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Knives Out: Glass Onion |OT|
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Werewolf Jones
Member
So is Daniel Craig a top or bottom in this? That will dictate whether I watch this film.
cormack12
Gold Member
He's a power bottom
Jennings
Member
Craig and Norton are the only two people that excite me in this entry, whereas the last movie had a bunch of interesting folks. I'm sure the writing will be good, and perhaps the performances from the also-rans will win me over. I hope this one lives up to the first. I'm expecting to sub to Netflix for a month some time next fall, so I'll check it out then.
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cormack12
Gold Member
Have you seen Crooksd House? The Agatha Christie adaptation?
If you liked Knives Out you might like that and also find it a bit familiar.
Kenpachii
Member
Alcibiades
Member
Saw it in theaters a few weeks ago. Enjoyed it quite a bit. Lives up to the first movie in quality. The cast is generally funny and I didn't see many of the twists coming.
It's crazy how much better these movies are than The Last Jedi. I want to root against Rian Johnson for that travesty but the guy is a solid moviemaker.
It's crazy how much better these movies are than The Last Jedi. I want to root against Rian Johnson for that travesty but the guy is a solid moviemaker.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Still need to watch the first one.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
He also directed and wrote the most excellent Looper and his debut Brick is a great movie as well.
Honestly, nothing I saw in TLJ felt like the Ryan Johnson from his other movies. Maybe it got to his head, maybe studio involvement, maybe lucasfilm producers meddling...
SJRB
Gold Member
The sexual orientation of a movie character is very important to me, okay?
I can't enjoy a movie unless I know if a character wants to fuck guys or ladies. Or both of course. Preferably by making several ham-fisted comments about it.
FunkMiller
Member
Yep, pretty decent. Very funny, well written and well performed. The denouement was
… but then that was the whole point, I guess.
missing a clever twist
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Was ok. I dont like the exaggeration of the events and characters and all that. The first had the perfect mood, but this one was just...all over the place and ofc this being a netflix show it was pretty obvious about who did what.
Unknown Soldier
Member
They gave him a genre picture and that's his worst possible scenario. He tried to take a genre picture and make TLJ into something it could never be and it was awful.
When you just let Rian Johnson make his own movies it's fine. Even all the wokeshit he inserts into everything is seamless, like literally no one had any issue with the 'Noble Immigrant vs Racist Rich White Family' narrative in Knives Out because it was an integral part of the story and made sense objectively even outside of wokeness.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
We watching this tonight.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I JUST watched it. Haven't seen the first one but I was pleasantly surprised by this!
Jessica Henwick and Janelle Monae were delights! Pretty, to boot!
Jessica Henwick and Janelle Monae were delights! Pretty, to boot!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
What's an immediate turnoff?
GeekyDad
Member
That poster image.
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Resident Cheap Arse
This was disappointing.
Really enjoyed Knives out but Glass Onion was very poor in comparison. Whereas Knives Out felt fairly grounded, this was more akin to a Bond movie with it's OTT setting and silly science. The cast weren't particularily interesting or compelling and Janelle Monae's character ended up feeling like a poor stand in for Ana de Armas' character in the first, filling in the exact same innocent out-of-her-depth character type.
And the end... what a mess. The last 20-30 minutes threw the mystery element of the film out the window and resorted to unbelievable and implausible reductive character behaviour and a damned macguffin.
A real shame. I wanted to like this one but come the end it felt like a cash in on the first and little more.
Really enjoyed Knives out but Glass Onion was very poor in comparison. Whereas Knives Out felt fairly grounded, this was more akin to a Bond movie with it's OTT setting and silly science. The cast weren't particularily interesting or compelling and Janelle Monae's character ended up feeling like a poor stand in for Ana de Armas' character in the first, filling in the exact same innocent out-of-her-depth character type.
And the end... what a mess. The last 20-30 minutes threw the mystery element of the film out the window and resorted to unbelievable and implausible reductive character behaviour and a damned macguffin.
A real shame. I wanted to like this one but come the end it felt like a cash in on the first and little more.
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FunkMiller
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They were trying to go for the whole subversion of expectations thing again. Johnson seems fucking obsessed with it. So, instead of having the
detective do the classic reveal and capture, they went with the whole napkin burning, destroy the building thing, which really didn't suit the kind of movie it's meant to be.
