i'd say it's more desperation for any good female characters out of XVerse
There's still hope:
i'd say it's more desperation for any good female characters out of XVerse
Well I just finished it. I have a lot of thoughts I'll put together in a bit but overall I think I enjoyed Advent Children a lot more.
I find it troubling the only females in the movie were just plot motivations for the men.
I am hoping the game isn't that bad with this.
Excuse me? How else would you interpret it? That she oversold the ring to that guy for no reason and then lucked out when he decided to try it on for no reason? Am I out of touch or is it the kids who are wrong?
The party scene... is actually really upsetting.
PSY・S;215473026 said:It's going to be just as bad.
My biggest disappointment was the music. After having trailers with striking music from both Versus XIII & XV, the movie's soundtrack disappoints hugely. It didn't support or elevate the on-screen happenings at all. I feel like a great OST could've brought a bit more excitement & emotion to the movie. There's exactly one good (non-Shimomura) track in this movie.
Oh well, I can at least skip buying the Kingsglaive OST.
I imagine that is something we'll discover in the game and maybe foreshadowed by Luna's whole "he'll save the WORLD" line in the movieThis movie kind of makes me dislike the characters in the FFXV game. What makes that kid worth all of that destruction and sacrifice? The trailers for FFXV makes it seems like he's on some fun buddy road trip, and he seems like a brat vs someone like Lady Mormont from GoT. Now that girl I could understand people sacrificing so much for. Didn't take long after her introduction to see how noble and honorable she was.
Advent Children is a perfectly executed example of unabashedly shameless fan service. One could say the music alone makes it all work.
They knew what they were doing. AC is just a bunch of independent sequences intended to tingle your nostalgic senses, stringed together by the most basic of narratives, just enough to justify being a full-length movie. It's nothing more, and it doesn't need to be anything else. It's made for FF7 fans and for nobody else.
I don't know for whom is Kingsglaive made for.
More Game of Thrones influence is exactly what we need in this universe.
Boom. If GOT was an influence, then they completely missed the point of what makes GOT so compelling to watch, but then again you could say that about a lot of the film itself.Unfortunately, all they borrowed was actors.
I had no idea what the fuck was going on in this movie. Visuals were nice though.
I think I missed why. Can someone explain?there was suddenly a big Gundam Yojimbo at the end
So Lunas ended up being weak in the movie? I will laugh if that leviathan scene in the trailers is the only thing that will show Lunas as a strong character and it's not even a minute long.
Anyways I can't wait to watch the movie and see the party scene Kagari is talking about.
There being discontent towards Regis inside Insomnia's walls is something that was already a part of the original VsXIII scenario. People haven't been happy with the way he was doing thingsAs much as I hated this movie, I still liked it more than Advent Children. I agree with you completely though. Why does this movie even exist? Luna, the one character that we know will have a big presence in FFXV is a non-factor here. Her character doesn't get expanded or developed at all.Nyx still has proper motivation to do everything he did in the film, Luna or no Luna.She just gets kidnapped multiple times, holds plot macguffins, and gives exposition. You could actually write her out of the entire movie with little effort.
What's the point of giving that one Kingsglaive member a redemption arc? It just wastes time and adds nothing to the film. Why does the existence of a resistance movement even matter at all? It muddles the film because he betrays the Kingsglaive, but separately from the other members who also betray the Kingsglaive but for a different reason.
This is a poor, half-hearted attempt to bring the uninitiated into the world of FFXV and a bit of a pointless effort if it's supposed to expand things for fans. They could have saved time and money and just done a Kingsglaive miniseries and put it up on YouTube. Brotherhood seems like a more logical expansion of FFXV.
maybe if there were other women in FFXV. but when 90% of the cast is male and the only lead woman is "mentally strong" while the men are mentally AND physically strong it should raise eyebrows.This is so blown out of proportion.
Luna is NOT a warrior woman. So no, she's not "strong" like Lightning from XIII, or like Stella from vXIII (at least how people conceived her).
But she's obviously spiritually/mentally strong, in that her life has pretty much gone to shit, and she stays dedicated to a large, overarching cause, no matter the difficulty/cost.
The movie isn't super well written, so no character comes off fantastically well. But w/in the confines of what they're doing, there's nothing "weak" about Luna, except in that she's literally physically weak, not a melee fighter.
maybe if there were other women in FFXV. but when 90% of the cast is male and the only lead woman is "mentally strong" while the men are mentally AND physically strong it should raise eyebrows.
The thing is for all of their bragging about how much of a strong female character she is it turns out she's a damsel in distress who spouts exposition, (if I hear the words strong willed to describe a tropey damsel in distress female character from a Japanese RPG one more goddamn time...), there's very little actual character there. It seems her entire character was written solely around Noctis and nothing else. We have an entire movie where she's a major character and the most human thing we've seen from her so far is this:This is so blown out of proportion.
