwashed, post coital penis.
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visual trappings of an unwashed, post coital penis...
your unflinching hate for Resistance 2 has all the workings of an acid poem in the making.
 
Kittonwy said:
WTF do you know about texture resolution of Killzone 2 compared to Gears. Killzone 2 MP has fucking great textures.
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So, how is the ligthing and shadowing in K2 ?
 
proposition said:
But Killzone 2 doesn't have anything like the same texture resolution as Gears 2. Ergo, Gears 2 looks better.
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GOW2 doesn't look better than Killzone 2,i don't know about the textures but from what i have see as of now is not that way,and when the topic is lighting animation Killzone 2 is just in a different league.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Yup cant imagine what the next one will look like.
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Secret PS3 Game ?

Oh, and all the tech of K2 is owned by SONY, so it will be used on other titles.
 
H_Prestige said:
Do we know if KZ2 is using all 6 SPUs? What if what we're seeing right now isn't even the full extent of the CELL/RSX capabilities.
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4. Unless they"ve changed that since '07

edit : lol I'm late
 
proposition said:
Well then by that metric, Gears 2 has fucking awesome magical brilliant textures.
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Having played Gears 2 SP and the KZ2 beta, Gears 2 doesn't have fucking awesome magical brilliant textures, it's just a case of a very cohesive art direction, the texture resolution in Gears 2 was far from mind-blowing, Killzone 2 textures might be slightly better, neither reaches the UNCHARTED!!!111!!!
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Technically the Killzone 2 engine running MP is simply pulling off more than Gears 2 single player, that's all.
 
proposition said:
Well then by that metric, Gears 2 has fucking awesome magical brilliant textures.
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Im gonna be killed right now, BUT i think that Gears 2 have higher resolution texture....
The draw distance is shorter tough, and the lighting in K2 is beyond of anything else.
You would be surprised how much a low res texture can look with a couple of shaders and post effects :D

K2 has the best art direction (And tech to give live that art vision) i ever saw.
Anyway , its a K2 thread !!!! Dont talk about Gears2 or R2 !!! :P
 
Kittonwy said:
Having played Gears 2 SP and the KZ2 beta, Gears 2 doesn't have fucking awesome magical brilliant textures, it's just a case of a very cohesive art direction, the texture resolution in Gears 2 was far from mind-blowing, Killzone 2 textures might be slightly better, neither reaches the UNCHARTED!!!111!!!
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A texture doesnt need to be high resolution to look good, detail mapping ,HDR and bum mapping can do the trick too.
Uncharted has the best HDR ever !!!111! Sorry Halo 3 you tried but Uncharted taked the price.
We need more of these :
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/249159.html
 
Fersis said:
Im gonna be killed right now, BUT i think that Gears 2 have higher resolution texture....
The draw distance is shorter tough, and the lighting in K2 is beyond of anything else.
You would be surprised how much a low res texture can look with a couple of shaders and post effects :D

K2 has the best art direction (And tech to give live that art vision) i ever saw.
Anyway , its a K2 thread !!!! Dont talk about Gears2 or R2 !!! :P
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Have you played Gears 2? Because it doesn't have higher res textures.
 
Nafai1123 said:
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really?
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What´s awesome is that in one of those leaked videos, a guy shoots someone dying on the ground, and as the rocks on the ground are lit by the shot fired, you can see a shitload of details on it... I've only seen this stuff in Crysis... EVERY OTHER SINGLE game has flat textures on the ground until now. Well I'm not sure how to explain that. I'll try to look for that scene and then gifify it... what software should I use?
 
-COOLIO- said:
why dont they use other 2? *has no clue how SPUs work*
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They probably are using it ,but they are cooler if they dont say it :lol

Hey guys when you talk about hig res texture what do you mean ? like Bith Depth or texture size ?
 
EnthusiasTech said:
Why 4 SPUs ? Why not more ?..
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Maybe because they're programming in a very smart-like manner.
No point in using all SPU's if it's not optimized. You'd probably get worse performance than if you had programmed carefully in the 1st place.

Or it could be that a year ago, that they were only using 4 SPU's at the time.