Johnson needs to get the fuck over his insecurities, and he'll be a very good film maker.
Revolutionary
Member
Tried watching it and I tapped out within 15 minutes.
dr_octagon
Banned
Is this CSI KFC 
sequel?
sequel?I never saw Knives Out but this wasn’t much of a mystery film.
Janelle Monae and Daniel Craig were great and carried the film, but the writing for the overall plot was poor. I’d say this is more of a comedy and enjoyable as a comedy but a forgettable and predictable murder mystery.
Janelle Monae and Daniel Craig were great and carried the film, but the writing for the overall plot was poor. I’d say this is more of a comedy and enjoyable as a comedy but a forgettable and predictable murder mystery.
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Trilobit
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Knives Out was surprisingly enjoyable and a very good mystery film. I've even watched it twice and still enjoyed the rewatch. What I've heard so far of Glass Onion reaffirmed my suspections that something that good couldn't be duplicated this soon.
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fran.fernandez
Member
Put it for 10 minutes before sleep (papa life)
Got me in for at least one hour. Finish later today. Pretty good
Got me in for at least one hour. Finish later today. Pretty good
cormack12
Gold Member
Think I'm in this boat. Production values and everything really good but the first one was so much better (maybe because it was so derivative of crooked house) and this was more original but a lot less compelling overall.
I'd have to watch the first one again but Daniel Craig's character was not as cartoon like was he? None of it really landed with me except the Renner sauce and 'shit balls' line. Bizarrely enough I wasn't really sure you were meant to pick up on the terrible and wrong phrasings. Like 'Ionian' etc. I know the cast in general were like over the top (except possibly Helen) but because we'd already spent time with Daniel in the first one he felt like a different character to me? Of course it may just be the tone of the first one just made me overlook a lot of this or misremember it (cba rewatching).
The cast was actually OK but they were window dressing really rather than feeling fleshed out. Maybe it was intentional, but I kind of don't remember much of any of them except Helen, and Duke (only because he was such a poor character). The sweatshop line was actually quite decent for Kate Hudson as well to be fair.
The first fake out with Mile's wasn't convincing so I felt I was just waiting to see how it circled back to Miles again.
Also did I miss something on the relevancy of the lighter and napkin? I didn't think he was that close to suddenly torch it while Helen neatly held it. The close up of the lighter made me think I've missed something about it earlier but can't think what.
Lastly, I don't think the ending is that plausible. Like Miles and Benoit said there was no case and no evidence left (before the klear incident). I'm also not sure that the optics of a billionaire blowing up his own island in the pursuit of clean energy is a gotcha. Klear wouldn't be abandoned just because of that, Lionel was already working to run trials anyway. The benefits are just world changing. True, it wouldn't be on the mass market when he wanted but that felt just like a power play anyway.
The Mona Lisa thing just felt like something cool in a YA novel to tie it back to some profound meta the story wanted to have. I could equally see the outcome being the cost to humanity was a humanity and an accepted cost?
I get the metaphor he was going for, like the painting is there in the background but always present and revered (via the noise cue). It's something that the world knows and wants to touch but is there for the guests enjoyment only. The double expression meaning (sfumato probably being Klear) and when it burns it's meant to equal Miles' career, image and reputation - but it just falls a bit flat for me.
Nevertheless it was reasonably enjoyable. Could have been a bit better with 10 mins or so editing down. Death on the Nile was not as good as Orient Express in my opinion and the gap between this and the first film is bigger. However, I was entertained and it was overall well shot/made. I think a 7/10 is a decent enough ballpark for it.
Well said. A lot of which I agree with.
I found most of the characters to be rather obnoxious tbh. I suppose that was possibly intentional in an attempt to antagonize them for betraying And.
Even so, they still came off as paper-thin tropes as well. Blanc did seem to be more exaggerated in this one, then again the entire thing felt a lot more excessive and flashy compared to the setting in Knives Out.
Although it was really well shot with nice cinematography.
The editing, however, I was less impressed with. Being a murder mystery film, the editing would have to be very thoughtful to lay out visual and audible clues for the audience to piece together and reach conclusions for themselves.