Luna is NOT a warrior woman. So no, she's not "strong" like Lightning from XIII, or like Stella from vXIII (at least how people conceived her).
But she's obviously spiritually/mentally strong, in that her life has pretty much gone to shit, and she stays dedicated to a large, overarching cause, no matter the difficulty/cost.
The movie isn't super well written, so no character comes off fantastically well. But w/in the confines of what they're doing, there's nothing "weak" about Luna, except in that she's literally physically weak, not a melee fighter.
such as?There... are.
maybe if there were other women in FFXV. but when 90% of the cast is male and the only lead woman is "mentally strong" while the men are mentally AND physically strong it should raise eyebrows.
I wouldn't call all that many men in this movie "mentally strong." They freak out pretty badly for what is going to happen in the story & then act like little bitches.maybe if there were other women in FFXV. but when 90% of the cast is male and the only lead woman is "mentally strong" while the men are mentally AND physically strong it should raise eyebrows.
such as?
there's gladios little sister who you seem to go on some kind of date with (lol), crowe who, dragoon lady who has a nice boob window on her outfit because... :? and has a POLE DANCE in her animations and then luna's handmaiden, who i guess we haven't seen much of yet so could maybe be good.dies
such as?
there's gladios little sister who you seem to go on some kind of date with (lol), crowe who, dragoon lady who has a nice boob window on her outfit because... :? and has a POLE DANCE in her animations and then luna's handmaiden, who i guess we haven't seen much of yet so could maybe be good.dies
Even as an advertisement for a game, a film should be able to stand on it's own as a genuinely enjoyable experience. What about this film warrants a 9/10? We got the whole shebang of what makes a poor movie aside from the visuals. Which hurt the film more than anything since there's very little reason for this movie to be animated, (besides animators having a circlejerk about how nice CGI can look while unironically presenting a perfect example of the uncanny valley) and ofc, the incredibly prevalent uncanny valley due to incredibly poor use of ADR/sound mixing.Taking another look, I think people calling Lunaa damsel in distress is not fair.
From the movie alone: As a child, she sacrifices herself so Regis and Noctis can escape. She tries to leave Tenebrae before the wedding to see Regis. She makes Nyx take her back to the city to rescue Regis instead of going to safety. She risks her life to keep the ring safe.
From the game: We know she is now risking her life going around waking up the Archaeons (well...supposedly). In the Dawn video, she had no qualms about brushing off the Niflheim soldiers. In the new trailer, she's going toe-to-toe with Leviathan.
Now, I think the game will make it clearer what her role of the Oracle means and clearly the Empire does not value that power as they were quick to order her death.
I think this movie will be more enjoyable when the game comes out and we learn more of the world. Still a 9/10 for me as a FF fan though.
edit: What Yankee said.
This is so blown out of proportion.
Luna is NOT a warrior woman. So no, she's not "strong" like Lightning from XIII, or like Stella from vXIII (at least how people conceived her).
But she's obviously spiritually/mentally strong, in that her life has pretty much gone to shit, and she stays dedicated to a large, overarching cause, no matter the difficulty/cost.
The movie isn't super well written, so no character comes off fantastically well. But w/in the confines of what they're doing, there's nothing "weak" about Luna, except in that she's literally physically weak, not a melee fighter.
Taking another look, I think people calling Lunaa damsel in distress is not fair.
From the movie alone: As a child, she sacrifices herself so Regis and Noctis can escape. She tries to leave Tenebrae before the wedding to see Regis. She makes Nyx take her back to the city to rescue Regis instead of going to safety. She risks her life to keep the ring safe.
From the game: We know she is now risking her life going around waking up the Archaeons (well...supposedly). In the Dawn video, she had no qualms about brushing off the Niflheim soldiers. In the new trailer, she's going toe-to-toe with Leviathan.
Now, I think the game will make it clearer what her role of the Oracle means and clearly the Empire does not value that power as they were quick to order her death.
I think this movie will be more enjoyable when the game comes out and we learn more of the world. Still a 9/10 for me as a FF fan though.
edit: What Yankee said.
Even as an advertisement for a game, a film should be able to stand on it's own as a genuinely enjoyable experience. What about this film warrants a 9/10? We got the whole shebang of what makes a poor movie aside from the visuals. Which hurt the film more than anything since there's very little reason for this movie to be animated, (besides animators having a circlejerk about how nice CGI can look while unironically presenting a perfect example of the uncanny valley) and ofc, the incredibly prevalent uncanny valley due to incredibly poor use of ADR/sound mixing.
(Speculation based on Kingsglaive concept art)
I think that Nyx's soul might turn into this lion thing and make an appearance in the game. Tabata said that Nyx won't appear directly in the game but that he will be present in some way.
Notice how the horns match the crown Regis wears in this movie. I think this might be a creature that has something to do with the Lucii, if not an actual Astral.