Fersis said:
They probably are using it ,but they are cooler if they dont say it :lol

Hey guys when you talk about hig res texture what do you mean ? like Bith Depth or texture size ?
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If it looks blurry or not.
How sharp it is.

That's how gaf measures texture resolution.
 
EnthusiasTech said:
Why 4 SPUs ? Why not more ?..
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They probably had to lock down the tech for the game at some point, it's not like they can keep making changes to the engine during the entire development cycle.
 
Maybe other spare SPUs are for audio, I don't see any part on PDF or it might be referred as 'game' in the list.

Also 4 + PPE might easy to tweak-able for future games.
 
About the SPU's: because it's already difficult to use all of them, since it requires a VERY high level of knowledge in the Cell processor technology; and it is even MORE difficult to put all of them to work in order, to separate processes and other stuff among these 8 'cores', which are very distinct 'cores' and are made to run some kinds of processes specifically. So if you need to run something different than what they're made for, you need to recompile the code and optimize it to hell until it runs well on it.

Yeah it's a friggin difficult thing.
 
I assume that theyre optimizing the hell of it. or as iceatcs says Audio processing.
And having other SPU doing a half assed job is no good at all.
Or they maybe use it only for streaming and such.
Remember guys CELL have 8 SPUs 1 disabled and 1 reserved for the OS (Every game runs in a 'sandbox').

Well i was watching a couple of K2 videos, yeah im pretty much amazed by how smooth things run and how much stuff there is in screen. (Best dust and smoke ever)
 
Insane Metal said:
What´s awesome is that in one of those leaked videos, a guy shoots someone dying on the ground, and as the rocks on the ground are lit by the shot fired, you can see a shitload of details on it... I've only seen this stuff in Crysis... EVERY OTHER SINGLE game has flat textures on the ground until now. Well I'm not sure how to explain that. I'll try to look for that scene and then gifify it... what software should I use?
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This
 
mr_nothin said:
Maybe because they're programming in a very smart-like manner.
No point in using all SPU's if it's not optimized. You'd probably get worse performance than if you had programmed carefully in the 1st place.

Or it could be that a year ago, that they were only using 4 SPU's at the time.


If it looks blurry or not.
How sharp it is.

That's how gaf measures texture resolution.
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Ok,but the 'blurryness' :D is not the texture 'fault' .
Rest assured that i can make a huge 1024x1024 texture look blurry.
You can make a texture look sharp with detail mapping or HDR. (Or other ways)
 
Fersis said:
Ok,but the 'blurryness' :D is not the texture 'fault' .
Rest assured that i can make a huge 1024x1024 texture look blurry.
You can make a texture look sharp with detail mapping or HDR. (Or other ways)
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I think 'Blurryness' you got confused, it is not visual blur I think you mean aka low resolution in-game on upscaling to high resolution screen.

High/Low resolution texture example:
Low - High
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iceatcs said:
I think 'Blurryness' you got confused, it is not visual blur I think you mean aka low resolution in-game on upscaling to high resolution screen.

High/Low resolution texture example:
Low - High
sTextureLow.jpg
sTextureHigh.jpg
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Blurry vs Sharp

That's how gaf measures it, for the most part.

But Anisotropic Filtering also comes into play here.
 
Insane Metal said:
What´s awesome is that in one of those leaked videos, a guy shoots someone dying on the ground, and as the rocks on the ground are lit by the shot fired, you can see a shitload of details on it... I've only seen this stuff in Crysis... EVERY OTHER SINGLE game has flat textures on the ground until now. Well I'm not sure how to explain that. I'll try to look for that scene and then gifify it... what software should I use?
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parallax occlusion mapping? or is it deferred terrain ambient occlusion?
 
Nikorasu said:
parallax occlusion mapping? or is it deferred terrain ambient occlusion?
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Sometimes it seems like parallax mapping. Especially when the gunfire hits the ground.
I dont think it is though...it sure looks like it though.
 
Nikorasu said:
parallax occlusion mapping? or is it deferred terrain ambient occlusion?
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That's what I mean, I have no idea what it is, but it's quite good. The result is pretty convincing. I'm making a gif of this moment right now.


The only game I saw using this in a good manner until now is Crysis.
 
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