To your point about the napkin shot, I've found some cuts were straight-up dishonest at times since they used entirely different takes during Blanc's monologue when confronting Miles. Came off as cheap imo.
I thought the Miles stuff was going to be a red-herring, considering Ryan Johnson's whole M.O. is subverting expectations. Instead, I found myself disappointed by how straightforward and predictable it all was. That last act felt rushed and messy as well.
I've yet to watch Death on the Nile or Orient Express. I'm still in the mood for some murder mystery, so I'll give those a watch next.
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For me the Mona Lisa thing really made the entire film an eye-roll and fake. If you've ever seen the actual painting in the Louvre, you know it's prob half the size it was on the film. I don't get why they keep doing this in media and making it bigger than it really is, as most people now days know its actual size.
Plus the whole twin thing was lazy writing.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Knives Out was a brilliant whodunnit. Glass Onion... is like a failed character study under the guise of a mistery. And the twist(s) weakens the mistery: hiding information is cheating and fundamentally breaks the appeal of a whodunnit... the illusion that we're following along the investigation, instead Glass Onion plays more like a mystery box style narrative except it does not care to build expectation for the mysteries so the spectator doesn't really care much for them when they're revealed. IMHO
For people who are paying attention (which doesn't include me) - they literally lay out the mystery for you in the first half, with the second half entirely dedicated to reverse "peeling the onion" for the slow amongst us (which absolutely included me), no pun intended. KO:GO might not has as much urgency or menace as the first one (it is a much more slight story for sure), but it still is as carefully crafted as the original.
. . .the movie is essentially Johnson doing his version of CLUE and he's done a fantastic job if you ask me (which no one did).
sankt-Antonio
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Just seen it. Janelle Monae is a plank of wood. Craig overacted, don't remember him being this annoyingly extrovert in the first movie. Edward Norton stole the show. Also thought that hiding evidence/ story from the viewer was meh. The flashbacks felt cheap.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Craig's antics are part of the charm and it's exagerated on purpose, whodunnits have a tradition for hammy and overacting actors playing the detective.
They even namedrop CLUE in the movie.
But the thing is, as carefully crafted as it might be, a movie needs to make the spectator invest themselves into the story being told and, it is my opinion, where Glass Onion falls flat compared to the original.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Yep, saw this. Was on the same level as the original in total. Pretty good, although Blanc could have been given more powers of reduction. Felt too much as a passerby with somewhat clever questions.
Norton was ace though. I feel Edward is atbest in movies where the outcome isn't always clearly defined.
Norton was ace though. I feel Edward is atbest in movies where the outcome isn't always clearly defined.
LegendOfKage
Member
I noticed the lighter bit as well, and it bothered me from the second it happened. He was on the other side of the room a split second before! And if he would be walking forward quickly, you wouldn't just stand there!
The movie also wants you to accept that klear is horribly dangerous, but by the ending it has unintentionally proven that it's the safest form of energy that ever existed. An entire building filled with klear explodes, and everyone in that building is somehow perfectly fine. No burns, no broken bones. They don't even have temporary hearing loss!
For a moment, I literally thought the movie was ending with a character sacrificing herself so the people who killed her sister and ruined her life wouldn't get away with it. That would have been bad enough, but then for everyone in the room that just exploded to be fine?
It's a real shame, because I thought the movie was a lot of fun until that final act.
Huh? Ransom at the end of the first one literally says what everyone was likely thinking with the "Foghorn Leghorn" line; like, scenery chewing is exactly the point of this character.
I felt very invested after the mid-movie twist. The entirety of the second act is "How are these characters getting out of a situation we've seen go so badly!" And you still had the mystery of the attempt on Mile's life still hanging in the air and how this all tied in to the events from a new perspective (trying to sound vague for anyone accidentally browsing to this thread, though I've already seen someone post open spoilers).
. . .I feel like this movie had the exact same tricks as the first one, just utilized in different ways. Both movies use meta-context exceptionally well, with a conclusion that is wildly obvious once you get to it.
All the characters had "Narrative Kevlar." The implication is pretty clear that that stuff was dangerous and likely going to get someone killed.