The film doesn't even have a lot of lore, stuff just happens in a disjointed sequence of events that for a lot of the film, have very little to do with each other. As this post smartly pointed out, the why behind a shit ton of events in the film are not explained very well if at all. And even when it does have lore, it's not expanded on very well, abandoned entirely, or straight up doesn't fit in context.Well, I am sucker for lore and the movie scratched my itch. I actually liked Nyx quite a lot and his story was interesting. Plus the movie has some pretty tense moments and twists I certainly didn't see coming. The graphics alone though...wowzers. All the FF nods worked for me too. It's just a subjective 9/10: its a decent movie but I felt it was a great ride for this FFXV fan.
edit: Also Yankee, Tabata has actually called out the Stella 'fanatics' before as having this unrealistic characterization of who she really was. She never was defined.
'The movie actually failed to make me invested into literally every single character.
The huge problem is that we're never told what anybody's endgame in this movie is.I'm so confused.What are the empire's goals and what are Ardyn and Iedolas being all smug about all the time? If they just want world dominion, they got it and there was no reason to burn Insomnia to the ground in the process. If they wanted the crystal, it's much the same. Why do they want the crystal? We don't know and we're not told. It seems like without Regis, Insomnia can't stand even a leg against the Empire, so once Regis was killed they should've just walked in and claimed it as their own. But for that matter, if all they wanted was the ring and the dead king, why didn't they just have Glauca murder Regis before? He could do it, with that amazing armor of his, because even Nyx with the power of the ring could barely make a dent in him. For that matter, what's Glauca's armor, where does it come from and why is there only one of it if it's so good? What was Ardyn's contingency plan to deal with the Diamond Weapons if KOTR didn't appear and mess them up? It seemed from the opening scene that Empire itself could barely control those things. Regis just kind of comes off as a goofy old doofus, because... well, what was his long-term game? Just stand behind the wall? They were clearly cornered and a dignified surrender would've probably worked out for them much better. Or he could've just have Noctis take over supporting the wall after him, but he didn't want to do that because why exactly? We're told there's some destiny for him to fulfill, and then that Luna has some kind of destiny to fulfill but we're never told what it is and what the stakes are for all those people. So when Luna says she's ready to die for something we don't know she just looks stupid. But it runs in the family, because Ravus is even stupider than Luna! He's literally working for his mother's murderer while blaming Regis for the assault that he saw Empire commit. Luna even points it out to him and he just shrugs and walks away. In the same scene she doesn't seem very enthusiastic about getting wed to Noctis, but wait, the whole wedding business was a sham, wasn't it? It was a fake term of a fake surrender, so why do they continue to pretend like they're going to have some wedding with the two after that? For that matter, why was this particular point important for the fake surrender agreement? Did they just want Luna in the city? But wait, there's more. Glauca sends Crowe to deliver the hairpin with the tracking device, and then kills her en route. What was the point of that? But wait, there's more. The movie seems to imply that there's poverty and desolation outside in Lucis, but when we see the region in the game, there's bustling towns with trade, communication and entertainment. Are Nifelheim even the bad guys in this?
Nyx himself was just an action hero. Okay, but shallow.
Hey guys, am I crazy?
Although long-in-development RPG Final Fantasy XV features an all-male party, game director Hajime Tabata says the title will feature a range of female characters who will play a deeper role than "just love interests" for the main cast.
"There are quite a lot of female characters the guys will meet along the road they take and they really enhance the story, and perform a lot of different roles in the story," Tabata said in an interview with The Examiner. "Not just as love interests but other ways as the story progresses."
Tabata didn't shed any further light on what role Final Fantasy XV's female characters will play or what effect their involvement will have on how the game plays out.
Also in the interview, Tabata confirmed that players can expect to encounter mighty female foes. "There will be a number of powerful female characters on the enemy side as well," he said.
PSY・S;215479812 said:
The film doesn't even have a lot of lore, stuff just happens in a disjointed sequence of events that for a lot of the film, have very little to do with each other. As this post smartly pointed out, the why behind a shit ton of events in the film are not explained very well if at all. And even when it does have lore, it's not expanded on very well, abandoned entirely, or straight up doesn't fit in context.
There's still hope:
PSY・S;215479812 said:
How was the portrayal of women in Type-0 and Dissidia? As in, if you're not someone who watches anime regularly, how are they portrayed, because holy shit I have so little hope based on this film and the interviews.Heh, just saw this in the same interview:
One female character in Final Fantasy XV who has generated a bit of buzz is Cindy. During a presentation in April 2015, Tabata responded to a complaint that Cindy (above) was "too sexy."
"She's actually not meant to be an erotic character," Tabata explained. "Her character is very energetic and outgoing, a very active character. With those traits paired with her appearance, we feel it wouldn't be too problematic even if, say, she shows up on screen while your parents are in the living room."
Some people voiced concerns about Cindy's appearance, saying she's showing too much skin for someone whose line of work is fixing cars. Tabata doesn't plan to change her appearance, however.
"She is a very cheerful and active character, I don't think we want to change the current concept," he said.